blackbird Posted August 17 Author Report Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, herbie said: He hates Catholics as they're supposed to confess their sins to the priest, whereas he can't even admit them to himself. No, I don't hate Catholics herbie. I believe in knowing the truth in the Bible, the world, and what really happened in history. Having a false concept of things doesn't make one free. And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. " During World War II in Yugoslavia, the Ustaše went on to perpetrate the Holocaust and genocide against its Jewish, Serb and Roma populations,[23] killing hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews, Roma, as well as Bosniak Muslim and Croat political dissidents.[24][25][26][27] The ideology of the movement was a blend of fascism, Roman Catholicism and Croatian ultranationalism.[24] The Ustaše supported the creation of a Greater Croatia that would span the Drina River and extend to the border of Belgrade.[28] The movement advocated a racially "pure" Croatia and promoted genocide against Serbs—due to the Ustaše's anti-Serb sentiment—and Holocaust against Jews and Roma via Nazi racial theory, and persecution of anti-fascist or dissident Croats and Bosniaks. The Ustaše viewed the Bosniaks as "Muslim Croats", and as a result, Bosniaks were not persecuted on the basis of race.[29] The Ustaše espoused Roman Catholicism and Islam as the religions of the Croats and condemned Orthodox Christianity, which was the main religion of the Serbs. Roman Catholicism was identified with Croatian nationalism,[30] while Islam, which had a large following in Bosnia and Herzegovina, was praised by the Ustaše as the religion that "keeps true the blood of Croats."[31][page needed]" Ustaše - Wikipedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 (edited) 3 hours ago, blackbird said: This is from Wikipedia: " Phayer wrote that just after becoming dictator of Croatia and "after receiving a papal blessing in 1941, Ante Pavelić and his Ustaša lieutenants unleashed an unspeakable genocide in their new country."[9]" Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše - Wikipedia Photo of Ustashi leader Pavelic meeting with Archbishop Stepinac in 1941. - Wikipedia Again, you’re going to find examples of anti-Nazi heroism among Catholics. JP2 saved a boat load of Jews during the Holocaust. There were some Catholic political prisoners in Auswicz. Unfortunately there are many examples of collaboration with Nazis or an averting of one’s eyes away from highly probable bad actors and policies. Think of the Neo-Nazi Azov Brigade in Ukraine now. Those are the Nazis that we pretend are harmless as we arm Ukraine. Ford continued to make cars in Germany under Hitler. Bayer made Zyklon B. Krupp Steel made gas chambers. How far do you want to take this? Was the carpet bombing of Hamburg and Dresden the good kind of mass killing? Nagasaki? Hiroshima? Unfortunately we are sometimes forced to choose between bad choice A and really bad choice B, or we don’t see how some choices that appear good or are good in some ways are bad in others. I have wondered for a long time whether the institutions that we trust are what they say they are, but I can only act on what I know. I understand that where there are people there are bad seeds and corruption. All we can do is try to understand what’s happening and act on that basis, but I have misgivings about all organizations. It doesn’t stop me from working within organizations, because people organize in order to function effectively, not always for the better. Edited August 17 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 (edited) 6 hours ago, blackbird said: For many of them that may be true. However, remember, truth is not a popular thing and as Jesus said, many are called but few are chosen. Yes. A big challenge today is that we seem to have forgotten what good looks like and we don’t have leaders willing to point us in that direction or speak out against moral relativism. Today it’s all about affirming people’s “lived experience” rather than aspiring to be better. In fact, the good is mocked or attached to cynical denunciations of the “colonial” or “patriarchal”, as though that which has on the whole raised people up is deplorable. It’s the cultural rot of people who have stopped believing in themselves and their past achievements. The baby and our ability to reproduce ourselves are thrown out with the excuse of affordability, convenience, personal gratification, and “Why would I want to raise a child in this world?” etc. Well that philosophy has been affirmed by our governments in a society of collapsing birth rates. So you have your freedom to abort or have the state help you kill yourself or give free birth control to you and your kids. It just means that your cultural and ethnic group is dying off. Protestants are at the front line of that suicide mission. Catholics are also shooting themselves in the feet like never before. The Catholics in certain provinces held onto their constitutional right to Catholic education. The Anglicans, Presbyterians and other major Protestant Christian groups who ran our public education system took prayer out of schools. Virtually all schools have capitulated to the nebulous and dubious rainbow ideology. Protestantism? Catholicism? Buddy, we’re not going to have Christians soon, let alone sectarian conflict. Natives and Muslims have positive birth rates. We’re also bringing non-Christians into Canada in unprecedented high numbers. Their children will be running our governments. The pagan Olympic ceremonies and backlash riots in the UK are just the latest symptoms of our rapid decline. People have forgotten that the great institutions and civilizations of the West were built by people with specific values and beliefs. It didn’t just appear. Yet we seem determined to undermine the conditions that created the greatest civilization on Earth. Edited August 17 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 17 hours ago, Perspektiv said: This is your idea No, look who I was responding to. 17 hours ago, Perspektiv said: I don't respect their rights No, you don't. 18 hours ago, Perspektiv said: I support lawful abortions Only until you don't. Its a circular argument. 