blackbird Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 (edited) quote Trump slams Biden's 'barely understandable' speech on his private jet©REUTERS He touched on the border crisis and U.S. relationship with Israel at his first event since Harris became his presumed general election opponent. But leading Trump's list of attacks was Harris' record on abortion – even though the issue is seen as something that could be his downfall among women voters in swing states . 'She wants abortions in the eighth and ninth month of pregnancy – that's fine with her,' Trump said of Harris, who he called a 'lunatic' to massive jeers from a crowd of 10,000 gathered at Bojangles Coliseum in Charlotte. He continued: 'Right up until birth and even after birth the execution of a baby. Because that's not abortion that's the execution of a baby.' unquote Trump slams Biden's 'barely understandable' speech on his private jet (msn.com) The Bible is clear about pre-born babies being humans and the ten commandments in the Bible say "thou shalt not kill". What Does the Bible Say About The Fetus Being Human? (openbible.info) Edited July 25 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 What the Bible says is NOT relevant to US law. We don't have "Christian Sharia law" HERE no matter how much some people want that. 🤮 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, robosmith said: What the Bible says is NOT relevant to US law. We don't have "Christian Sharia law" HERE no matter how much some people want that. 🤮 I thought you guys would be fine with Sharia law in the US? 😉 2 1 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted July 25 Author Report Share Posted July 25 We have lots of unregenerate people on their way to hell. They don't care about human life and could care less about what God says in the Bible. Those who are born again and saved should pray for them. Hopefully they will realize their folly before it is too late and learn the truth in the Bible. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, ironstone said: I thought you guys would be fine with Sharia law in the US? 😉 I know you didn't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 45 minutes ago, blackbird said: We have lots of unregenerate people on their way to hell. They don't care about human life and could care less about what God says in the Bible. Those who are born again and saved should pray for them. Hopefully they will realize their folly before it is too late and learn the truth in the Bible. It takes a lot more than DNA to create a human. Esp one with humanity. Freedom of religion means no one else has to believe YOURS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 To be fair, anything that people care about is an election issue. But I know what you're saying: Dems want to pretend that abortion and global warming are more important than the economy, the border, Fentanyl, WWIII, war in Europe, and war in the ME. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 3 hours ago, robosmith said: What the Bible says is NOT relevant to US law. We don't have "Christian Sharia law" HERE no matter how much some people want that. 🤮 Actually it does, you f*cking heathen. US Law is derived from Christian principles. In fact, Christianity is the only thing standing between sh*theads like you and ACTUAL Sharia law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, blackbird said: We have lots of unregenerate people on their way to hell. They don't care about human life and could care less about what God says in the Bible. Those who are born again and saved should pray for them. Hopefully they will realize their folly before it is too late and learn the truth in the Bible. F*ck your Bible and your bullshit god. 1 Quote America...."the worlds largest, best-armed shopping mall."-Ivor Tossell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 8 minutes ago, Deluge said: Actually it does, you f*cking heathen. US Law is derived from Christian principles. In fact, Christianity is the only thing standing between sh*theads like you and ACTUAL Sharia law. ^Obviously NOT a real Christian. WWJD? NOT ^this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Just now, robosmith said: ^Obviously NOT a real Christian. WWJD? NOT ^this Just overturning the tables of scumbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 9 hours ago, WestCanMan said: To be fair, anything that people care about is an election issue. But I know what you're saying: Dems want to pretend that abortion and global warming are more important than the economy, the border, Fentanyl, WWIII, war in Europe, and war in the ME. OUR economy is the strongest in the Western world. Sorry to hear Canucks are still suffering. And women care much more about their freedom than YOU. 9 hours ago, Deluge said: Just overturning the tables of scumbags. No "tables" here, DELUGINAL lDIOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 9 hours ago, robosmith said: No "tables" here, DELUGINAL lDIOT. "Tables" everywhere, heathen; a veritable flea market of wrong behaviors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 19 hours ago, robosmith said: ^Obviously NOT a real Christian. WWJD? NOT ^this What is a real Christian? