Conventions and speeches over, it's time for America to decide: can this be the new normal? Should it?

[User]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Also... why do I have to listen to someone who I have already heard enough from to know what he's about?

Do you listen to every Nancy Pelosi speech, just in case she started coming up with some good ideas?

When you accuse him of having no brain or heart, it is clear you don't listen to him regularly. 

He is very passionate and emotional, and he gives heartfelt advice and information. He also does his best to stick to a good argument rather than just the usual opinionated talk.

[Michael Hardner]

27 minutes ago, User said:

When you accuse him of having no brain or heart, it is clear you don't listen to him regularly. 

He is very passionate and emotional, and he gives heartfelt advice and information. He also does his best to stick to a good argument rather than just the usual opinionated talk.

It's almost like you didn't read my last post...

Reply, reply, reply, zzzzzzz...

He's a weak man, and a fake intellectual.

[User]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

He's a weak man, and a fake intellectual.

I get it, he fights back in the culture wars, you don't like that. 

 

[myata]

He isn't weird. It's quite easy to understand him: he doesn't understand democracy. He despises it. And he doesn't need it. And he said as much. And it just may be the nature of the strange attachments to thugs and tyrants.

We can't pretend to be deaf or dumb here, the time does not give concessions for that. So either we reject and condemn it; or it's the new normal and we chose it. Democracy is not a gift or guarantee certificate. It's a choice of free citizens: nothing more and not a grain less.

[CouchPotato]

22 minutes ago, myata said:

Democracy is not a gift or guarantee certificate. It's a choice of free citizens: nothing more and not a grain less.

And Trump is going to fix Democracy for us.

[myata]

"Either it's me or its rigged" has nothing to do with democracy. One has to completely reject independent, own thinking to not understand such obvious things.

"Have deep respect for the office of the President"? Pupils learn in the kindergarten that no one office rules in democracy; about the Constitution and separation of powers. The converts here only confirm that is already quite apparent: the cult has not a clue about democracy; it doesn't trust it and doesn't need it. It's an a personality, Idol cult as clear and simple as they ever were.

Edited August 25 by myata

[myata]

It's a medical case at this point, nothing less.

"I win or it's rigged": does it have anything to do with democracy?

C'mon, when Maduro says "I win either way" is he to be loved and applauded? Go ahead, just open up and share everything. Who will volunteer?

[User]

32 minutes ago, myata said:

"Either it's me or its rigged" has nothing to do with democracy. One has to completely reject independent, own thinking to not understand such obvious things.

And yet you completely ignore that Biden and Harris spent the first couple of years saying if they lose it will be because Republicans steal the election, that Democrats to this day still say Trump stole the election from Clinton (as Clinton says too) and they stole it from Gore (which Gore still says too). 

This is just dumb rhetoric you only choose to fear monger about when Trump says it. 

 

17 minutes ago, myata said:

C'mon, when Maduro says "I win either way" is he to be loved and applauded? Go ahead, just open up and share everything. Who will volunteer?

Biden and Harris chose to appease him. 

[myata]

"The only way we're going to lose it is if it's rigged": this should be pretty close. This was stated before the election and it means nothing less than the will of the people doesn't matter. I already know the outcome because I say so.

This is simple, a kindergartener can understand that. So either you admit that it has nothing to do with the Constitution and the democracy. Or you are a boldface liar just like your lying Idol. Which one? I'll keep an open mind. Let's see.

Edited August 25 by myata

[CouchPotato]

23 minutes ago, User said:

And yet you completely ignore that Biden and Harris spent the first couple of years saying if they lose it will be because Republicans steal the election, that Democrats to this day still say Trump stole the election from Clinton (as Clinton says too) and they stole it from Gore (which Gore still says too). 

This is just dumb rhetoric you only choose to fear monger about when Trump says it.

And he just doesn't bother to respond to this.

[WestCanMan]

Myata is a greasy little slanderer with no balls or brains. That's why CNN et al are right up his alley. 

Myata: "Trump referred to immigrants as animals! Trump just referred to white supremacists as very fine people! YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP!"

Well, truth is CNN can, and they did, and id10ts like you don't just fall for it, you repeat for years. 

"Just keep the lies comin', CNN. I can't get enough of them." - myata

[CdnFox]

On 8/24/2024 at 7:16 AM, Michael Hardner said:

That's right.

