What was the Covid Jab, Really?

[WestCanMan]

Honest question.

Was this something that was secretly worked on before the pandemic, which was honestly supposed to work, thereby getting us all addicted so that we'd be taking 'vaccines' for the rest of our lives?

Was it just an honest saaaawingandamiss, created in response to the pandemic?

Was it protection from a bio-weapon that 'our side' planned to release as a retaliation against China, for letting out the covid virus? 

IMO there's a ZERO percent chance that the jab is what it was pimped as (a response to the pandemic which they really felt certain would work). The whole TNI roster was pimping the jab as hard as they could, and belittling anyone who proposed any kind of alternative treatment. Our MSM was 100% involved in some kind of scam, I just don't know what it really was. 

[Goddess]

I 100% believe the jabs were not created for the virus.

The virus was created for the jabs.

It's the only thing that makes sense of the utter insanity that ensued.

[DUI_Offender]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Honest question.

Was this something that was secretly worked on before the pandemic, which was honestly supposed to work, thereby getting us all addicted so that we'd be taking 'vaccines' for the rest of our lives?

 

People have been given vaccines dating back a century.  When you were a child, chances are you were vaccinated from smallpox, measles, and other diseases that increased the infant mortality rate.  However, now that some internet "doctors" are convincing people to not get vaccinated, falsely claiming it causes Autism, among other things, measles (which was thought to be eradicated in 2000), has come back in parts of the US, and is killing children again. But hey, the parents are saying it's a small price to pay, for their "rights."

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

However, now that some internet "doctors" are convincing people to not get vaccinated, falsely claiming it causes Autism, among other things...

 

...But hey, the parents are saying it's a small price to pay, for their "rights."

Their rights are based on pretending that false claims are okay because they're protected free speech.

There's a reason why falsely crying fire in a crowded theater doesn't qualify and why Kenneth Law is charged with counselling and aiding suicide. Both should be as applicable when protecting people from medical misinformation that can lead to their deaths.

[herbie]

Oh give up arguing, the Covid thing is history and they're still carrying on like MAGAs about Hillary's emails FFS.
They can't move on cuz that would be progress and that's a bad word to them.
But we can.

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

People have been given vaccines dating back a century.  When you were a child, chances are you were vaccinated from smallpox, measles, and other diseases that increased the infant mortality rate.  However, now that some internet "doctors" are convincing people to not get vaccinated, falsely claiming it causes Autism, among other things, measles (which was thought to be eradicated in 2000), has come back in parts of the US, and is killing children again. But hey, the parents are saying it's a small price to pay, for their "rights."

We all know what vaccines are DUI. They confer priceless protection against virulent pathogens with high mortality rates. 

Diseases like smallpox, TB and polio were a death sentence 120 years ago, now no one in Canada fears them. 

No one on this site has ever questioned the effectiveness, safety, or necessity any of those vaccines. If there was a Royal Family of Medicines, vaccines would be in it, along with penicillin. 

But calling the covid jab a vaccine is like calling Napoleon Dynamite an emperor. 

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Their rights are based on pretending that false claims are okay because they're protected free speech.

I just gotta know what you consider a "false claim" lol. 

You still believe that "the covid jabs are safe, you don't have to worry about covid if you get them, and you don't have to worry about passing it on to granny" ffs.

Your version of false is in the dictionary beside 'true'. 

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh give up arguing, the Covid thing is history and they're still carrying on like MAGAs about Hillary's emails FFS.
They can't move on cuz that would be progress and that's a bad word to them.
But we can.

Right, little boy.

The gov't lies to you, takes away your rights, forces people to take an insufficiently tested drug that kills and grievously injures them, offer them MAID if they're suffering from it, then we find out the jab was totally worthless because a record number of people who took it died, and after all that we have retards like herbie just saying "Meh. It was a swing and a miss. Who cares?" 

[CdnFox]

I think, as always, there's no need to attribute to malice that which is easily explained by incompetence or misfortune  

mNRA Research has been going on for quite some time. It is a completely legitimate line of research that attempts to resolve some of the issues with medication as we know them today and was intended as being a very serious cancer killer if the technology were to mature. I don't think there's anything nefarious about it.

I think a series of missteps and circumstances allowed a lab that was doing research to release Covid and as it became immediately apparent that we had a pandemic going on the drug companies realize there was an opportunity to repurpose some of their not yet complete research as a medicine to be used against covid, and I think that trump went to the big Pharmaceuticals and said I will make sure you have money if you go down this road and they did.

This will have allowed them to recoup years of research that they didn't expect to be profitable for another decade immediately as well as fun future research and still make a tidy profit.

I believe they actually did think that their product could potentially help with the pandemic. But I think their first priority was to get it out there and make money.

So no, I don't believe for a moment any deep theories of some conspiracy to create a virus and release it just to justify a cure. The evidence does not point to that. But I do believe that they grab something that they had in the works and opportunistically sold it to the public with a good helping of snake oil to wash it down.

