Why climate alarmism and carbon taxes are a scam.

[BeaverFever]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

HAVE YET TO PRODUCE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS ITS A CRISIS. 

 

You obviously didn’t read any of the links I provided. One of them even has the word “Emergency” right the title and used the word “crisis” 5 times in the article . You’re not going to do that thing you do where you lie and claim the article says the exact opposite of what it actually says, are you? Or are you going to play your other dumb game like when you claimed calling someone a Marxist is completely different from calling them a communist?  Are we going to have to hear there’s a magic secret rule that it doesn’t count unless the word is ised at least 6 times?

 

If you want more links I can bury you in them but we both know it’s a waste of time because you won’t read them, will lie about them, and/or will invent childish asinine arguments about them.  But here you go. Cited as a source in the very first link provided from NASA:

 

SOCIETY MUST ADDRESS THE GROWING CLIMATE CRISIS NOW

Download the PDF

Immediate and coordinated actions to limit and adapt to human-caused climate change are needed to protect human and ecological health, economic well-being, and global security.

https://www.agu.org/Share-and-Advocate/Share/Policymakers/Position-Statements/Position_Climate

COP28 agreement: embracing the urgency of the scientific consensus?

As COP28 ended in Dubai on December 12, 2023, the international community marked a significant step forward in addressing the climate crisis, while acknowledging the urgent need for greater ambition and action. The International Science Council (ISC), its members, Affiliated bodies and partners actively participated, urging policy-makers to seize the momentum and drive ambitious, science-based, sustainable policy solutions to face the existential climate threat.

….

https://council.science/blog/cop28-urgency-of-scientific-consensus/
 

The climate change emergency

Our climate change crisis

https://www.sciencenews.org/century/climate-change-carbon-dioxide-greenhouse-gas-emissions-global-warming

 

The Climate Crisis – A Race We Can Win

https://www.un.org/en/un75/climate-crisis-race-we-can-win

And so on. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Further, anyone who disagrees with you even if they provide evidence for their argument is simply lablled as a "climate denier".   In other words - rather than debate the issue you simply attempt to dehumanize the speaker so that you can feel justified in not addressing the point. 

Qualifications matter and the deniers you keep citing have none . They’re not recognized as experts. Many aren’t even actual scientists. They work for politicized groups like Fraser institute or they take money directly from polluters. When it’s NASA, United Nations, professional scientific bodies on my side vs some random dudes from the internet on your side don’t get to whine that people laugh at your random dude from the internet instead of debating his arguments point by point. And yet I still did post 2 videos where an actual scientist dismantles the random dude from the internet point by point. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

All people have asked is "Show why this is a crisis", 

It’s been repeatedly shown in case you’re in such a bubble you’re completely unaware of the wildfires and other natural disasters that have now become completely routine. 
 

 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

and i've  aked "Show what impact on that crisis anything canada might do would have". 

Those are reasonble and sensible questions

This is an absolutely idi*tic question. As I already pointed out that’s like someone who wants to commit crimes saying “show what impact anything I might have on the crime rate”.   It’s GLOBAL warming. The requirement is to reduce GLOBAL emissions. Canada is on the globe. Don’t you get it? It been explained to you already. I’ve been trying to figure out what your angle is here:  are you trying to argue that as long as every country EXCEPT Canada reduces GHG emissions we won’t have to?  Are you demanding to see a paper that days global efforts to stop climate change by reducing GHG will fail unless Canada also participates?  Are you demanding to see a paper that claims Canada alone must reduce GHG emissions to stop climate change while the rest of the world can keep polluting?  Every possible reason for asking this question is just beyond stupid.

 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If you can't answer those basic questions, then its pretty obvious you're not being honest or reasonable and that strongly supports the idea this is a fake crisis that various groups have sold to the weak minded for their own reasons. 

They’ve been answered but you’re too thick-headed and dishonest to actually consider them. None are so blind as those who refuse to see. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

You obviously didn’t read any of the links I provided. One of them even has the word “Emergency” right the title and used the word “crisis” 5 times in the article 

In the article.  An article.  The one you mention doesn't even cite the study it claims to rely on. 

