'I can’t wait to defund the CBC': Pierre Poilievre doubles down on plan to axe CBC after board approves bonuses

[CdnFox]

Pierre Poilievre promises to axe CBC after board approves bonuses | Toronto Sun

Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre has renewed his pledge to “defund the CBC” after the board of directors for CBC and Radio-Canada has approved bonuses for some staff for work they did in the most recent fiscal year.

 

The move, which was confirmed Monday, came amid outcry that 1,194 eligible employees working for the public broadcaster would receive bonuses in a year when 141 employees were laid off and 205 vacant positions were eliminated.

“I can’t wait to defund the CBC and sell off the headquarters for housing,” Poilievre wrote in a post shared to X along with a link inviting his followers to a website calling on the Liberals to end subsidies to the state broadcaster.

 

You know that at least one party is running on defunding you. Half the population thinks that's a great idea and the other is somewhat opposed. So then you go and p*ss off a bunch of the people that actually oppose defunding you by giving bonuses to some while asking other people's jobs.

These people are dumber than stamp hammers

[herbie]

As usual the old fallback as he has no plans for anything actually useful.

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, herbie said:

As usual the old fallback as he has no plans for anything actually useful.

As usual the old fallback, lie your ass off and scratch your head as to why people are sick as hell of the left. 

 

[herbie]

# total fail response
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[eyeball]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

As usual the old fallback, lie your ass off and scratch your head as to why people are sick as hell of the left. 

People are just sick of politics. Nothing speaks louder to this than partisans who think their guy is immune.

“If Pierre Poilievre makes a mistake, his drop will be hard and fast. And that is true if anyone next to him makes a mistake. I think the Conservatives have to realize that it’s not that they’re winning, it’s that the Liberals are losing. It is not a validation of Conservative policy.”

https://thetyee.ca/News/2024/07/11/Poilievre-Drop-Hard-Fast-Nik-Nanos-Polls-Canada-Politics-Data/

This fickleness of voters is evident in European elections too and the policy of simply not being the other guy is proving to be a pretty narrow path to power.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

# total fail response
 if recogquery = 0
 print "You lie"
else print$ recogquery
 

You sound more and more like myata every day.  Afraid to speak directly to whom you're talking to, and basically just act like an !diot.

Suits you really.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 This fickleness of voters is evident in European elections too and the policy of simply not being the other guy is proving to be a pretty narrow path to power.

They're electing right and left wing 'other guys'.

If anybody thinks they have an answer, they're wrong.

That's why I started the Poilievre predictions thread in my club.  People actually think cutting the CBC will bring prosperity to Canada.  That and the carbon tax and a slight immigration cut will make it all good.

I think that US foreign policy is more important for our economy at this point.  And trade policy.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

People are just sick of politics. Nothing speaks louder to this than partisans who think their guy is immune.

I don't think people are sick of politics. I think they're starting  to wake up and realize politics are actually important. And that elections matter.  And voting for someone because of their hair or socks might be a mistake. 

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“If Pierre Poilievre makes a mistake, his drop will be hard and fast. And that is true if anyone next to him makes a mistake. I think the Conservatives have to realize that it’s not that they’re winning, it’s that the Liberals are losing. It is not a validation of Conservative policy.”

https://thetyee.ca/News/2024/07/11/Poilievre-Drop-Hard-Fast-Nik-Nanos-Polls-Canada-Politics-Data/

 

Yeah - i know the tyee thinks like that. They're wrong of course. 

It's true that everyone's sick of justin. ANd that'll likely give polievre a severe landslide. but it's not just that people are sick of justin, it's that they're sick of the failure. Of their life  getting worse not bettter, of divisive politics etc.

They're flocking to PP because the believe he can deliver. He can make things better.  If they didn't believe that, if they thought he was as much of a failure as Trudeau/jagmeet then they wouldn't bother.  There's been a fair bit of research on this - while it's a common belief that people vote  out gov'ts in reality they won't if they don't have somewhere to go that they genuinely believe is substantially better.

And that's what will make or break PP.  Whether or not he can deliver and  whether he's SEEN by the people to be delivering.  Harper delivered but he often didn't promote that and people didn't realize how good he was till they had justin to compare with. 