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 (edited) On 7/25/2024 at 11:48 AM, blackbird said: quote Trump slams Biden's 'barely understandable' speech on his private jet©REUTERS He touched on the border crisis and U.S. relationship with Israel at his first event since Harris became his presumed general election opponent. But leading Trump's list of attacks was Harris' record on abortion – even though the issue is seen as something that could be his downfall among women voters in swing states . 'She wants abortions in the eighth and ninth month of pregnancy – that's fine with her,' Trump said of Harris, who he called a 'lunatic' to massive jeers from a crowd of 10,000 gathered at Bojangles Coliseum in Charlotte. He continued: 'Right up until birth and even after birth the execution of a baby. Because that's not abortion that's the execution of a baby.' unquote Trump slams Biden's 'barely understandable' speech on his private jet (msn.com) The Bible is clear about pre-born babies being humans and the ten commandments in the Bible say "thou shalt not kill". What Does the Bible Say About The Fetus Being Human? (openbible.info) I read that list. And the only item which makes any sort of commandent or law is this one: “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” I could continue: In Jewish law, if the mother’s life is at stake, abortion is not simply permitted… abortion is required. Further, if a pregnant woman is sentenced to death, the death sentence is carried out unless she has gone into labor. Further, in the book of Numbers, a woman is commanded to drink a potion which kills her fetus. This is in the same religious text that you say you believe in! That is in fact the law in the United States, although we don’t quite go with the “eye for an eye” approach. So what is your complaint? Edited July 29 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Rebound said: I read that list. And the only item which makes any sort of commandent or law This is beyond disingenuous. The argument is that the unborn child is a human life, and thus the commandment to not kill applies to them as anyone else... These verses were provided to show the Biblical case for the unborn child being recognized as a human life. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted July 29 Author Report Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, Rebound said: But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” I am not sure what your point with this verse is. You did not say how you understand it. You highlighted part which says if there is harm to the mother or baby, then the one who assaulted them must be punished. This actually shows the opposite of what you think. It shows the fetus is a human and one who causes harm must be punished. User hit the nail on the head. The point is the Bible explicitly recognized the unborn baby as a person in many verses in the Bible. We can't ignore that. 2 hours ago, Rebound said: I could continue: In Jewish law, if the mother’s life is at stake, abortion is not simply permitted… abortion is required. Further, if a pregnant woman is sentenced to death, the death sentence is carried out unless she has gone into labor. Further, in the book of Numbers, a woman is commanded to drink a potion which kills her fetus. This is in the same religious text that you say you believe in! Again you did not give any book, chapter and verse numbers. It is impossible to comment on something without examining it in context. quote 100 Bible Verses about the Fetus Being Human Here are 100 Bible verses about the fetus being human, curated from both the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible, King James Version, arranged from most to least relevant. Jeremiah 1:5 KJV 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Full Chapter | Parallel Translations | Explain Verse Psalm 139:13-16 KJV 13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. 14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet … Full Chapter | Parallel Translations | Explain Verse Exodus 21:22-25 KJV 22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, … Genesis 2:7 KJV 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Ecclesiastes 11:5 KJV 5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all. unquote For the rest of the 100 verses go to: 100 Bible Verses about the Fetus Being Human (KJV) | StillFaith.com It should be mentioned if there are many verses that make it clear that the fetus is a human, and you find a verse that is not clear about that, you must interpret that verse in a way that agrees with the large number of other verses in the Bible. Otherwise you are misinterpreting the Bible. You can't use one verse to nullify a hundred other verses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rebound said: I read that list. And the only item which makes any sort of commandent or law is this one: “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” I could continue: In Jewish law, if the mother’s life is at stake, abortion is not simply permitted… abortion is required. Further, if a pregnant woman is sentenced to death, the death sentence is carried out unless she has gone into labor. Further, in the book of Numbers, a woman is commanded to drink a potion which kills her fetus. This is in the same religious text that you say you believe in! That is in fact the law in the United States, although we don’t quite go with the “eye for an eye” approach. So what is your complaint? Christians follow the Bible, not Jewish law. When the commandment states "Thou shalt not kill" that extends to the unborn as well. There are multiple scriptures that speak to the validity of the unborn, so you're banging your head with that argument. Edited July 29 by Deluge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 On 7/25/2024 at 3:16 PM, robosmith said: It takes a lot more than DNA to create a human. Esp one with humanity. Freedom of religion means no one else has to believe YOURS. And can kill babies after they are born. If there are gawds...and I believe there are...which do you figure you're going to visit? