blackbird Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 (edited) " Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault boasted last year that the federal government has committed more than $200 billion of taxpayers’ money to addressing climate change in more than 100 government programs. Among other polices, this includes a carbon pricing system for large industrial emitters, a cap on emissions in the oil and gas sector, methane regulations, clean fuel and clean electricity regulations, green energy tax credits, electric vehicle mandates, subsidies for people who buy EVs and more." What is tragic about this is a fraction of this kind of money would have made a significant difference to improving the health care systems in all provinces, where it is currently in a crisis. Emergency rooms are shutting down in various towns and cities in B.C. for one or two days endangering people's lives. They must drive or be driven sometimes an hour or more to the nearest ER. A fraction of this 200 billion dollars could also have gone a long way to building up the Canadian Forces and meeting the NATO 2% of GDP commitment. There are many other desperate needs in Canada too such as the housing crisis and the need for rehabilitation centres for drug addicts, rapid transit expansion in the major cities and solving the crime and catch and release crisis, perhaps with more treatment centres or mental institutions. The real tragedy is this 200 billion dollars of taxpayer money is not going to make the slightest difference to global CO2 emissions or climate change. EDITORIAL: PM’s climate plan costs $200 billion (msn.com) Edited July 31 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 To paraphrase Vonnegut, We'll be the first civilization to collapse because it wasn't cost effective to save ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 18 hours ago, herbie said: To paraphrase Vonnegut, We'll be the first civilization to collapse because it wasn't cost effective to save ourselves. The small reduction in GDP in 2100 due to climate change won't damage us nearly as badly as the larger reduction today thanks to Trudeau and Singh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 18 hours ago, herbie said: To paraphrase Vonnegut, We'll be the first civilization to collapse because it wasn't cost effective to save ourselves. You're being challenged. Why not break the cycle of this thread and cite a study? I would do it but I am in transit. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 Why bother? I mean we just heard theidea we should reduce spending on climate change to buy more guns FFS. Facts and reason have no effect on the wilfully ignorant. The why fix the furnace today when it isn't winter yet crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Why not break the cycle of this thread and cite a study? I would do it but I am in transit. Well worth the wait ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted July 31 Author Report Share Posted July 31 (edited) 21 hours ago, herbie said: To paraphrase Vonnegut, We'll be the first civilization to collapse because it wasn't cost effective to save ourselves. If you think civilization is doing the wrong thing using fossil fuels, you better stop driving. This article says in B.C. forest fires emit two to three times more greenhouse gases than man does using fossil fuels. So much for the claim carbon tax helps reduce global warming. Edited August 1 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted July 31 Author Report Share Posted July 31 (edited) According to this article Canada's forests emit more carbon than they absorb. Dead rotting trees, insect infestations, and forest fires emit carbon. Canada's forests actually emit more carbon than they absorb — despite what you've heard on Facebook | CBC News So tell us again how planting a massive number of trees is going to affect CO2 levels and climate change? Edited July 31 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, blackbird said: This article says in B.C. forest fires emit two to three times more greenhouse gases than man does using fossil fuels. Like saying don't blame the match, the house fire was way bigger than the match flame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 2 Author Report Share Posted August 2 Let nature take its course and learn to prepare for forest forest and flooding, etc. Man is never going to control the climate or seasons of the year. Everyone should have known this from the beginning. Some things God has dominion over. Man tried several thousand years ago to build a stairway to heaven. It didn't work of course and God scattered mankind throughout the earth and confounded his language so there are many languages. Today man foolishly turned his back on God and is saying I can be like God and control the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 On 7/31/2024 at 4:52 PM, blackbird said: If you think civilization is doing the wrong thing using fossil fuels, you better stop driving. This article says in B.C. forest fires emit two to three times more greenhouse gases than man does using fossil fuels. So much for the claim carbon tax helps reduce global warming. And why are the forests burning? 8 minutes ago, blackbird said: Let nature take its course and learn to prepare for forest forest and flooding, etc. Man is never going to control the climate or seasons of the year. Everyone should have known this from the beginning. Some things God has dominion over. Man tried several thousand years ago to build a stairway to heaven. It didn't work of course and God scattered mankind throughout the earth and confounded his language so there are many languages. Today man foolishly turned his back on God and is saying I can be like God and control the universe. We are controlling the climate and not in a good way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 2 Author Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: And why are the forests burning? That should be obvious. Nature is taking its course. There have always been forest fires and we may be having more of them because of a warming climate. But the point is climate change is something that always occurred. Man doesn't cause it and cannot control it. We need to concentrate on adapting to it. 