There's no science in there at all.   

I was very specific - i specifically said some species of science document that addresses why it's a crisis. 

You posted dozens of things which are NOT science.   I get it - there are many weak minded people who think if you just post massive amounts of bullshit you can PRETEND that SOMEWHERE in there if you spend enough hours reading you'll find it  But we both know that's bullshit. 

Lets go through your cites looking for the actual science, not just a reporter's opinion or gov't propaganda page. 

First one - not a science document at all. Not even written by a scientist from the looks of things.   Fail. 

Next one was the same one again from a different link. You're obvously not even reading them. 

Next one didn't even pretend to be science it's just a blog position paoer, Useless

Next one doesn't even cite the alleged 'study' that it relies on and doesn't explain why it's an emergency at all. 

 

And so on.

Not a single scrap of science.  Not one. 

And none that explain why it's a crisis. "TEMPS WILL GO UP!!!"  So? We'll adapt.  If we can't adapt you better show me what leads you to that conclusion. 

 

Once again - you cannot provide a single solitary bit of science to support your claims.  You just spam articles that don't do anything to demonstrate there's a crisis. 

Oh but if i post an article showing there may be benefits to canada you lose your freaking mind and start tearing your clothing about 'evil deniers'. 

 

All you've done is proven that you - someone who compeltely believes that there's a crisis -  cannot provide a single scrap of scientific evidence to back up your claim. 

Can't spam your way out of that one, kid. 

[BeaverFever]

34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It has not.  That is an out and out lie kiddo. 

YOu were asked for specific things and despite wasting a considerable amount of time reading what basically amounts to propaganda and distraction chaffe i didn't see the questions answered once.  Not once. Not even close. 

Provide real evidence showing its'a crisis. Not just some newspaper or gov't agency saying "oh WE think it s a crisis, trust me!!!"

And provide evidence of what kind of actual real world difference canada is capable of making? What if we as canada hit paris, what is the effect of that? That sort of thing. 

See my post from a few minutes ago. 
 

 

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And while you're at it answer this: If it's a crisis as you claim and all gov'ts including our own recognize that.... why didn't the feds even bother to set up any kind of monitoring to see if the carbon tax was achieving what it was supposed to. 

In fact - why didn't they even set any goals for what it was supposed to achieve? 

It's hyper important - but not important enough to set targets for our flagship response? Or to monitor if it's working?

Can you explain any of this?

I don’t know what you’re talking about. No monitoring? Of course there’s monitoring Multiple agencies in fact:  at the federal level and climate change Canada monitors and so does the auditor general. And there’s provincial and NGO monitoring also. . In fact monitoring and reporting is required by law.

No goals? There are multiple:  the most prominent ones being achieve 40-45% emissions reductions below 2005 levels by 2030, and to be net zero emissions by 2050

Canada’s Enhanced Nationally Determined Contribution

…In March 2022, the Government of Canada introduced Canada’s 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan, which provides a roadmap for the Canadian economy to achieve 40-45% emissions reductions below 2005 levels by 2030, building upon the actions outlined in Canada’s previous climate plans.

…

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/news/2021/04/canadas-enhanced-nationally-determined-contribution.html

 

2023 Progress Report on the 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan
 

The 2023 Progress Report is the first progress report on the 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan (2030 ERP), a sector-by-sector roadmap released in March 2022 that identifies climate actions and strategies for Canada to reach its 2030 emissions reduction target and net-zero emissions by 2050.

The report provides an update on progress towards Canada’s emissions reduction targets described in the 2030 ERP, including a summary of the 2023 Greenhouse Gas and Air Pollutant Emissions Projections report. It also provides a measure-by-measure update on the implementation status of federal measures and strategies as well as key cooperative measures and agreements with provinces and territories. Every sector has a role to play to ensure Canada charts a successful course to a safe and secure low-carbon future. 

The 2023 Progress Report on the 2030 ERP is the first of three reports under the Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act. Subsequent reports are required in 2025 and 2027 under the legislation.

