blackbird Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 (edited) NDP leader Jagmeet Singh says the NDP opposes government intervention in the labour dispute and looming strike of the Canadians railway system. A shutdown of this type could have devastating effects on Canadian businesses and the economy. This could cost over a billion dollars a day in lost business. This would be worse than the closure of the seaports when we had the port strike. The NDP is more interested in backing the unions than the population and businesses of Canada who they were elected to represent. Once a party is elected they are supposed to represent the interests of all Canadians, not just their core supporters, the unions. Singh urges Liberals to stay out of rail dispute as deadline to avoid massive shutdown looms (msn.com) Edited August 19 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 OMG! A party that stands up for its values... how awful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 NDP standing for a union.....be still my beating heart!!!! When did the NDP become a union supporter?? Oh wait, it was when Tommy Douglas started the CCF (NDP parent company) LOL 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 19 Author Report Share Posted August 19 Unions are among the NDP's biggest supporters and always have been. If anyone doesn't know that, they must be living in dreamland. Unions dominate list of NDP’s biggest donors | Vancouver Sun While it's reasonable to have unions, they should not have the ability to shut down major industries that thousands of businesses and millions of Canadians depend on and that could cost the economy more than a billion dollars a day. It is the responsibility of government to ensure no group is able to harm Canadians in that way. A reasonable approach would be for government to enforce binding arbitration. That is what governments are for. Law and Order should be number one priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 Thx Capt. Obvious. We appreciate your help countering the bullshit that Conservatives stand up for working people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 19 Author Report Share Posted August 19 (edited) Cost of railway shutdown will be ‘borne by all Canadians,’ Ottawa warns | Watch (msn.com) NDP and their union comrades could care less about all Canadians. Edited August 19 by blackbird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 Blackmailing the economy is an interesting negotiation tactic. The gov freaked out and enacted the Emergencies Act when truckers blocked a lane at a border crossing but they're not nearly as concerned when unions do this or indigenous protestors block the railway lines. Universal human rights means treating everyone the same. The left/progressives don't believe in this anymore. 2 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Universal human rights means treating everyone the same. The left/progressives don't believe in this anymore. What a load of shit. Everyone has the right to unionize and the right to strike. And CN has issued lockout notice, that is not a strike, not done by a union and not by the NDP or liberals. That is the company's doing. And I just don't see or hear any one of you ever bawling that the company is threatening our whole economy, do I? So you're just gonna have to wait and see if they do stop work, if they can't quickly reach an agreement and then the govt steps in when it's supposed to, not before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, herbie said: What a load of shit. Everyone has the right to unionize and the right to strike. And CN has issued lockout notice, that is not a strike, not done by a union and not by the NDP or liberals. That is the company's doing. And I just don't see or hear any one of you ever bawling that the company is threatening our whole economy, do I? So you're just gonna have to wait and see if they do stop work, if they can't quickly reach an agreement and then the govt steps in when it's supposed to, not before. We know you're a union wacko who thinks it's ok to beat a scab. You said stuff like that already. All you think about is the union but you're not capable of thinking about a major railway shutdown would be disastrous for businesses and Canadians across the country. Farm grains from across the prairies depend on the railway to ship their grains. They cannot just hold the grains somewhere. It would go bad. Many other things would not be able to be shipped causing shortages and drive up the prices for the whole of Canada. It affects billions of dollars worth of goods. It is so stupid to believe a strike like that is ok. It should never be allowed and the government should not wait until a strike happens to try to stop it. It takes days for government to be called to take action to get people back to work if there is a strike. What's the point when an arbitrator can impose a settlement. Canadians are being held hostage by union and left wing wackos. Edited August 20 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 (edited) 13 hours ago, herbie said: What a load of shit. Everyone has the right to unionize and the right to strike. And CN has issued lockout notice, that is not a strike, not done by a union and not by the NDP or liberals. That is the company's doing. And I just don't see or hear any one of you ever bawling that the company is threatening our whole economy, do I? So you're just gonna have to wait and