 

Now you're being called "weird", and it's sticking.

 

LOL  it's not sticking in the slightest     Turns out you can't wear purple hair, demand that there's no biological difference between men and women,  erect a 20 ft diaphram at your convention demanding that we 'free the unterus' and dress up like abortion pills and frolic in the streets and successfully get away with calling OTHER people 'weird'      LOLOL!!

[myata]

No need to respond to lies. No one refused to concede the election. No one tried to interfere with the election offices or prevent certification. The lies are so plain that only totally brainless like to bath in.

This isn't a great situation though and as often in history the onset is quick and unexpected. There is an authoritarian cult that doesn't understand the democracy; is suspicious of it; and despises it. It's ready to do away with it and replace it with some kind of the mob rule. History is full of examples how it could happen.

Next, a party, formerly of respected democratic tradition gave in to the cult by first failing to create a viable alternative; and secondly by compromising with it and giving it ground step by step, till no place for an alternative was left.

So now the question: is it the new normal? is escalated to the people. Should the democracy be severely eroded or done away with entirely, in some foreseeable stretch if not immediately, is before the people. Except the cult is trying to hide it, adorn and decorate it as just another election. But no. The record is set in history and its' not going anywhere.

"I win or its rigged"

"Just find me those votes"

"You don't have to certify it or else"

All is before our eyes. We only have to answer one question: is this the new normal? Do we want and prepared to have the democracy this way, from now and indefinitely?

[suds]

The thing about Trump is that he's really really good at firing up his base and getting them to show up and vote on election day. The polls mean nothing unless those you expect to vote for you, make the effort to do so. Harris doesn't have that charisma and it's likely in a close race why she stands to lose. Sure, the MSM can play her up real big but it's not the same thing. Democracy is for the people. How the 2 Parties select their nominees is up to them to decide. Then, democracy comes into effect when the people are handed their choices and they 'the people' make the final decision. There's nothing undemocratic about selecting Trump or Harris as nominees

 

 

 

[myata]

8 minutes ago, suds said:

There's nothing undemocratic about selecting Trump or Harris as nominees

This is just wrong and right in the plain sight. Where all candidates can claim "it's me or or it's rigged" and instruct election officials to find them votes they need to win how would you know who won? And what if the loser refuses to concede? And uses police to defend his/her position? Would it still look like a democracy or what?

The harm is already done, it's the fact, precedent. It's not wrong as of now to claim that I win or it's rigged and who cares how they voted. It's not wrong yet to go fishing for votes, as Putin and Maduro do routinely. Democracy is not the mob rule and it's for a reason it wasn't designed that way, mob boss for a president and let the mob figure out how the folk votes. You want it that way - you sure can have it, and there's no point reminding of the consequences if it's not obvious but they will be coming. No one can cancel the reality and the links of the cause and effect. No loud mouth has such powers.

[myata]

So this comes straight down to the pitch of the cult: we are tired with, and don't need that democracy. We want the mob rule. It sounds like this, and this is what it is.

Except they wouldn't say it out and in the open. And the party? Does it subscribe to that? It doesn't look like it has a sound voice as of now. So everyone will have to decide for themselves.

[suds]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

This is just wrong and right in the plain sight. Where all candidates can claim "it's me or or it's rigged" and instruct election officials to find them votes they need to win how would you know who won? And what if the loser refuses to concede? And uses police to defend his/her position? Would it still look like a democracy or what?

The harm is already done, it's the fact, precedent. It's not wrong as of now to claim that I win or it's rigged and who cares how they voted. It's not wrong yet to go fishing for votes, as Putin and Maduro do routinely. Democracy is not the mob rule and it's for a reason it wasn't designed that way, mob boss for a president and let the mob figure out how the folk votes. You want it that way - you sure can have it, and there's no point reminding of the consequences if it's not obvious but they will be coming. No one can cancel the reality and the links of the cause and effect. No loud mouth has such powers.

You're always yapping about democracy democracy democracy.  So in your opinion, what's the difference between democracy and mob rule?

[suds]

We supposedly live in a 'liberal democracy'.  All democracy does is decide who makes the laws. It's liberalism that decides what the laws ought to be.

[myata]

Thanks to the cult converts the issue is as clear as can be: when it's the mob rule, the mob boss decides who won the "election". No unnecessary surprises. Don't even have to vote. Examples are plenty.

So democracy or the mob?

