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On 8/28/2024 at 8:14 AM, West said:

The appeal to authority fallacy is all too prevalent in society. We live in a time where experts are weaponized to strip away basic fundamental freedoms. 

She has more letters than Fauci, pal. Stop obsessing over the "climbing death toll, nyah nyah nyah" and just be thankful for her leadership.

Some people are so picky. 😉

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On 8/28/2024 at 12:13 PM, Moonbox said:

I think we should try to understand where some of the resentment against experts comes from, and also how they themselves are not always above politicizing issues. 

Doris Grinspun didn't just come out and say that safe injection sites save lives - an objective analysis she's qualified to offer.  She went political and came out swinging with an accusation that this was a death sentence (by Conservatives).  There's an implied maliciousness to the decision, with no acknowledgement or analysis of the costs or the repercussions these sites have on their communities (something she's probably not qualified to offer).  

It's definitely not helpful when you have dinks like Poilievre doing everything he can to undermine experts for cheap political points, but out-of-touch academics and biased/self-affirming public sector reps do a lot to undermine their own positions.  

You are right on point here. Thank you 

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On 8/28/2024 at 1:58 PM, CdnFox said:

What was that about coming out swinging with political statements?  :)

Anyway the doc did step into the political arena and got smaked by a politician.  I agree that any expert who offers a political statement is fair game regardless of 'side' they're on. 

These are the same 'experts' that demanded that the 'safe supply' idea was a good one, and that led to an abject disaster. 

Sorry  but experts give bad and wrong advice all the time. 

The issue with the safe injection sites from what I see, though I do not necessarily oppose some form of harm reduction from a health care policy perspective:

1. It erodes communities and the feeling of safety. 

-Attracts drug dealers to the area

-Puts people who are eradic on the street because you can't restrict their movement. 

2. It promotes illicit drug usage. 

3. It turns the cops into the bad guys

-They should still try to get the drugs off the streets and especially out of the schools. 

4. Takes able bodied people and makes them reliant on government assistance when they should be working to get people reliant on the fruits of their own labour. 

5. There's really no good second stage to harm reduction. People just become life long addicts at the expense of the tax payer. Should be focusing on how to get them off the drugs and contribute to society if they are able (I understand mental and physical disability prevents that somewhat but able bodied folks should be in the workforce). 

 

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1 minute ago, West said:

The issue with the safe injection sites from what I see, though I do not necessarily oppose some form of harm reduction from a health care policy perspective:

1. It erodes communities and the feeling of safety. 

-Attracts drug dealers to the area

-Puts people who are eradic on the street because you can't restrict their movement. 

2. It promotes illicit drug usage. 

3. It turns the cops into the bad guys

-They should still try to get the drugs off the streets and especially out of the schools. 

well at the end of the day for me it's quite simple, does it work or not?

Are there fewer deaths? Are there fewer addicts? Is there an increase in the number of addicts getting help and getting off drugs? I mean these are the reasons why we do this right?

And so far the answers have been no. You have to seriously cherry pick the data in order to give the impression that they're doing well, for the most part they are doing very badly.

So one does not need to be an expert in the slightest to see the results. They are easily measured and understood by a common person. And if the results are not there why are we continuing with a very expensive and clearly ineffective process that if anything seems to make the problems worse for the reasons you mentioned as well as giving a false sense of safety to the addicts who then don't feel compelled to seek treatment to change their ways.

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On 8/28/2024 at 11:13 AM, Moonbox said:

I think we should try to understand where some of the resentment against experts comes from, and also how they themselves are not always above politicizing issues. 

Doris Grinspun didn't just come out and say that safe injection sites save lives - an objective analysis she's qualified to offer.  She went political and came out swinging with an accusation that this was a death sentence (by Conservatives).  There's an implied maliciousness to the decision, with no acknowledgement or analysis of the costs or the repercussions these sites have on their communities (something she's probably not qualified to offer).  

It's definitely not helpful when you have dinks like Poilievre doing everything he can to undermine experts for cheap political points, but out-of-touch academics and biased/self-affirming public sector reps do a lot to undermine their own positions.  

What would you call it if more people will die due to a bad political decision?   Removing cancer clinics would be a death sentence to those with cancer.  Seems like a fair enough statement, no?  Why are you trying to police the tone?

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28 minutes ago, herbie said:

He's one of the defectives PP appeals to as he caters to his vital base of support - the lowest common denominator.

Ya know, by calling it Common Sense Govt, they think it really is.