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/environment/weather/climatechange/climate-plan/climate-plan-overview/emissions-reduction-2030/2023-progress-report.html

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

See my post from a few minutes ago. 
 

 

I don’t know what you’re talking about. No monitoring? Of course there’s monitoring Multiple agencies in fact:  at the federal level and climate change Canada monitors and so does the auditor general. And there’s provincial and NGO monitoring also. . In fact monitoring and reporting is required by law.

No goals? There are multiple:  the most prominent ones being achieve 40-45% emissions reductions below 2005 levels by 2030, and to be net zero emissions by 2050

 

Canada’s Enhanced Nationally Determined Contribution

…In March 2022, the Government of Canada introduced Canada’s 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan, which provides a roadmap for the Canadian economy to achieve 40-45% emissions reductions below 2005 levels by 2030, building upon the actions outlined in Canada’s previous climate plans.

…

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/news/2021/04/canadas-enhanced-nationally-determined-contribution.html

 

2023 Progress Report on the 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan
 

 

The 2023 Progress Report is the first progress report on the 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan (2030 ERP), a sector-by-sector roadmap released in March 2022 that identifies climate actions and strategies for Canada to reach its 2030 emissions reduction target and net-zero emissions by 2050.

The report provides an update on progress towards Canada’s emissions reduction targets described in the 2030 ERP, including a summary of the 2023 Greenhouse Gas and Air Pollutant Emissions Projections report. It also provides a measure-by-measure update on the implementation status of federal measures and strategies as well as key cooperative measures and agreements with provinces and territories. Every sector has a role to play to ensure Canada charts a successful course to a safe and secure low-carbon future. 

The 2023 Progress Report on the 2030 ERP is the first of three reports under the Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act. Subsequent reports are required in 2025 and 2027 under the legislation.

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/environment/weather/climatechange/climate-plan/climate-plan-overview/emissions-reduction-2030/2023-progress-report.html

And your usual dishonest game.  I say one thing, you provide "Evidence" that has absolutely nothing to do with it. 

I said they don't track the effectiveness of the carbon tax

NONE OF WHAT YOU POSTED SHOWS ANY TRACKINF OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CARBON TAX. 

 And they've already admitted they don't know. 

Trudeau government doesn’t know how much carbon tax reduces emissions | Toronto Sun

“The government does not measure the annual amount of emissions that are directly reduced by federal carbon pricing.

They also don't have a target of how much it should be.

So nice try. 

Once again - the only thing you prove is you can't defend your climate change position without dishonesty. 

[taxme]

On 7/20/2024 at 1:39 PM, blackbird said:

It appears we have lots of know-it-alls who think science is infallible, kind of a god to them.

Nobody seems to realize here that when the MSM leftist media and our leftist liberal politicians push any globalist agenda bull chit, that in the end, we find out that it was all nonsense and lies. Many people have become billionaires thanks to the lies and bull crap of the spreading of covid and the climate crisis. The world is just to full of dummies like the many dummies that we have here. Tell those dummies here that the sky is starting to fall down and they will run for cover. This is why the world is an a bloody freakin mess. We have way too many dummies to have to deal with. Common sense is just not their forte. LOL.

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

... in the end, we find out that it was all nonsense and lies. ...

When is the end exactly? When are we going to see the temperatures go down again? Because people have been predicting that on here for decades...

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

When is the end exactly? When are we going to see the temperatures go down again? Because people have been predicting that on here for decades...

may 7th, 2143. 

And like all the current climate change predictions we'll all be dead by the time it happens so if i turn out to be wrong, oh well. 

As a response to this imminent cooling we should immediately impose a tax on public transport and bicycles to encourage people to drive cars and use oil. 

And just like  the current climate 'crisis' i can't produce any science to show it's a crisis but i can manage a blog post or two if it'll help?