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This fickleness of voters is evident in European elections too and the policy of simply not being the other guy is proving to be a pretty narrow path to power.

Macron has served forever. the conservatives were in power for like 15 years in england....where are you seeing this fickleness?

Generally voters want results and stability .  That will always be harder to deliver on a national scale which is why you'll often see long serving provincial  parties but less often long serving federal parties.  And that's even more true now that the west is picking up more seats every 6 years or so. But that's what it boils down to. If PP delivers a better economy, gets inflation well in hand, reduces interest rates a little, gets housing under control, and the provinces start to prosper again then people will stick with him, and if not they'll start looking. 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's why I started the Poilievre predictions thread in my club.  People actually think cutting the CBC will bring prosperity to Canada.  That and the carbon tax and a slight immigration cut will make it all good.

Who anywhere said that cutting the cbc will bring prosperity to canada?  I read about every thread here and i've never seen anyone say that. 

Or that making a slight immigration cut is going to solve anything or that killing the carbon tax will either.  I've seen people say that a substantial cut in immigration would have an effect on housing and inflation, and that cutting the carbon tax would make things cheaper. 

SHouldn't you at least let PP win before spreading misinformation about things?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that US foreign policy is more important for our economy at this point.  And trade policy. 

I think at this point these will be increasingly up in the air until they settle on who'll be running the place.

In the meantime I maintain the accomodation of authoritarianism, economic inequality and climate change will remain the most important overarching issues going forward.  They're increasingly interconnected issues which makes them even more complex.

I'm feeling pretty catastrophic about the bigger picture myself to be honest. We're still speeding towards the precipice while fighting over the wheel and the brakes are down to metal on metal.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - i know the tyee thinks like that. They're wrong of course. 

It's Nanos who thinks that and he has a pretty solid record for accuracy. The Tyee is simply reporting it.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

It's Nanos who thinks that and he has a pretty solid record for accuracy. The Tyee is simply reporting it.

My bad, you're right, but he's still wrong.  And while i respect his opinion over all he's definitely been wrong before  
Guess we'll see come election time. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

..where are you seeing this fickleness?

In addition to the failure of harder right wing parties to gain ground in the most recent elections in Europe I also see it in a lot of my younger co-workers and family members.

Despite the awareness of the importance of governments there's also an enormous amount of disgust and mistrust for them.

We're bound to keep driving it till it breaks because no one really knows what else to do.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

My bad, you're right, but he's still wrong.  And while i respect his opinion over all he's definitely been wrong before  
Guess we'll see come election time. 

It's definitely Poilievre's to lose. Any doofus could beat Trudeau at this point.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's definitely Poilievre's to lose. Any doofus could beat Trudeau at this point.

Well not any doofus. Jagmeet couldn't.  

And why not? NDP gets elected provincially all the time, layton was competitive, what's the difference? 

Simple answer is that people believe in Poilievre's ability to actually deliver and make things better and they have no faith in Jagmeet's ability to do so. 

People just want things to get better. The left has made things worse and they now believe the right will be an improvement. As long as PP delivers improvment they'll stick with him. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

I'm feeling pretty catastrophic about the bigger picture myself to be honest. We're still speeding towards the precipice while fighting over the wheel and the brakes are down to metal on metal.

I'm starting to agree.  I used to think five years until improvement, now I think that it's twenty.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm starting to agree.  I used to think five years until improvement, now I think that it's twenty.

We'll have probably gone over the edge by then but maybe the alien mothership racing to our rescue will arrive in time.

At this point that's probably our best hope.

I hope I live long enough to see how it all turns out.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We'll have probably gone over the edge by then but maybe the alien mothership racing to our rescue will arrive in time.

At this point that's probably our best hope.

I hope I live long enough to see how it all turns out.

I just read that 2064 is the year that the population of the earth starts to decline. Very good news for the planet, very bad news for growth economy. 

 

Maybe by that point people can figure out since there's enough for everyone to eat and lie back playing banjo all day...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

In addition to the failure of harder right wing parties to gain ground in the most recent elections in Europe I also see it in a lot of my younger co-workers and family members.

Despite the awareness of the importance of governments there's also an enormous amount of disgust and mistrust for them.

