The horrors of abortion which our governments support

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, User said:

Man

Did you show us how a 5 year old child is literally identical to a 24 week old fetus. Can't seem to find it in your incoherent reply. 

A Fiero with a body kit is the same as a Ferrari, right? They both consume gas. Literally the same.

Dentures are the same as teeth. Both inside the mouth.

Radio, CD player. Identical. Both play music.

You remind me of this:

 

#user logic.

[Perspektiv]

On 8/17/2024 at 1:49 PM, cannuck said:

8 weeks after conception. 

Uh...

[User]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Radio

Video killed the radio star

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, User said:

Video killed the radio star

But if a fetus and 5 year old get killed, you're stating they are literally identical.

Heh, it rhymes. And you still can't explain  your logic.

[User]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

you're stating

Nope.

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, User said:

Lying.

Yup. 

[User]

6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Yup. 

Glad you admit it. 

[Perspektiv]

3 hours ago, User said:

Glad I admit it. 

Uh huh.

[User]

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Uh huh.

Changing quotes is just outright dishonest. Go talk to yourself in notepad if that is what you are going to do. 

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, User said:

Changing

You're not in a position to virtue signal.

Remember, you don't believe women have rights and that a 5 year old child is literally the same as a 24 week fetus.

It would be like buying grapes from a crackhead, thinking you got a deal. 

[cannuck]

On 8/21/2024 at 7:45 PM, Perspektiv said:

Uh...

I appologize for writing such a lengthy and technically difficult reply that you clearly can't understand.

[blackbird]

On 8/17/2024 at 10:49 AM, cannuck said:

Every time this topic comes up it brings me back to what I believe is THE core issue: a reasonable and supportable definition of when human life begins and ends.  Get that right and a LOT of things are easy to reach compromise on.  If I had to choose a starting point, it would probably be 8 weeks after conception.   I might prefer same day, but somewhere along the line we have to come up with reasonable and workable compromise.

You don't determine when life begins by pulling a number out of a hat.  Human life is defined by God who created it and revealed when it begins to us in the Holy Scripture.  This has been known for several thousand years.  It is wise to understand we are living in a godless world of anti-God people who think they can define when life begins,  how it can be lived, and how it can end by their own humanistic reasoning.  But really to understand this subject, one needs to be born again by faith in Jesus Christ and his written revelation, in English, the King James Bible (1611).  The New Testament is entirely based on the Textus Receptus, or Received Text.

Watch some videos at:

ltbs.tv    (Let the Bible Speak)

[blackbird]

On 8/16/2024 at 1:22 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I have to speak out here as a Catholic.

Just wondering.  We were discussing the horrors that happened in history, but that really ignores the central issue.

What about salvation?

I just came across a good summary of what some Protestant churches profess.  These would be Presbyterian or Reformed Churches.  I don't agree with everything they believe, but on this central issue, I would agree.  I would prefer a fundamental Baptist Church which believes in Dispensational Theology and the King James Bible only.  But the parts I quote I think most Christian churches would agree with.  So I am just using this particular part for the topic and not recommending a particular denomination. This sums it up from the True Life Bible Presbyterian Church based in Singapore.

quote

We believe that man was created in the image of God, but sinned through the fall of Adam, thereby incurring not only physical death but also spiritual death, which is separation from God and that all human beings are born with a sinful nature and become sinners in thought, word and deed (Gen 1:26-27; Rom 3:19-20, 5:12, 6:23);

4.2.6
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died a propitiatory and expiatory death as a representative and substitutionary sacrifice, and that all who repent of their sins and believe in Him are justified before God on the grounds of His shed blood (Rom 5:8-11; 1 John 2:2; 1 Pet 1:18-19);

4.2.7We believe in the bodily resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His ascension into Heaven, and in His exaltation at the right hand of God, where He intercedes for us as our High Priest and Advocate (1 Cor 15:1-4, 15-19; Phil 2:9-11; Heb. 3:1, 4:14-16);  unquote

Would you agree with that?  If not, where would you differ?  What do you believe about salvation?  Where does the Bible fit into your thinking?

Edited August 28 by blackbird

[taxme]

On 8/3/2024 at 9:24 PM, blackbird said:

This link is about the horrors of abortion.

Did you know preborn babies feel the pain of abortion?     

 

Horrors Of Abortion! (jesus-is-savior.com)

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Satan is laughing at all the gullible women who kill their own baby.

“I was told a lie from the pit of hell: that my baby was just a blob of tissue. The aftermath of abortion can be equally deadly for both mother and unborn child. A woman who has an abortion is sentenced to bear that for the rest of her life.” —Actor Jennifer O'Neill

Planned Parenthood Doctor Admits To Selling Aborted Baby Body Parts (Disturbing Video!)

