Montreal: People sleeping on the sidewalk

[August1991]

Mostly men. Older.

They have alcohol/drug addictions.

[ExFlyer]

Duhhh,

People sleeping on streets are of all ages and in all cities and been there for a long time.

Point?

[Akalupenn]

Yeah, I’ve seen that as well. It’s really hard to see people sleeping on the sidewalks, especially when it’s freezing outside. A couple of years ago, I started volunteering at a local shelter, and it’s been eye-opening to see the kind of support people need. If you’re looking to help, donating to shelters or even just volunteering a few hours can make a difference.

[500channelsurfer]

It is often concluded in studies that housing the homeless is cheaper than leaving them on the streets, with housing increasing employment opportunities while decreasing law enforcement and health care costs, among many, of having homeless.

Yet there has been no one-size-fits all solution. Homeless solution requires mental health, drug addiction, and many other expertises, while also funding the housing itself.

[August1991]

On 7/25/2024 at 3:01 PM, ExFlyer said:

Duhhh,

People sleeping on streets are of all ages and in all cities and been there for a long time.

Point?

In poor countries, I understand. (ExFlyer, have you been to a poor country?)

In Canada, the people are not sleeping on the street because they are poor.

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Point?

In Canada, these people have dogs, tattoos and have money to buy paint to spray graffiti.

[ExFlyer]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

In poor countries, I understand. (ExFlyer, have you been to a poor country?)

In Canada, the people are not sleeping on the street because they are poor.

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Point?

In Canada, these people have dogs, tattoos and have money to buy paint to spray graffiti.

Still do not get your point.
Yes, I have traveled and yes, people are living in the streets in Canada  but they are in European countries, in the US as well as Canada.

Poor? Because they have tattoos, and dogs they are not poor? Oh and, they all spray graffiti? LOL How a person spends what money they have is not for you to approve or condemn.

Plus, there may be other reasons for them to be living on the streets.

You are very judgmental and unaware.

[DUI_Offender]

On 7/25/2024 at 11:58 AM, August1991 said:

Mostly men. Older.

They have alcohol/drug addictions.

This is just not true. The homeless tend to be younger...average age 20s.

This happens in every city in Canada. Edmonton is really bad.

 

[DUI_Offender]

On 8/16/2024 at 8:59 PM, August1991 said:

In Canada, the people are not sleeping on the street because they are poor.

What a bunch of BS. The homeless tend to be poor, mentally/physically handicapped, with trauma and addiction issues. 

On 8/16/2024 at 8:59 PM, August1991 said:

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In Canada, these people have dogs, tattoos and have money to buy paint to spray graffiti.

So what?

Does having a tattoo disqualify one from being poor?  You obviously have no contact with the homeless population. 

[August1991]

8 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

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Does having a tattoo disqualify one from being poor?  You obviously have no contact with the homeless population. 

Money for a dog. spray paint, tattoo - you're not poor.

The issue is not poverty.

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Old guys don't spray graffiti. Young (rich, white) guys do.

Why?

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Money for a dog. spray paint, tattoo - you're not poor.

The issue is not poverty.

 

Ridiculous statement. A tattoo costs a fraction of rent. 

Strikes me that you probably don't know what rent is these days? 

I moderate local Facebook groups and they are filled with people who say they're getting evicted, and are looking for a room at an impossibly low rate. They didn't think about the housing market until they were forced to.

Could you afford $1200 rent with $1800/month pay?

People are strikingly unaware of what's happening.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ridiculous statement. A tattoo costs a fraction of rent. 

Strikes me that you probably don't know what rent is these days? 

I moderate local Facebook groups and they are filled with people who say they're getting evicted, and are looking for a room at an impossibly low rate. They didn't think about the housing market until they were forced to.

Could you afford $1200 rent with $1800/month pay?

People are strikingly unaware of what's happening.

indeed

unfortunately people are starting to scapegoat the immigrants

rather than recognizing that the real culprit is a massive inflation of the money supply

it's like, the price of apples is a dollar

then the government prints a dollar for every person and hands that out

the next day, the price of apples is two dollars

[DUI_Offender]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

indeed

unfortunately people are starting to scapegoat the immigrants

rather than recognizing that the real culprit is a massive inflation of the money supply

it's like, the price of apples is a dollar

then the government prints a dollar for every person and hands that out

the next day, the price of apples is two dollars

It's not scapegoating the immigrant.  The fault ultimately lies with the Government, who allows too many new Canadians to enter the country. We don't have the necessarily housing to accommodate all the new immigrants. So prices rise, services are taxed, and resources strained. However, if Trudeau and the Government would just allow a cap of 1% of the population of Canada annually to come to Canada (410,000), this would not be happening.

So indirectly,the prices rising and the lack of affordable units are the result of too many migrants to Canada. 

[Dougie93]

42 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

So indirectly,the prices rising and the lack of affordable units are the result of too many migrants to Canada. 

again tho, the idea that the government can actually control the borders or how many immigrants are here ?

I would say that is a wrong assumption

the government is so dysfunctional at this point, they are not even in control anymore

it's not even about what party you vote for

because the bureaucracy is what actually runs the government

and the bureaucracy is completely f*cked,

all they do is obsess about Woke DEI all day every day, because its actually a religious cult

so just because some corrupt politician orders something to be done

that doesn't mean in actually happens

in fact the opposite is the case, the bureaucrats generally ignore the politicians

the public sector unionized bureaucrats are in fact Woke Progressives

who believe that there should be open borders and no restrictions on immigration at all

and they can and will sabotage any attempts by the government to restrict migration

public sector unionized employees are far left wing lunatic kooks

don't underestimate their willingness to do completely crazy shit for their religious cult'

every institution in Canada has been overrun by these blue haired nutjobs

 the immigration being out of control therein is not by mistake, it is by design

haven't you noticed that immigration is out of control everywhere ?