We're bound to keep driving it till it breaks because no one really knows what else to do.

they did gain ground for the most part.  But not as much as people feared.  But... doesnt' that prove that people are NOT fickle? They didn't just flick over to the next thing?

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Despite the awareness of the importance of governments there's also an enormous amount of disgust and mistrust for them.

Sure - justin and jagmeet have lied to everyone and everything he promised other than legal dope has competely failed.  they're going to be disillusioned.  But they know they have to do something to fix it. 

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We're bound to keep driving it till it breaks because no one really knows what else to do.

People know what to do, they just need to be resolved. They need to stop falling for the woke crap and get serious about what they want their government to do regardless of its being liberal or conservative. They need to get involved Beyond elections and make sure good candidates are picked and good policies are put forward at conventions. And they have to hold governments accountable, if there's any corruption they need to be gone the next election with fervor, not allowed to continue for two more elections.

It's not that complicated. It's a democracy, the people just have to do their job and run the thing. I like good governments who are qualified and who are focused on the core requirements of government and not a bunch of crap and hold them to account. That's all it takes.

[herbie]

OMG

eyeball actually knows what "leftist" news is!🤯
Half the subs here would shit themselves reading The Tyee.

A friend in a union gave me a gift subscription to a real commie newsrag in the mid 70s. I was forced to explain to the Mounties a decade later getting my security clearance.
Once I saw a cover story about the USSR going in toe "save" Afghanistan that was too much.... birdcage liner only like the Crappy Tire flyers.

[I am Groot]

On 7/17/2024 at 4:50 PM, Michael Hardner said:

They're electing right and left wing 'other guys'.

They're electing people who are willing to challenge the elites' enthusiasm for wide open immigration.

On 7/17/2024 at 4:50 PM, Michael Hardner said:

That's why I started the Poilievre predictions thread in my club.  People actually think cutting the CBC will bring prosperity to Canada.  That and the carbon tax and a slight immigration cut will make it all good.

I'm pretty sure we all know Poilievre would make substantial other changes relating to the economy and taxation, including cutting the red tape needed to start/expand/export resources. I agree that cutting the CBC is a pointless proposal. It should be reformed by someone willing to take on a job which will involve a lot of howling outrage from the Left.  

On 7/17/2024 at 4:50 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I think that US foreign policy is more important for our economy at this point.  And trade policy.  

And our foreign policy, incl our military policy, will have a strong impact on our relationship with the US. I would suggest Poiilevre would align more readily with US interests than Trudeau has.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I agree that cutting the CBC is a pointless proposal. It should be reformed by someone willing to take on a job which will involve a lot of howling outrage from the Left.  

The howling outrage is what will make it all worth the effort don't you think?

Poilievre will have plenty of other social partisan issues to address that should take the base's mind off the hard problems he'll be as ineffectual at solving as anyone else.

[PIK]

On 7/17/2024 at 7:42 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I just read that 2064 is the year that the population of the earth starts to decline. Very good news for the planet, very bad news for growth economy. 

 

Maybe by that point people can figure out since there's enough for everyone to eat and lie back playing banjo all day...

Also read as the world pop goes down,N.A pop goes up.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

The howling outrage is what will make it all worth the effort don't you think?

Poilievre will have plenty of other social partisan issues to address that should take the base's mind off the hard problems he'll be as ineffectual at solving as anyone else.

LOL - i know you're desperately hoping this is how it works, but we both know he's probably going to vastly improve those issues as well.  And the CBC won't be there to lie about it this time  

 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I agree that cutting the CBC is a pointless proposal. It should be reformed by someone willing to take on a job which will involve a lot of howling outrage from the Left.  

Way too late. If that was going to happen it needed to happen 15 or 20 years ago. Now basically you would have to scrap the entire thing and start from scratch to burn the rot out.  Not remotely worth the effort. 

Get rid of it, pocket the money and spend all that political energy and capital on something worth while.  If the left or others wanted the CBC saved, they should have cared about fixing it a long time ago, 

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Way too late.

Nonsense. Much of the CBC is sports. Mostly, we're talking about political and news programming. You replace some anchors and producers and have bias unit looking for political bias and you're halfway there.