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I just gotta know what you consider a "false claim" lol.

The virus was created for the jab - the Mother Of All false claims that make the rest look like nothingburger and the people claiming them retarded.

 

 

[Boges]

I think people need to remember COVID-19 was a new virus. (man made or not) So people's first experience with it was, more likely than not, a severe illness. Especially those with compromised immune systems. 

The vaccine allowed for a safe way to expose large groups of people to the virus without continuing to burden healthcare systems. 

But that's so 2021. 

Edited August 16 by Boges

[Black Dog]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

I think people need to remember COVID-19 was a new virus (man made or not) and so people's first experience with was more likely than not be a severe illness. Especially those with compromised immune systems. 

The vaccine allowed for a safe way to expose large groups of people to the virus without continuing to burden healthcare systems. 

But that's so 2021. 

And they worked well against Delta until Omicron and its subvariants came along in late 2021 and changed the calculus, but I notice the Covi-diots never acknowledge that when they b!tch about the vaccine not working.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I think, as always, there's no need to attribute to malice that which is easily explained by incompetence or misfortune  

That's a good pause for thought, but TBH:

1. the magnitude of the consequence of the lies, 
2. the level of deception involved
3. the extent to which lies were coordinated
4. the counterintuitive nature of all the accepted beliefs and choices made 
5. the forcefulness of the lies and the crusade against facts and honest discussions
6. the unwillingness to look back on it al with a critical eye

all point towards malice.

Those 5 points don't fit within the framework of a healthy community. Especially #3.

Now that we know Fauci lied shamelessly about the origin of the virus, and people were banned from social media for talking about the most likely origin of the virus, and the MSM even ignored the existence of the BSL4 lab when it was impossible for them not to know about it, because even I knew about it.

Lies absolutely were coordinated, and not even just that, they were strictly enforced by social media. 

The discussion of whether or not kids even needed a jab was never even breached, the message just came down from above that they should be jabbed, and no one knows why...

[WestCanMan]

42 minutes ago, Boges said:

I think people need to remember COVID-19 was a new virus.

And also that Fauci knew that the virus in the lab was transmissible H2H because research that he funded MADE IT TRANSMISSIBLE H2H. 

So:

1. Fauci knew there was a good chance that the covid virus was from the BSL4 lab
2. Fauci knew the covid virus from the BSL4 lab was transmissible H2H
3. Fauci told the whole f'ing planet: "We don't think the virus is transmissible H2H

Is that not 100.0% accurate?

Which one of those things is less than 100% accurate?

He did fund it. He knew they made it transmissible. He had to know there was a chance it was his virus that was out there. Then he decided to err on the side of caution pandemic.

Can you tell me what I'm missing there? Or what's inaccurate?

Just honestly. Between adults. If you make a salient point, I will acknowledge it for the full value of what it is worth.

[WestCanMan]

42 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

And they worked well against Delta until Omicron and its subvariants came along in late 2021 and changed the calculus, but I notice the Covi-diots never acknowledge that when they b!tch about the vaccine not working.

Wrong. Delta was the 'curveball'. 

Theoretically the vax worked well against the ancestral strain in the lab tests, but later on we found out that the lab results weren't reported accurately. 

Just remember that the NIH blasted Pfizer and Moderna because "Jabs 3 and 4 or 4 and 5 were no more successful than the original jabs, and if that was in the test results they never would have gotten approval."

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And also that Fauci knew that the virus in the lab was transmissible H2H because research that he funded MADE IT TRANSMISSIBLE H2H. 

So:

1. Fauci knew there was a good chance that the covid virus was from the BSL4 lab
2. Fauci knew the covid virus from the BSL4 lab was transmissible H2H
3. Fauci told the whole f'ing planet: "We don't think the virus is transmissible H2H

Is that not 100.0% accurate?

Which one of those things is less than 100% accurate?

He did fund it. He knew they made it transmissible. He had to know there was a chance it was his virus that was out there. Then he decided to err on the side of caution pandemic.

Can you tell me what I'm missing there? Or what's inaccurate?

Just honestly. Between adults. If you make a salient point, I will acknowledge it for the full value of what it is worth.

I don't think the transmissibility matters. The chances of getting very sick when infected is what mattered. 

There were all those bothersome masking and distancing protocols to assist with transmissibility. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Boges said:

I don't think the transmissibility matters. The chances of getting very sick when infected is what mattered. 

There were all those bothersome masking and distancing protocols to assist with transmissibility. 

Covid's transmissibility was actually its superpower.

C-19 was basically the virus that went up to 7B women in the bar and said "wanna f" to all of them, and had a 0.000000001% success rate. Almost every healthy woman under 80 said no. 

If covid wasn't super-transmissible, you never would have heard of it. Can you imagine if Ebola was as transmissible as covid? The population of the earth would be 2 Billion now. 