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: We are controlling the climate and not in a good way. No, man does not control the climate. As I said it is natural just like the sunshine, the rain, and the snow. At one time in the past, if you asked an elementary school child, who controls the climate, he might have said God controls it or it is natural. Today, the new ideology is Mother Earth worship and man is a kind of god that can control everything. Edited August 2 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 2 Author Report Share Posted August 2 16 minutes ago, Aristides said: We are controlling the climate and not in a good way. If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, you leave yourself open to any kind of ideology or spirits. That is the nature of fallen man since Adam and Eve rebelled against God in the garden of Eden. The only solution is to feed on God's written revelation, the King James Bible and believe in Jesus Christ. That is the only defense against the false ideology and lying spirits of this age we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 2 Author Report Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Aristides said: And why are the forests burning? We are controlling the climate and not in a good way. That is your mantra as you repeat what somebody else said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 $200 billion could have gone a long way to purchasing water bombers for Canada or fixing the 100 yr old sewer system in Toronto to help with flooding issues and upgrading Calgary's water system. I'd rather see the money go to actually improving infrastructure and better forest management, than into the pockets of billionaires and politicians. I'm for adapting to climate change, no matter what the cause is. It's what humans have always done - adapt. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 4 hours ago, Goddess said: $200 billion could have gone a long way to Building a 3m dike along all the length of Canada's seashore. How about not spending money on polio vaccines to pay for more iron lungs, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 1 minute ago, herbie said: Building a 3m dike along all the length of Canada's seashore. How about not spending money on polio vaccines to pay for more iron lungs, too? Are you okay? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 On 7/31/2024 at 7:02 PM, herbie said: Why bother? I mean we just heard theidea we should reduce spending on climate change to buy more guns FFS. Facts and reason have no effect on the wilfully ignorant. The why fix the furnace today when it isn't winter yet crowd. Well at least defence is based on facts and figures, and is proven to boost economies, create new tech, provide good paying jobs to Canadians....but then again your so short sighted and willfully ignorant , that spending on defence means nothing more than buying guns...when it provides this nation with so much more, it serves Canadians through floods, disasters, fires, it moves entire communities out of danger, it polices our fishing grounds, hunts done drug ships moving drugs into our country, it assists with armed interventions such as Oka, provides security at almost every major event this country has... ie Olympics, G-20 conferences, you name it...So it is more than just guns...it's about providing everyday support to Canadians... Instead we should spend 200 Billion dollars on a theory that can not be proven any more than big foot exist....and if not guns, what about our health care, our immigration system, our justice system, our other national security apparatus, our vets, our homeless, our education system...NAH....much to complicated for you to contemplate....lets spend it on a theory we might burn up one day.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 6 hours ago, Aristides said: And why are the forests burning? We are controlling the climate and not in a good way. Becasue some ****** started a fire, or in mother natures side lighten strikes...very few had any thing to do with climate change... How can we be controlling something not even proven to exist ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Well at least defence is based on facts and figures Deny enough and maybe your house won't be next to burn? Is that like praying is for atheist deniers, get on your knees and deny even louder and harder? Maybe take Goddess's advice and save save save up our money to deal with the effects instead of prevention? Keep on smoking to earn more taxes to pay for those lung transplants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 4 minutes ago, herbie said: Deny enough and maybe your house won't be next to burn? Is that like praying is for atheist deniers, get on your knees and deny even louder and harder? Maybe take Goddess's advice and save save save up our money to deal with the effects instead of prevention? Keep on smoking to earn more taxes to pay for those lung transplants? more leftist BS, when in doubt lets all run around in tight circles with our hair on fire yelling the end is near ... what have you spent in regards to prevention ? like most people on the left most likely nothing, your job or part is fulfilled screaming ......Sorry don't smoke, Rarely drink...although the government sends me my monthly supply of gummies" thanks for that" Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 7 hours ago, blackbird said: That should be obvious. Nature is taking its course. There have always been forest fires and we may be having more of them because of a warming climate. But the point is climate change is something that always occurred. Man doesn't cause it and cannot control it. We need to concentrate on adapting to it. No, man does not control the climate. As I said it is natural just like the sunshine, the rain, and the snow. At one time in the past, if you asked an elementary school child, who controls the climate, he might have said God controls it or it is natural. Today, the new ideology is Mother Earth worship and man is a kind of god that can control everything. Yes we do, by changing the composition of the atmosphere we are changing the climate. Forests are burning because of drought and higher temperatures which are exacerbated by the amount of CO2, methane and other gases we are injecting into it. People like you will ignore it until that is no longer possible and it directly affects you. You don't think the climate is changing? Just ask a farmer. Edited August 2 by Aristides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: more leftist BS, when in doubt lets all run around in tight circles with our hair on fire yelling the end is near ... WTF does left or right got to do with Climate, unless you're pigeonholing all right wingers to be deniers yourself? Not outright claiming the end is near, pointing out you can see it coming with your own eyes. If you care to open them. And how it makes sense to step out of the way of oncoming trains instead of after they run you over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 3 Report Share Posted August 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, Aristides said: Yes we do, by changing the composition of the atmosphere we are changing the climate. Forests are burning because of drought and higher temperatures which are exacerbated by the amount of CO2, methane and other gases we are injecting into it. People like you will ignore it until that is no longer possible and it directly affects you. You don't think the climate is changing? Just ask a farmer. On the fires, man ( fire services)screwed up by putting out the fires over the last 100 yrs. Give or take. And not letting mother nature do her job, of cleaning up the bush. So the yrs and yrs of fuel build up on the forest floors, makes it burn hotter and faster. Edited August 3 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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