18 hours ago, Perspektiv said: See? I have eyes, yes. 18 hours ago, Perspektiv said: This is your idea of schooling me. I am glad you agree. 18 hours ago, Perspektiv said: lawful abortion being acceptable Circular. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Every time this topic comes up it brings me back to what I believe is THE core issue: a reasonable and supportable definition of when human life begins and ends. Get that right and a LOT of things are easy to reach compromise on. If I had to choose a starting point, it would probably be 8 weeks after conception. I might prefer same day, but somewhere along the line we have to come up with reasonable and workable compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 59 minutes ago, User said: No, you don't. Exactly, I don't condone the removal of her abortion rights. Glad you pointed that out. 1 hour ago, User said: No, look who I was responding to. I see nothing but petty arguments from you, and actual debated from others. Who you are responding to is rather irrelevant, since you bring nothing to the debate. 1 hour ago, User said: Only until you don't. That makes no sense. You're the one against abortion. 1 hour ago, User said: I have eyes, yes. But do you have vision? No. You could bring upon intelligent debates, if you did (vs strawman lazily concocted with lies). 1 hour ago, User said: I am glad you agree You still can't bring a better debate forward. Don't get mad at me, because you lose arguments then sulk like a baby. 1 hour ago, User said: Circular. Bring a better debate. I have learned something from most posters here. People debating you lose braincells as one must debate down to your level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 17 Author Report Share Posted August 17 (edited) 12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Protestants are at the front line of that suicide mission. Perhaps you meant "non-Catholics". Protestants are supposed to be Christians within the Protestant denominations. I think most, if they are really genuine, would oppose abortion, and the woke agenda. There are a couple denominations which are somewhat liberal but they are divided on same-sex marriage and possibly abortion. But evangelicals are opposed to the liberal ideology and are more Bible-oriented. But there are exceptions in every Protestant denomination. Protestants generally agree on basic beliefs. However, as you mentioned these days there is a falling away by many churches. Protestantism is not a top down controlled belief system. They are made of independent denominations and independent churches. That is why there is more variation in beliefs about some things. Many Protestant churches also have more control over their finances than the RCC. They hold annual general meetings where a statement of income and expenditures is given to everyone. They can question spending and speak to issues. I understand in the RCC nobody is given the financial information and the people are not permitted to be involved in that. Edited August 17 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 55 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: I don't condone the removal of her abortion rights. At 25 weeks you certainly do. 55 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: I see nothing Get some glasses. 56 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: You're the one against abortion. So are you. I am the one willing to speak out about it. 57 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: But do you have vision? No. Says the guy who sees nothing... 58 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: bring a better debate forward Don't need to. 58 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: lose braincells You must have lost a lot before you ever started with me... Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 On 8/3/2024 at 9:24 PM, blackbird said: This link is about the horrors of abortion. Did you know preborn babies feel the pain of abortion? Horrors Of Abortion! (jesus-is-savior.com) " Satan is laughing at all the gullible women who kill their own baby. “I was told a lie from the pit of hell: that my baby was just a blob of tissue. The aftermath of abortion can be equally deadly for both mother and unborn child. A woman who has an abortion is sentenced to bear that for the rest of her life.” —Actor Jennifer O'Neill Planned Parenthood Doctor Admits To Selling Aborted Baby Body Parts (Disturbing Video!) “Thou shalt not kill.” —Exodus 20:13 Planned Parenthood Caught Red-Handed Selling Baby Body Parts! (Hell will be hot enough!) Psalms 36:1, “The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes.” The American Holocaust: Abortion Satan Laughs as mothers murder their own babies in the name of “freedom of choice”; Black Lives Matter Hypocrites Say Its Okay To Kill Lives In The Womb, But Not On The Street! 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Perhaps you meant "non-Catholics". Protestants are supposed to be Christians within the Protestant denominations. I think most, if they are really genuine, would oppose abortion, and the woke agenda. There are a couple denominations which are somewhat liberal but they are divided on same-sex marriage and possibly abortion. But evangelicals are opposed to the liberal ideology and are more Bible-oriented. But there are exceptions in every Protestant denomination. Protestants generally agree on basic beliefs. However, as you mentioned these days there is a falling away by many churches. Protestantism is not a top down controlled belief system. They are made of independent denominations and independent churches. That is why there is more variation in beliefs about some things. Many Protestant churches also have more control over their finances than the RCC. They hold annual general meetings where a statement of income and expenditures is given to everyone. They can question spending and speak to issues. I understand in the RCC nobody is given the financial information and the people are not permitted to be involved in that. Actually my parish has annual/quarterly financial reports. It’s pretty transparent. I agree that it hasn’t always been this way, including at the Vatican. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 17 hours ago, User said: At 25 weeks you certainly do. You're grasping at straws, as this isn't a denial of her right to have an abortion. You have yet to point out where that it is. You can't. A strawman to be exact. 17 hours ago, User said: Get some glasses. Get comprehension skills. Debate skills, where your argument, not your strawman attempts or insults hold more weight. 17 hours ago, User said: Says the guy who sees nothing.. ..but an inferior debater trying to strawman their way out of the hole they have dug themselves into. Failed, so are now having a tantrum. 17 hours ago, User said: Don't need to. You're unable to, being the operative word here. 17 hours ago, User said: You must have lost a lot before you ever started with me... You can't even hold your debates together, so resort to personal insults as its the only thing you're good at. You're even losing at that. O_o Not only with me, but with every single other poster you have drawn down to your working level. Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change. You're still trying to mud sling, vs debate. Then you sulk, and throw tantrums via taking my posts well out of context, to tell yourself you can debate. Who does this? Thats like the kid that needs a head start in school. You're a failure in real life, and you're failing here at debate. The bar is quite low might I add but you would still need a scissor lift to get up to it. You should be ashamed of yourself. Let me get this straight. You choose to come to a website, solely for the purpose to get into fights with people. This is your satisfaction. You're not in a position to question the comprehension or intellect of others. Certainly not their moral makeup o_O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 On 8/18/2024 at 8:23 AM, Perspektiv said: straws Straws? I like the plastic ones. On 8/18/2024 at 8:23 AM, Perspektiv said: Get ... skills. I have nunchuck skills On 8/18/2024 at 8:23 AM, Perspektiv said: inferior debater I am a master debater On 8/18/2024 at 8:23 AM, Perspektiv said: You're unable to Unable to what? On 8/18/2024 at 8:23 AM, Perspektiv said: resort to personal insults Did you have a point? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 20 hours ago, User said: Straws? Yeah, strawman. Like the main debate skills you have. 20 hours ago, User said: I have nunchuck skills No debate skills. No accident you omitted it. 20 hours ago, User said: I am a master debater The master debating you're good at, is done with hand lotion and peering under your mothers bathroom door while she showers. 20 hours ago, User said: Unable to what? Debate. Refute my argument with a better one without reverting to strawman arguments. 20 hours ago, User said: Did you have a point? Yup. I think a woman has the right to abortion. You feel that right stops the moment there are standards in play, to obtaining one. That's like saying having red lights and stop signs is a denial of movement. Thats a "sovereign citizen" type of argument. You're scared to debate, so try to tell yourself you are a better debater without the actual debating taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 7 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Yeah Yeah indeed! 8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: No debate Thanks! 8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: The master I am! 8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Refute my argument Done! 8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Yup. So, what is it then? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 3 hours ago, User said: So, what is it then? Your argument that a 24 week fetus is no different than a 5 year old. Meaning, killing either should warrant life in prison. You're petrified, so are running from your own weak argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 23 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Your argument Where? 24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Meaning Try again. 29 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: your own Nope Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 (edited) 15 hours ago, User said: Where? You know what I am saying is true. 15 hours ago, User said: Try again. The point was made. Deep down, every single word about you is spot on. That sinking feeling you're experiencing right now, is you knowing it. Good enough for me. 15 hours ago, User said: Nope I can respond to everything you say with a better argument. You run, and right now the one word answers (like what you're about to post...in cue in..), is you running online, but in the same breath trying to save face, by pretending you're not being humiliated by a better argument. You're used to facing weak resistance to your BS. So you've been rendered useless. Maybe consider changing your user name? The stage is yours, to prove my point. Please don't disappoint us. Edited August 21 by Perspektiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 3 hours ago, Perspektiv said: You know No 3 hours ago, Perspektiv said: The point was made. No 3 hours ago, Perspektiv said: I can respond LOL, definitely no. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, User said: 5 hours ago, Perspektiv said: You know No Glad you agree. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Glad you agree. 🤣 That is what I have been saying. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 2 hours ago, User said: That is what I have been saying. Lies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 28 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Lies? Nope Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 10 minutes ago, User said: Nope That was rhetorical. You were that kid on the short school bus that needed to wear a seatbelt. You clearly have zero debate skills, nor can you debate your way out of a wet paper bag, with a chainsaw. You run and hide, instinctively when properly challenged. I feel sorry for you. I have in debate, made you my girlfriend. O_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 User: 5 year olds are no different than a 24 week old fetus. Also User: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 3 hours ago, Perspektiv said: User: Man, you are still upset over that... Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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