[Army Guy]

On 8/6/2024 at 10:11 PM, Aristides said:

What I do or not do has nothing to do whether man made climate change is real. When needed, I do replace appliances with the most efficient I can find. When my central air quits, it will be replaced with a heat pump. If I do buy another new vehicle it will be at least a PHEV. I live in a strata so solar is not an option for me unless the whole complex goes for it. If it is ever brought to a vote, I will vote in favour. I completely understand that a person's means limits what they can do but what I don't understand is the denial that it is even happening.

Yes it does, it shows just how much you yourself believe in this so called crises, and what your willing to do for that issue.... everyone can preach on a forum, but IF your one that just preaches then in my opinion your only interested in dividing people, into groups just like we did with covid...which serves no purpose but it does give you the ability to point fingers at another group...it does nothing for the crises...

I'm not denying climate change it happens all the time just check the history of climate...ie ice ages, creations of deserts,drying of water masses,  etc...what i am denying that this is a crises period.......as it is being describe globally...

And yet can you honestly say that our government or for that matter governments all across the globe are treating it as a true crises...are each individual person treating it as a crises in my opinion no they are not...and i would say it is great indicator that there is NO crises at all, or we the people just don't give a rats ass...

We refuse to make the sacrifice of money, or quality of life, or it does not warrant any of our time, to protest or write our MP's something that cost nothing.... ...shit we can't even invest seriously into a greener energy like nuclear power,update our electrical power grid... ...we have nothing but excuses...it will take to long , it is to expensive....in short we refuse to help ourselves...and most people are tired of half ass measures...

My point is our climate crises is currently a huge waste of time, money and effort ...we should be using those carbon taxes and Federal government green dollars to better our quality of lives such as health care, education, upgrade our electrical grids, make solar part of the building codes... rather than enrich liberal friends or companies... 

 

[Army Guy]

On 8/6/2024 at 11:50 PM, BeaverFever said:

See my post from a few minutes ago. 
 

 

I don’t know what you’re talking about. No monitoring? Of course there’s monitoring Multiple agencies in fact:  at the federal level and climate change Canada monitors and so does the auditor general. And there’s provincial and NGO monitoring also. . In fact monitoring and reporting is required by law.

No goals? There are multiple:  the most prominent ones being achieve 40-45% emissions reductions below 2005 levels by 2030, and to be net zero emissions by 2050

 

Canada’s Enhanced Nationally Determined Contribution

…In March 2022, the Government of Canada introduced Canada’s 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan, which provides a roadmap for the Canadian economy to achieve 40-45% emissions reductions below 2005 levels by 2030, building upon the actions outlined in Canada’s previous climate plans.

…

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/news/2021/04/canadas-enhanced-nationally-determined-contribution.html

 

2023 Progress Report on the 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan
 

 

The 2023 Progress Report is the first progress report on the 2030 Emissions Reduction Plan (2030 ERP), a sector-by-sector roadmap released in March 2022 that identifies climate actions and strategies for Canada to reach its 2030 emissions reduction target and net-zero emissions by 2050.

The report provides an update on progress towards Canada’s emissions reduction targets described in the 2030 ERP, including a summary of the 2023 Greenhouse Gas and Air Pollutant Emissions Projections report. It also provides a measure-by-measure update on the implementation status of federal measures and strategies as well as key cooperative measures and agreements with provinces and territories. Every sector has a role to play to ensure Canada charts a successful course to a safe and secure low-carbon future. 

The 2023 Progress Report on the 2030 ERP is the first of three reports under the Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act. Subsequent reports are required in 2025 and 2027 under the legislation.

 

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/environment/weather/climatechange/climate-plan/climate-plan-overview/emissions-reduction-2030/2023-progress-report.html

Lofty goals which we have yet to even meet one of those goals set by this or past governments...nor will we at this rate....I think everyone on this forum will agree our current climate plan is full of shi*, and will not accomplish much of anything....Another indicator that this government is not very interested in climate change, and even with all this failures and the media has let all of us know we are very aware of the failures but we seem happy with at least we have a climate plan...another indicator that we the people don't really give a shi* either 

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Lofty goals which we have yet to even meet one of those goals set by this or past governments...nor will we at this rate....I think everyone on this forum will agree our current climate plan is full of shi*, and will not accomplish much of anything....Another indicator that this government is not very interested in climate change, and even with all this failures and the media has let all of us know we are very aware of the failures but we seem happy with at least we have a climate plan...another indicator that we the people don't really give a shi* either 

There were no goals for the carbon tax.  I prove that in my post to him right after this one. The libs have admitted it outright. 