see if they do stop work, if they can't quickly reach an agreement and then the govt steps in when it's supposed to, not before. You do realize the lockout is proposed on the day the strike can be held is because CN does not want to transport goods in case the union walks out and the goods of all kinds, perishable etc, will be stuck or abandoned and spoil when the union walks out and trains stop. CN/CP does not own the goods and does not want to have it's customers product to spoil. Lockouts occur often and do so to prevent further damage. Edited August 20 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 21 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Blackmailing the economy is an interesting negotiation tactic. The gov freaked out and enacted the Emergencies Act when truckers blocked a lane at a border crossing but they're not nearly as concerned when unions do this or indigenous protestors block the railway lines. Universal human rights means treating everyone the same. The left/progressives don't believe in this anymore. Who is blackmailing the economy?? Looks like the unions are threatening to damage our entire supply chain and economy. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 I guess our water bombers will be grounded during fire season. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 The railways have had a year to negotiate a new deal. They haven't. Neither did the airlines.. Nor the ports. Every goddam company that considers itself vital does the same thing knowing the govt eventually must step in and 'negotiate' a better deal than they can. And by already stopping the transport of certain goods, it's pretty damn obvious they have no real intention of seriously trying. Also it's pretty clear how in ALL these critical services the govt has allowed every sector to merge down to 2 or 4 huge companies, all with the same union. The auto sector has the brains to not let all their union contracts expire at the same time. WTF is this with BOTH (and only) railways ever being allowed to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 9 minutes ago, herbie said: The railways have had a year to negotiate a new deal. They haven't. Neither did the airlines.. Nor the ports. Every goddam company that considers itself vital does the same thing knowing the govt eventually must step in and 'negotiate' a better deal than they can. And by already stopping the transport of certain goods, it's pretty damn obvious they have no real intention of seriously trying. Also it's pretty clear how in ALL these critical services the govt has allowed every sector to merge down to 2 or 4 huge companies, all with the same union. The auto sector has the brains to not let all their union contracts expire at the same time. WTF is this with BOTH (and only) railways ever being allowed to? These services ar not vital?? Are implying the government have more control? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 13 minutes ago, herbie said: The railways have had a year to negotiate a new deal. They haven't. Neither did the airlines.. Nor the ports. Every goddam company that considers itself vital does the same thing knowing the govt eventually must step in and 'negotiate' a better deal than they can. And by already stopping the transport of certain goods, it's pretty damn obvious they have no real intention of seriously trying. Hey little man! Should your Prime Minister invoke the 'Emergencies Act' . . . ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Not at all, the govt does have control, but not before a strike actually begins. Vital or not, that's the rules in the playbook. They can order them back to work and into arbitration an hour later if they want. And almost certainly will within a day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Hey little man! Should your Prime Minister invoke the 'Emergencies Act' . . . ? Hey dimbulb, if he drags his ass half as long as he did with the convoy he could p1ss off just as many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 On 8/19/2024 at 9:00 PM, herbie said: What a load of shit. Everyone has the right to unionize and the right to strike. And CN has issued lockout notice, that is not a strike, not done by a union and not by the NDP or liberals. That is the company's doing. And I just don't see or hear any one of you ever bawling that the company is threatening our whole economy, do I? So you're just gonna have to wait and see if they do stop work, if they can't quickly reach an agreement and then the govt steps in when it's supposed to, not before. Unions don't have a right to strike with essential services. How is rail workers shutting down rail shipping across the country any different than convoy truckers blocking a US-Canada border bridge? These are essential infrastructure for our economy. Canadians have a right to eat, have fuel etc which IMO supercedes the right to strike. CN Teamsters workers union issued a strike notice, and CN issued a lockout notice. Fair enough point about the lockout not getting the same blame. But lockouts are typically done only against unions as a pre-emptive measure before an expected strike. I do strongly support the right to unionize and strike, but there are reasonable limits. To their credit the labour board ordered the union workers back to work and both parties into binding arbitration. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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