America, Britain, Canada, all with immigration out of control in the same way at the same time

and anybody who opposes it

is said to be "far right" and subject to criminal charges for "hate speech" ?

that is not a failure, that is ideology

thus I would suggest that it is totally naive to think that mass immigration is going to be constrained

I would surmise the opposite is going to happen, in that you ain't seen nothing yet

what you've seen so far is just the tip of the iceberg

bear in mind that these left wing Utopian ideological cult members don't care about the econony

they are totally oblivious to those concerns

they will simply respond by saying that all that matters is Climate Change

then they would just start babbling on about "Indigenous & Feminist ways of knowing"

like wake up and smell the coffee, bro

the government of Canada has become cuckoo bananas land

Edited August 20 by Dougie93

[DUI_Offender]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

again tho, the idea that the government can actually control the borders or how many immigrants are here ?

I would say that is a wrong assumption

The Gov't can control the amount of people that come to Canada.

lol...if the Canadian Government announced tomorrow that effective October 1, they ewill only admit 10,000 new Canadians per month...how are others going to get through, aside from a handful that come from the US?

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

 

and they can and will sabotage any attempts by the government to restrict migration

That is not going to happen. If the Government will not let people into Canada, they will not come. We have two giant oceans on each side of our country. The only way that is possible would be for a huge influx of refugees from the US, and that is not going to happen. 

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

 

haven't you noticed that immigration is out of control everywhere ?

It's worse in Canada than in any other developed nation in the World. 

[herbie]

On 8/19/2024 at 5:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Could you afford $1200 rent with $1800/month pay?

Could you even find $1200 rental places. More like ask if they could afford $2200 rent on $1800 pay. Let alone on Social Assistance pay.

 

[August1991]

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Ridiculous statement. A tattoo costs a fraction of rent. 

Strikes me that you probably don't know what rent is these days? 

I moderate local Facebook groups and they are filled with people who say they're getting evicted, and are looking for a room at an impossibly low rate. They didn't think about the housing market until they were forced to.

Could you afford $1200 rent with $1800/month pay?

People are strikingly unaware of what's happening.

Michael

If a person can feed a dog or pay for a tattoo, they are not "poor".

 

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, August1991 said:

Michael

If a person can feed a dog or pay for a tattoo, they are not "poor".

 

Arguing semantics is the least interesting activity on a forum.

They are not starving. They can probably afford drugs, drink, some things. 

Is that sufficient now? They have their freedom to live In urban squalor, so our national project is therefore complete?

[Guest]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

If a person can feed a dog or pay for a tattoo, they are not "poor".

Is that the new standard?

I thought it was if they couldn't afford a place to live, even in the most basic of conditions.

Also, I have seen some of these tattoos. 

Now if you can get a tattoo sleeve from someone like Mr Cartoon, then you have a point:

Also, you can get dog food relatively cheap.

[August1991]

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Ridiculous statement. A tattoo costs a fraction of rent. 

.....

People are strikingly unaware of what's happening.

Disagree.

Truly poor people do not have tattoos, or dogs. They do not paint graffiti. Not in the way that rich people in Montreal do.

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I was recently in Asia - a very poor Asian country. Cats may wander around where they live. Cats are well treated.

Edited August 27 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

36 minutes ago, August1991 said:

1. Disagree.

2. Truly poor people do not have tattoos, or dogs. They do not paint graffiti. Not in the way that rich people in Montreal do.

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3. I was recently in Asia - a very poor Asian country. Cats may wander around where they live. Cats are well treated.

1. Average tattoo cost for a medium sized tattoo= $200

https://tattoostudiopro.com/tattoo-prices/#:~:text=Generally%2C small tattoos can cost,and large tattoos over %24250.

Low average for rent in Montreal= $1281

https://www.centris.ca/en/blog/real-estate/average-rent-for-montreal-apartments-in-2024

$200/$1281 as a percentage = 15.61 %

Proven: a tattoo costs a fraction of rent.

(In Ontario, we use math)

2. I don't think that you can say that these people aren't poor.  You don't know if they are or not.  Believe it or not, poor people can also make poor spending decisions.

3. Chauncey Gardener spoke this way in Being There.

[Chrissy1979]

I wonder if it's possible for someone to get a tattoo while they have a job, lose that job, become poor, and still have that tattoo.

[herbie]

Only costs a couple EI cheques to have it removed. Remember to shave, shower & shampoo and put on a tie before you tag that box car.

[Guest]

23 hours ago, August1991 said:

Truly poor people

That is an interesting way of viewing homeless people.

Reminds me of someone I knew who would say stuff like:

"There's gay, and then there's *says it with a deeper voice* gay."

Whenever I see proper poor, or proper anything, it brings me back to my days working in the UK:

"Oi, the club is not in Liverpool near Birkenhead, its proper downtown bruv".

 As a Canadian, this didn't tell me anything. 

[August1991]

On 8/28/2024 at 5:52 PM, Perspektiv said:

That is an interesting way of viewing homeless people.

...

IME, most homeless people are men, older. They have drug problems.

And then there are the drunk Indians: women and men.

Trudeau Jnr wants to solve this problem by giving them more money.

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Perspektiv,

I see this every day in Montreal. The police are not a social service.

Edited September 2 by August1991

[August1991]

On 8/28/2024 at 10:02 AM, Chrissy1979 said:

I wonder if it's possible for someone to get a tattoo while they have a job, lose that job, become poor, and still have that tattoo.

Interesting question.

Unlike skin colour, you chose to have a tattoo.

I reckon that the State should discriminate among people with tattoos.