blackbird Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 (edited) We have a health care system that is run by politicians, that is, elected governments. In the case of B.C. the public health care system is run by the NDP, particularly NDP leader and Minister of Health, Adrian Dix. The Unions are one of the largest donors to the B.C. NDP party. The fact the unions have a large number of members working in the health care system and they donate a lot of money to the party that runs the health care system seems like a conflict of interest to me. The fact the party gets a large part of its support from that segment of society and yet as government, they are supposed to be governing for all residents equally. This situation would tend to make one think the government is somehow beholden to one of their largest supporting groups. Meanwhile Emergency Rooms are shut down for a day or more at a time in various towns in B.C. and the government seems unable to take action to stop the shutdowns. Is there a union factor there that prevents the government from taking action to keep the ERs staffed and open? Edited August 19 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 16 hours ago, blackbird said: Is there a union factor there that prevents the government from taking action to keep the ERs staffed and open? No. Quote A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: No. Why doesn't the government move some doctors and nurses from one location to another when there is no ER doctor available then, even on a temporary basis instead of shutting down the Emergency Rooms? They could put them up in motels and pay for expenses until they find replacement staff. Looks like they don't move anybody. Unions and medical associations won't allow it. Doctors and nurses can refuse to go and their contracts may give them that power. Patients in need of emergency care who find an ER shut down have to be transported maybe an hour or two to another ER putting their lives at risk. People will die because of this. Doctors and nurses cannot be inconvenienced. They have powerful unions to back them. In other jobs, if people are required to travel to another location for a couple days, they have to go. There is no choice. It is obvious who calls the shots in the medical professions and it's not the employer or health care management. Edited August 20 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: No. We're always being compared to France which has a strong union culture as well as two tier healthcare. Canadian public service suffers from a poor management culture, as does most of Canada. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Michael.....Michael Hardner. King of the wild frontier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 (edited) One possible solution to the shortage of doctors and closing ERs would be to change the system to having walk-in clinics with several doctors in each clinic plus several nurse-practitioners. Have them open for sixteen hours a day at least. The patient would see a nurse-practitioner and under certain conditions, would be referred to the doctor during the same visit if necessary. Having these clilnics would reduce the demand and pressure on ERs. Also, have doctors and nurses required to temporarily post to ERs for so many days per year. Also, require them to travel temporarily to ERs in towns which are short-staffed for several days at a time. Move away from the independent doctor's office. Doctors should not have to run their own office and employ their own staff. Do it all through health care clinics. Edited August 20 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Michael.....Michael Hardner. King of the wild frontier. Anything constructive to contribute to the topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, blackbird said: Anything constructive to contribute to the topic? Yes. While you were posting thos, i did the nasty with your imaginary girlfriend. Edited August 20 by DUI_Offender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 Get rid of all private doctor offices and have walk-in clinics for everyone. As it is now, it takes five weeks for me to get a doctor appointment to see my family doctor. That is ridiculous. Shut down all doctor offices and have only large walk-in clinics for all GPs or family doctors with first encounter being a nurse practitioner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: Get rid of all private doctor offices and have walk-in clinics for everyone. As it is now, it takes five weeks for me to get a doctor appointment to see my family doctor. That is ridiculous. Shut down all doctor offices and have only large walk-in clinics for all GPs or family doctors with first encounter being a nurse practitioner. That would go over like a fart in Church Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Are there qualified doctors/nurses/health care workers from elsewhere being denied licencing in Canada. Is the overall medical system a 'closed shop' when it comes to foreign health professionals? Huge money/resources/ time spent on repeat, repeat, repeat druggies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 The fact is the BC NDP minister of health does nothing to really fix the health care crisis and mess. He is on the news ever few days to say some thing he did here or there or some money spent. But no major changes to fix the system. He does little adjustments and spends some money on this and that, but these are all relatively speaking very minor changes. They will not fix the massive shortage of doctors and nurses. He is only tinkering with the system. They are afraid to make any major changes. People will continue to suffer and die on long waiting lists, many will not have a doctor, and many will not have proper care because of lack of proper walk-in clinics and doctors and lack of facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five of swords Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 20 hours ago, blackbird said: We have a health care system that is run by politicians, that is, elected governments. In the case of B.C. the public health care system is run by the NDP, particularly NDP leader and Minister of Health, Adrian Dix. The Unions are one of the largest donors to the B.C. NDP party. The fact the unions have a large number of members working in the health care system and they donate a lot of money to the party that runs the health care system seems like a conflict of interest to me. The fact the party gets a large part of its support from that segment of society and yet as government, they are supposed to be governing for all residents equally. This situation would tend to make one think the government is somehow beholden to one of their largest supporting groups. Meanwhile Emergency Rooms are shut down for a day or more at a time in various towns in B.C. and the government seems unable to take action to stop the shutdowns. Is there a union factor there that prevents the government from taking action to keep the ERs staffed and open? It is quite possible for the state to provide health care to its citizens. In fact, it is even easier than a state providing a military. If the state does not provide health care, it is because they don't care about their citizens having health care. It is actually quite simple...no need to overthrow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 19 minutes ago, Five of swords said: It is quite possible for the state to provide health care to its citizens. In fact, it is even easier than a state providing a military. If the state does not provide health care, it is because they don't care about their citizens having health care. It is actually quite simple...no need to overthrow it. You said nothing about the crisis in the Canadian health care system. Guess you're ok with that. Doesn't affect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five of swords Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, blackbird said: You said nothing about the crisis in the Canadian health care system. Guess you're ok with that. Doesn't affect you. It's not a 'crisis' unless the state gives a crap about our health care. That is what you aren't getting. In the usa it is much worse...lots of people simply cannot afford basic health care or medication there. It isn't a crisis because nobody in power actually cares. Why would they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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