They don't monitor it's effectiveness, they don't have any goal for what it was supposed to achieve. 

IT's their flagship climate fighting strategy and they didn't even care enough to ask the question  "what will it actually do"?  Or track it to find out. 

Beaver just was trying to switch my question from 'carbon tax goals' to " climate goals in generaL'  because he knew i was right. 

 

How can we take climate change seriously when even they very clearly don't. 

[Aristides]

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Wow thank god for that carbon tax - we sure dodged a bullet there right?  Right?  ....Hello?  .....  bueller?.....

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

When is the end exactly? When are we going to see the temperatures go down again? Because people have been predicting that on here for decades...

When is the end of what? So what if the temperatures go up or go down. Who cares? A few degrees up or down is not going to make that much of a change on earth. As humans we will adapt to whatever changes happen. 

People can predict all they want to predict. Al Gore way back when once predicted that by 2020 Miami will be under feet of water thanks to global warming. The last i checked Miami has not gone under water yet and probably never will. 

This global warming so called crisis is nothing more than another covid #2. It's all meant to get suckers to listen to the likes of Gore, where in the end, Gore makes millions, and the people who donate to Gore lose. Nothing Gore has ever predicted has come about. And Gore still likes to fly around the world in gas guzzling private jets. Whatever happened to practice what you preach words? Marc Morano of www.clmatedepot makes way more sense to listen to than Al Gore. Gore lies and bull chits. Morano tells it like it is. I like that! 

It's your call as to who you want to believe, but just remember there are always two sides to any story. As an old saying goes? To listen to one side of the story, is to know nothing at all. Sadly, there are just way too many people that will only listen to one side of the story and not the other side of the story. I call those people ignorant imbeciles. 

Long reply, but hey. 😇

 

[Michael Hardner]

54 minutes ago, taxme said:

When is the end of what? 

YOU used the phrase 'in the end '.

 

So what IS the end?

[taxme]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

YOU used the phrase 'in the end '.

 

So what IS the end?

Are you trying to act dumb as usual again? Go back to what i wrote and there you will find out as to just what i meant by in the end. There is no beginning and there is no end. But maybe you can tell me as to what or where the end will be? Just asking. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

 There is no beginning and there is no end. But maybe you can tell me as to what or where the end will be? Just asking. 

Pick a point in time where things will stop getting warmer then...

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Pick a point in time where things will stop getting warmer then...

Dishonest in the extreme. 

And yet again Mike, you show you can't engage in conversation without being dishoenst about it. 

Are you trying to claim you have some evidence that the world will NEVER cool again?  Is that your claim? if it will, the date isn't relevant.  And if you think it wont' at least we'll know you're not interested in science. 

[cougar]

On 7/20/2024 at 6:56 AM, blackbird said:

First there is no proof human-caused emissions are causing any climate change.

First you can be considered a measure for stupidity on this forum.  Nobody can beat the value of 1 Blackbird.🤣

[blackbird]

24 minutes ago, cougar said:

First you can be considered a measure for stupidity on this forum.  Nobody can beat the value of 1 Blackbird.🤣

"3  A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool’s back. 

4  Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5  Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."   Proverbs 26:3, 4 KJV

[taxme]

On 8/9/2024 at 1:30 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Pick a point in time where things will stop getting warmer then...

How the hell am i supposed to know that? I cannot predict the future. Can you predict the future? Personally, i am not to concerned or in a panic as to whether the earth will warm up or cool down. By the time any major temperature change happens, I will be looking up at the grass. I will never understand as to why so many people get so concerned over a few degree changes up or down. Humans will adapt to any degree changes as they always have done since humans showed their faces on earth. All this so called climate change crisis sillyness is just more billionaire globalist elite nonsense. 😇