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five of swords Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 On 7/25/2024 at 12:10 PM, robosmith said: What the Bible says is NOT relevant to US law. We don't have "Christian Sharia law" HERE no matter how much some people want that. 🤮 It is going a bit far to say that the Bible is irrelevant to us law. Governments to need to maintain a pretense of legitimacy if they expect loyalty, because without loyalty the government cannot exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 (edited) 23 hours ago, blackbird said: I am not sure what your point with this verse is. You did not say how you understand it. You highlighted part which says if there is harm to the mother or baby, then the one who assaulted them must be punished. This actually shows the opposite of what you think. It shows the fetus is a human and one who causes harm must be punished. User hit the nail on the head. The point is the Bible explicitly recognized the unborn baby as a person in many verses in the Bible. We can't ignore that. Again you did not give any book, chapter and verse numbers. It is impossible to comment on something without examining it in context. quote 100 Bible Verses about the Fetus Being Human Here are 100 Bible verses about the fetus being human, curated from both the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible, King James Version, arranged from most to least relevant. Jeremiah 1:5 KJV 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Full Chapter | Parallel Translations | Explain Verse Psalm 139:13-16 KJV 13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. 14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet … Full Chapter | Parallel Translations | Explain Verse Exodus 21:22-25 KJV 22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, … Genesis 2:7 KJV 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Ecclesiastes 11:5 KJV 5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all. unquote For the rest of the 100 verses go to: 100 Bible Verses about the Fetus Being Human (KJV) | StillFaith.com It should be mentioned if there are many verses that make it clear that the fetus is a human, and you find a verse that is not clear about that, you must interpret that verse in a way that agrees with the large number of other verses in the Bible. Otherwise you are misinterpreting the Bible. You can't use one verse to nullify a hundred other verses. No. You have no magical authority to tell me that you know how to “correctly” interpret the Bible and that your magical ability gives you the right to control he lives of other people. I hope you burn in Hell for doing that. Here is the correct interpretation of The Bible: “Follow these commandments which I set before you.” That means YOU follow them. It does not say: “Interpret this book correctly and kill everyone who disagrees with your interpretation.” It doesn’t say: “I anoint thee with magical Biblical interpretation power and you shall go forth and force others to do what you think I want them to do.” Honor the sabbath day and keep it holy. Do you do that? How do you know you’re keeping sabbath holy the way the Lord commands? You don’t. You do you, and I’ll do me. The Lord does not say: “Force others to keep the Sabbath holy.” Oh, and Numbers 5:11-30. Edited July 30 by Rebound 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 On 7/25/2024 at 3:54 PM, Black Dog said: F*ck your Bible and your bullshit god. Hmmm...dangerous talk... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted July 30 Author Report Share Posted July 30 23 minutes ago, Rebound said: That means YOU follow them. It does not say: “Interpret this book correctly and kill everyone who disagrees with your interpretation.” It doesn’t say: “I anoint thee with magical Biblical interpretation power and you shall go forth and force others to do what you think I want them to do.” You are completely bizarre in your comments. I never said anything about killing everyone who disagrees with my interpretation. I think you have shown you are incapable of rational discussion. Seriously, you need help before you get yourself into real trouble. I don't have time for that nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 40 minutes ago, Rebound said: That means YOU follow them. Talk about moving the goal posts. This discussion was not on if the Bible commanded Christians to force others to follow the commandments. It was about how according to the Bible and Biblical principles/commandments it is wrong to kill unborn children. Of course, for folks like you who clearly have no respect for the Bible or Christianity, you don't respect this... but that was already obvious before this discussion. No need to further clarify your position. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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