We know everything. Sure, it's a choice.

Edited August 26 by myata

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, myata said:

No need to respond to lies.

You repeat them. All of them. And you can't even debate it because you're a gutless little b1tch.

You are in an authoritarian cult which has openly committed crimes with the FBI, they have weaponized the DoJ, they use the MSM and social media like Goebbels himself and that's really bad, dummy. 

You don't understand how important an impartial judiciary and media are in a democracy: you think that if the MSM is telling lies that you like it's cool, but you should never support that.

I despise you because you're a weaselly cultist sycophant of the lowest order.

Look around, dipshit. There are wars everywhere. The ME could blow up at any second. Terrorists have been attacking US bases with impunity for the last 8 months - nearly 200 attacks, maybe more now. The cost of everything IS up by 30%. The border IS wide open. 

Can you imagine Kamala "BAIL OUT THE VIOLENT RIOTERS! I HOPE THE RIOTS LAST UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS!" Harris with the power to just pardon whomever she wants? Along with Timmy "LET THEM RIOTS! I LOVE THE SMELL OF TIRE FIRES!" Walz? The first time a black guy wrestles with a cop and gets shot the US will erupt into riots that last 4 years. 

So what's the cry of the leftards?

1. "Kamala is a unifier". No she's not. If she was then hate-mongering conservatives wouldn't be her main strategy
2. "Trump is evil". No he's not. He didn't do anything racist when he was president. Everyone succeeded. 
3. "Trump is an authoritarian". No he isn't. The Dems just lie and cheat all the time, and getting the FBI to lie about the Hunter laptop was election cheating, just like it would have been cheating to get help from Xi or Putin. The FBI should NOT be choosing sides.  

Myata, you're a lying weasel and a stupid little cultist. Just stop making these dumb threads already. 

[suds]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Thanks to the cult converts the issue is as clear as can be: when it's the mob rule, the mob boss decides who won the "election". No unnecessary surprises. Don't even have to vote. Examples are plenty.

So democracy or the mob?

We know everything. Sure, it's a choice.

The mob boss can decide whatever he wants, but it doesn't make it so. It's not undemocratic or unconstitutional to contest election results and leave it up to the courts to decide if need be. It happens all the time. I will admit that Trump went way too far with this. It proved to be an embarrassment to the Party and the country, and provided the democrats with all kinds of ammunition. Anyone who believes that Trump has the power to overturn election results is delusional. Can't happen in a country that has a solid constitution, a solid justice system, and abides by rule of law.

Edited August 26 by suds

[myata]

This is clear: if this becomes the norm and the standard; if every contender from now on could and will claim, before the vote "Me or its stolen"; if they try to find votes, after the polls and try to revert or even hijack the election. This would no longer be a first world democracy.

No. No way. Pretend to not see it, or be dumb. Try to whistle something unrelated. But it's here because it's a fact, real factual precedent. And no twisted words can dismiss the reality history is full of those who tried. Yes it arrived unexpected but it's here, now. We only get to decide do we want it. Do we want and fully prepared to have our whatever it is, this way from here and to wherever it would get us.

[myata]

10 hours ago, suds said:

I will admit that Trump went way too far with this. It proved to be an embarrassment to the Party and the country

But you aren't answering a simple question: is this the new norm and standard in politics? Should it be, from now on? How can it not be, if the precedent is set; and is accepted, by the party, and his following as perfectly normal and moreover, rewarded with a new nomination? How can one say that it was wrong and then cheer for it? Is this sane?

[User]

1 hour ago, myata said:

This is clear: if this becomes the norm and the standard; if every contender from now on could and will claim, before the vote "Me or its stolen"; if they try to find votes, after the polls and try to revert or even hijack the election. This would no longer be a first world democracy.

No. No way. Pretend to not see it, or be dumb. Try to whistle something unrelated. But it's here because it's a fact, real factual precedent. And no twisted words can dismiss the reality history is full of those who tried. Yes it arrived unexpected but it's here, now. We only get to decide do we want it. Do we want and fully prepared to have our whatever it is, this way from here and to wherever it would get us.

This is clear: It was already the norm and standard. 

Democrats spend Trump's presidency telling us every other day he colluded with Russia to steal the election from Clinton. 

[myata]

OK so all of this is already normal, for some. That much is clear. The question that remains is will it be the new normal for America, now? It just cannot be avoided or shrugged away you see.