“Thou shalt not kill.” —Exodus 20:13

 

Planned Parenthood Caught Red-Handed Selling Baby Body Parts! (Hell will be hot enough!)

Psalms 36:1,  “The transgression of the wicked saith
within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes.”

The American Holocaust: Abortion

http://www.lovethetruth.com/jis_images/slaughtered_child-abortion.jpg

Satan Laughs as mothers murder their own babies in the name of “freedom of choice”; 

Please notice that the Holy Bible says “THE BABE LEAPED,” not the fetus...
Luke 1:44, “For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation
sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.”

  

Black Lives Matter Hypocrites Say Its Okay To Kill Lives In The Womb, But Not On The Street!

 

According to the Taxpayer's Federation of Canada, they have mentioned on their website that our own dear Marxist dictator in Ottawa has been sending billions of out tax dollars to other countries to help promote abortion. The more that this buffoon in Ottawa keeps borrowing money from the banksters, the more inflation will keep going higher. This is your tax dollars at work.  ☹️

[Zeitgeist]

On 8/28/2024 at 2:30 PM, blackbird said:

Just wondering.  We were discussing the horrors that happened in history, but that really ignores the central issue.

What about salvation?

I just came across a good summary of what some Protestant churches profess.  These would be Presbyterian or Reformed Churches.  I don't agree with everything they believe, but on this central issue, I would agree.  I would prefer a fundamental Baptist Church which believes in Dispensational Theology and the King James Bible only.  But the parts I quote I think most Christian churches would agree with.  So I am just using this particular part for the topic and not recommending a particular denomination. This sums it up from the True Life Bible Presbyterian Church based in Singapore.

quote

We believe that man was created in the image of God, but sinned through the fall of Adam, thereby incurring not only physical death but also spiritual death, which is separation from God and that all human beings are born with a sinful nature and become sinners in thought, word and deed (Gen 1:26-27; Rom 3:19-20, 5:12, 6:23);

4.2.6
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died a propitiatory and expiatory death as a representative and substitutionary sacrifice, and that all who repent of their sins and believe in Him are justified before God on the grounds of His shed blood (Rom 5:8-11; 1 John 2:2; 1 Pet 1:18-19);

4.2.7We believe in the bodily resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His ascension into Heaven, and in His exaltation at the right hand of God, where He intercedes for us as our High Priest and Advocate (1 Cor 15:1-4, 15-19; Phil 2:9-11; Heb. 3:1, 4:14-16);  unquote

Would you agree with that?  If not, where would you differ?  What do you believe about salvation?  Where does the Bible fit into your thinking?

Yes I agree with those basic principles.  Humanity is in an imperfect fallen state.  The cause is disobedience, eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  I think that the Garden of Eden story is, much like the Tower of Babel story, about human arrogance and presuming to be God. When humans commit this act of hubris, a fall is inevitable, which is all the more reason to resist our narcissistic proud secular values.  This isn’t just storytelling.  There are many historic examples of humanity pretending to have all the answers and to know who is worthy and who isn’t.  The Holocaust is a great example.  He who forgets the sins of the past is likely to repeat them.  

Edited August 29 by Zeitgeist

[Gaétan]

A fetus is like a plant in the earth that is forming and growing, it's not because it hasn't come out of the ground that it doesn't have life in it so the media put false values in the heads of women or men and if a woman has an abortion it's murder no matter what they say. If a woman commits this murder, journalists will not go to hell in her place because they listened to them, and one has to wonder why they are propagandizing for abortion if it is not primarily a matter of big money. Let them leave the women alone. Having an unwanted child is a sacrifice they won't regret. It is through the narrow door, the most difficult, that one enters the Kingdom, not through the great door according to Jesus. I don't rely on religion but on justice. Justice is that one must not commit murder no matter what one says and there is no license for it, and I am a leftist.

[Venandi]

On 8/22/2024 at 1:03 AM, Perspektiv said:

But if a fetus and 5 year old get killed, you're stating they are literally identical.

That casts an interesting light on things when you consider that New Hampshire passed a bill in 2017 that defines a fetus at 20 weeks of development (and beyond) as a person for the criminal prosecution of murder. 

Sadly, it was prosecuted here for the first time in the spring of 2024... I'm not sure what became of it but the concept of legal standing as a person strikes me as interesting. 

If the woman in question had survived the attack but was actually on her way to an abortion clinic at the time, would (or should) the fetus still have standing and the law still apply?

If the answer becomes a function of "whether she wanted the baby or not" and a decision to prosecute is based solely on her choice, then IMO we have truly embarked on a dark path where personhood is a function of simply being wanted.

Edited September 26 by Venandi