10 years of lying leftists like you have left the country broke. With no hope for the future and with deaths on the rise by the bucketful people are willing to try and alternative because what we've got right now is simply too horrible to continue with

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11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What would you call it if more people will die due to a bad political decision?

1.  It's not necessarily a bad political decision, and definitely not as black-and-white as you make it out to be.  

2. Not everyone can be saved (or is willing to be saved). 

3.  Resources are not infinite, therefore priorities need to be established on their most effective use.  Resources to one group mean resources don't go to another.  Someone will die as a result.

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Removing cancer clinics would be a death sentence to those with cancer.  Seems like a fair enough statement, no?

Kind of a straw-man there, isn't it?  Why don't we talk about removing hospitals altogether?  

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Why are you trying to police the tone?

I'm not trying to police anything.  I pointed out that the topic isn't nearly as cut-and-dry as the opposing tribes make it out to be.  

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12 hours ago, herbie said:

He's one of the defectives PP appeals to as he caters to his vital base of support - the lowest common denominator.

Ya know, by calling it Common Sense Govt, they think it really is.

So tell us about Trudeau's laundry list of successes, genius. Why does everyone hate him so much, even though the MSM tells us to love him? 

If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. 

Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. 

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3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So tell us about Trudeau's laundry list of successes, genius. Why does everyone hate him so much, even though the MSM tells us to love him? 

Why? We're not talking about Trudeau we're talking about PP. The man of criticism, simple slogans and no actual plans or policy for S.F.A.

Leading the Party into what, the fourth election with no climate plan to tell us about? Pretty sad for a career politician.

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5 minutes ago, herbie said:

Why? We're not talking about Trudeau we're talking about PP. The man of criticism, simple slogans and no actual plans or policy for S.F.A.

Leading the Party into what, the fourth election with no climate plan to tell us about? Pretty sad for a career politician.

I'm sure that you wish that was true. I'm sure that the voices in your head tell you that it's true.

It is very obvious that Poilievre has plans. It's equally obvious that he'd be a moreon to share them before the election

It's also further obvious that he has a pretty solid working understanding of the problems Canadians face. Which the left does not.

Based on results, Trudeau and Jagmeets plan for Canada is to run it into the ground until all that is left is a desolate smoking hole. I'm pretty sure Poilievre will have a better plan than that

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Read one single other post an there's your usual instant reply consisting of moronic justifications for lack of policy and further whataboutism.

Get a f*cking life and try learning something. Ditch the weather app and look out the window to see if it's raining.

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Just now, herbie said:

Read one single other post an there's your usual instant reply consisting of moronic justifications for lack of policy and further whataboutism.

 

Started drinking a little early today did you?

I'm sorry that the truth offends you. And I'm sorry that the truth today is the same truth as yesterday and the same truth tomorrow. I'm on the right, so I can't just make up new answers to the same questions every day, I stick with the truth

And the truth is it would be extremely irresponsible for him to be making specific commitments before he even knows what the economic situation will look like when the election eventually rolls around. Who knows what other disasters Trudeau is going to bring on us between now and then. And if he shares a bunch of good ideas Trudeau will just try and steal them and claim that they're his.

She's at the next election. In the meantime it is the absolute truth that Trudeau has run this country into the ground with the help of the woke left in the NDP. So even if you really did have no plan, it would still be a better plan than Trudeau's and Jagmeet's plan

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23 minutes ago, herbie said:

Why? We're not talking about Trudeau we're talking about PP. The man of criticism, simple slogans and no actual plans or policy for S.F.A.

Leading the Party into what, the fourth election with no climate plan to tell us about? Pretty sad for a career politician.

Why would you reach for such a criticism of PP while you've had nothing bad to say about Trudeau this whole time?

If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. 

Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. 

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8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why would you reach for such a criticism of PP while you've had nothing bad to say about Trudeau this whole time?

Cuz Mr "conservative" dummy, the thread is about what PP is doing, not about what Trudeau or Singh or anyone else did, does or will do.

Is that just too f*cking difficult for any of you to understand? It sure seems to be.

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3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Cuz Mr "conservative" dummy, the thread is about what PP is doing, not about what Trudeau or Singh or anyone else did, does or will do.

Is that just too f*cking difficult for any of you to understand? It sure seems to be.

The thread is about "a weaksauce attempt to throw shade at Pierre Poilievre", and you're just gobbling it up like a good little cultist. 

 

herbie: "Awwwwww look how awful all the conservatives are for supporting PP, mommie! 😭!"

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Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. 

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