[Goddess]

The unholy alliance of government and corporate interest has decided to implement and practice regularly injecting the entire population. It is breaking down resistance and will be as aggressive as needed. This is its new compliance norm.  You are being primed to view constant vaccination as "the new normal."

Do you not find it curious how in 50 years, monkeypox has never really gotten off the ground outside of a couple of countries in Africa, but suddenly within two years of the emergence of Covid-19, monkeypox is in every Western nation and being hyped up by public health authorities and the mainstream media? Even the Director General of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has just overruled the World Health Organization and single-handedly declared monkeypox a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.

Did you know "auto-immune blistering disease" is one of the listed side effects of the covid jabs?

Autoimmune mucocutaneous blistering diseases after SARS-Cov-2 vaccination: A Case report of Pemphigus Vulgaris and a literature review - PMC (nih.gov)

 

Monkeypox is primarily an STD.  The CDC Monkeypox page changed their tune from not contagious through touching objects in 2023, to contagious through touching objects in March 2024. Look up the archives.

You guys won't be happy until you've turned total control over to governments to inject you with anything they want, any time they want, as much as they want.

Sooner or later, you or a family member will have a serious and lasting adverse event, not to mention the constant low-grade damage to your health.

I don't understand why you're all okay with this and astonishingly - openly advocating for loss of medical bodily autonomy for everybody.

And don't tell me "They would never do that."  Because they just did.  And you let them.

Some of us don't want ourselves or our children to be human lab rats.  And I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt any longer  "Oh, they mean well...."   "They tried."    "They hoped it would work...."

 

 

 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

I think people need to remember COVID-19 was a new virus.

It was still a coronavirus. Coronaviruses are gonna coronavirus like they always do.

The only part that was "novel" was the engineered part - the funky cleavage site using human ACE-2 receptors to make it more transmissible between humans. 

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It was still a coronavirus. Coronaviruses are gonna coronavirus like they always do.

The only part that was "novel" was the engineered part - the funky cleavage site using human ACE-2 receptors to make it more transmissible between humans. 

Weird. I wonder if there's a cheap, off-patent drug that bonds to those ACE-2 receptors. Maybe an ivermectin, or HCQ or something. 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Weird. I wonder if there's a cheap, off-patent drug that bonds to those ACE-2 receptors. Maybe an ivermectin, or HCQ or something. 

Ask and you shall receive:

Ivermectin Docks to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Receptor-binding Domain Attached to ACE2 - PubMed (nih.gov)

Molecular Docking Reveals Ivermectin and Remdesivir as Potential Repurposed Drugs Against SARS-CoV-2 - PubMed (nih.gov)

The mechanisms of action of ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2—an extensive review - PMC (nih.gov)

Binding behavior of receptor binding domain of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and ivermectin | Scientific Reports (nature.com)

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Ask and you shall receive:

Ivermectin Docks to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Receptor-binding Domain Attached to ACE2 - PubMed (nih.gov)

Molecular Docking Reveals Ivermectin and Remdesivir as Potential Repurposed Drugs Against SARS-CoV-2 - PubMed (nih.gov)

The mechanisms of action of ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2—an extensive review - PMC (nih.gov)

Binding behavior of receptor binding domain of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and ivermectin | Scientific Reports (nature.com)

Sounds profitable. I bet that Pfizer and Moderna could make BILLIONS selling Ivermectin and Remdesivir!

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Sounds profitable. I bet that Pfizer and Moderna could make BILLIONS selling Ivermectin and Remdesivir!

Unfortunately, no.  IVM is cheap like aspirin and just as safe.  No money in it.

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Unfortunately, no.  IVM is cheap like aspirin and just as safe.  No money in it.

🤔 if only there was a way to squeeze tens of billions of dollars in profits out of this....

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's a good pause for thought, but TBH:

1. the magnitude of the consequence of the lies, 
2. the level of deception involved
3. the extent to which lies were coordinated
4. the counterintuitive nature of all the accepted beliefs and choices made 
5. the forcefulness of the lies and the crusade against facts and honest discussions
6. the unwillingness to look back on it al with a critical eye

all point towards malice.

They point to intent but I'm not sure that the intent is malice. It seems more believable to me that they did something amazingly stupid and wrong and when by accident that suddenly had a massive consequence that infected the entire world they moved heaven and earth to cover it up. 

Honestly if you were going to do it intentionally why would you release it where you developed it. It would have been pretty easy to release it just about anywhere else in the world.

There was also the political element. Because of who was involved the democrats may have worn the problem if the truth had come out during an election cycle they were desperate to win.

There is no denying that there were significant lies and what appears to be a widespread and organized campaign to at least repress the truth during an election cycle. There's no doubt that the media and government agencies willingly and actively participated in that. Those are now known facts.

Honestly though while it is obviously too well organized not to be a coordinated effort, it's too sloppy to be well planned out. I think it got away from them unexpectedly, they suddenly realized what would happen if they got the blame for it, they moved heaven and earth to cover things up as best they could and also to prevent the republicans from getting back in and asking the wrong questions.