herbie Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 I'm only shitting on govt's jumping into action as companies seem too often to rely on them doing so in order to bargain in bad faith. Too many strikes that happen after years of failed bargaining, too many strikes that drag on for years until arbitration is forced. A new legal balanced framework is due and clear rulings when it comes to national economic interests. Look at new and upcoming oil & gas. Should the energy export sector be included as a national economic security inclusion? All are on one coast. Should only one union be allowed to represent all? If so, should all their union contracts be allowed to expire at the same time? Or staggered like the auto sector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 (edited) 57 minutes ago, herbie said: I'm only shitting on govt's jumping into action as companies seem too often to rely on them doing so in order to bargain in bad faith. Too many strikes that happen after years of failed bargaining, too many strikes that drag on for years until arbitration is forced. A new legal balanced framework is due and clear rulings when it comes to national economic interests. Look at new and upcoming oil & gas. Should the energy export sector be included as a national economic security inclusion? All are on one coast. Should only one union be allowed to represent all? If so, should all their union contracts be allowed to expire at the same time? Or staggered like the auto sector? The givernemnt stepped in becasue tge union asked them to w=a while ago. The supply chain in Canada is an economic engine for the entire country. There is no one secor more or less affected by a rail strike. I stronlgy suspect you, amongst others, would be screaming if let go for a couple weeks and you groceries were not available or the product you want to need. Let alone having our agriculture lay dormant and spoil or die. You would be demanding the government intervene Also, are you, in some way ,saying the government allocate when unions can go on strike? If any laws should be made or passed, it is one that designates what is deemed an essential service. Like health care? And maybe the rail system? Or, are you implying that the rail system become a government department? Edited August 25 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I stronlgy suspect you, amongst others, would be screaming if let go for a couple weeks and you groceries were not available Not really, stores here are still using the supply chain as a goddam excuse for empty shelves. Needed to buy a new water cooler, none here. None in next town. Went on the Internet and checked, Costco, Staples, Cdn Tire, Home Depot, Staples, WalMart, Best Buy for bottom loading sub $300 ones in stock. Sales person at BestBuy looked at me like there was no such thing, 0 water coolers in stock. WalMart 1 toploader only. Cdn TIre 0. Costco a whole wall full on sale under $200..... the local hardware store had siad they were 'out of stock' and were hard to get - knowing full well I'd been in his store every week for the last 35 years and never seen one in the shop. As for grocery it neither gets to the supermarket or the distribution center by rail. Maybe corn flakes do but not meat, fruit or vegetables. Trucks bring them from the port to BC and AB to the warehouse and to stores. Regardless, I've clearly stated I am not against forced arbitrations and back to work orders I'm against corporations using them instead of real bargaining, And opposed to blaming unions for "holding the country hpstage" when corporations do all the time, assume the right to and are supported b the public willing to allow them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Political Smash Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 On 8/22/2024 at 11:38 AM, blackbird said: The federal government says they are urging the companies and union to sit down to reach agreement. Nice words but they are empty and do nothing to protect Canadians. It is obvious the parties are far apart and no agreement is in sight. This lockout or strike should never be allowed. This will reportedly cost the economy a billion dollars a day. This will hurt many farmers as they cannot get their goods to market.  This will affect many other businesses and the population of Canada. The federal government allowing this to happen and not considering this as an essential service is a complete failure. This is not like a strike by a chain store or a saw mill somewhere. This is a complete shutdown of the national rail system. This should never be allowed. The federal government is completely at fault. This will do great harm to Canada in many ways. Trudeau just made an announcement on the news as the shutdown just began. He says this will do damage to various industries, businesses, and to Canada. Yes, he admits this.  Yet what has he done to prevent it? He is the PM and the one person that could have done something to avoid it. In fact, the only person that could stop it from happening. Yet he is doing nothing to stop it and force the parties to binding arbitration. What is going on in our leader's heads? Does he think nice words is going to resolve this and stop the shutdown? Reminds me of him evading meeting with the truckers so could evade easily resolving the issue deliberately while instead he deliberately tried to make criminals out of the protesters. He is now doing this because with the trains the Liberal - NDP coalition hatefully treat Canadians and this is more proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 30 Author Report Share Posted August 30 Railways are an essential service for millions, nay, tens of millions of people across the country. A union should not be able to take advantage of its unique position over the economy of Canada and use it as a tool to force the employer to give in to outrageous demands. This goes for seaport workers or longshoremen. These are essential services. Some workers who go on strike only effect that particular business. It does not harm the population in general. That is why there should be no such thing as an option to go on strike in essential services. Contracts should all be determined by binding arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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