Canadian political model for achieving long lasting peace in Ukraine

[athos]

Many agree that the war in Ukraine should end as soon as possible in order to prevent the catastrophic consequences of that conflict.

Many agree that the war in Ukraine should end as soon as possible in order to prevent the catastrophic consequences of that conflict.
Recently, there have been many proposals by statesmen such as Trump, Orban, Putin or Zelensky on how to achieve peace in Ukraine.

One of the ways to achieve long-term peace in Ukraine, considering the real situation on the ground, is the application of the Canadian model of the political system, which has proven to be very successful.

As we know, the Canadian political system is based on the continuity of belonging of Canada and the majority of its citizens to the British (Anglo-Saxon) historical, national and cultural identity, just as it is the case with Ukraine. Consequently, as a result of that, Canada has its own parliament and prime minister where English is accepted as the official language of that country.

The British monarch is at the same time the head of the Canadian state, as well as the commander-in-chief of the Canadian armed forces, represented by the governor-general.

Applying the same constitutional model, Ukraine would have its own parliament and prime minister, where the official language would be Russian, with the use of all other languages permitted. The Russian president will be at the same time Ukrainian head of state and the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, and he would be represented by the governor general of Ukraine.

Such a solution would ensure peace and prosperity in Ukraine and Europe, just as it was the case with Australia, Canada or New Zealand.

 

[athos]

Australia is an example of a very successful Anglo-British/American protectorate. Why Ukraine should not be a successful Slavic protectorate with lasting peace.

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[Queenmandy85]

Why would you advocate rewarding the treachery of Putin's Russia?

The difference is, Russia planned and executed the Holodomor. In the event Russia wins this war, there will be a second Holodomor. Ukraine is not Russian.

The solulution to the war is for Russia to withdraw from all Ukrainian territory and pay for the reconstruction of the cities they destroyed and pay compensation to the families of everyone murdered by the Russians. They should also pay for the costs incurred by Ukraine's allies who supported Ukraine against the murderous Putin regime.

Finally, in as much as Russia broke the treaty in which Ukraine gave up her nuclear forces in exchange for Russia's and the Americans' guarantee of Ukraine's borders and sovereignty, Russia must return the 3000 nuclear weapons surrendered by Ukraine. That is the best and only solution.

 

Edited July 6, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[Scott75]

12 hours ago, athos said:

Many agree that the war in Ukraine should end as soon as possible in order to prevent the catastrophic consequences of that conflict.

I'd be one such person.

 

12 hours ago, athos said:

Recently, there have been many proposals by statesmen such as Trump, Orban, Putin or Zelensky on how to achieve peace in Ukraine.

 

Of the statesmen you mentioned, I've definitely been reading about Orban's proposal. He actually went to Russia to discuss it with Putin. An excerpt from their meeting:

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The Russian president has reiterated Moscow’s readiness to resolve the hostility through negotiations. The Ukrainian leadership, however, appears to be still incapable of abandoning its idea of waging a war “until the end,” Putin noted.

Moscow is seeking to reach lasting, sustainable peace rather than opting for a temporary ceasefire or a “frozen conflict” of any sort, the Russian president warned.

There should not be a “ceasefire or some kind of pause that the Kiev regime could use to recover losses, regroup, and rearm. Russia is in favor of a complete and final end to the conflict,” he stressed.

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Full article:

https://www.rt.com/russia/600527-orban-putin-ukraine-conflict/

 

12 hours ago, athos said:

One of the ways to achieve long-term peace in Ukraine, considering the real situation on the ground, is the application of the Canadian model of the political system, which has proven to be very successful.

As we know, the Canadian political system is based on the continuity of belonging of Canada and the majority of its citizens to the British (Anglo-Saxon) historical, national and cultural identity, just as it is the case with Ukraine. Consequently, as a result of that, Canada has its own parliament and prime minister where English is accepted as the official language of that country.

The British monarch is at the same time the head of the Canadian state, as well as the commander-in-chief of the Canadian armed forces, represented by the governor-general.

Applying the same constitutional model, Ukraine would have its own parliament and prime minister, where the official language would be Russian, with the use of all other languages permitted. The Russian president will be at the same time Ukrainian head of state and the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, and he would be represented by the governor general of Ukraine.

Such a solution would ensure peace and prosperity in Ukraine and Europe, just as it was the case with Australia, Canada or New Zealand.

 

I don't think that'd work at all. The creation of Canada (as opposed to the indigenous people before its creation) began with settlers from England and France. Also, when the American Civil War ended with the American rebels winning, many Americans who were loyal to the crown (called loyalists) went to Canada as well. Ukraine certainly has people who have deep ties to Russia, but they are primarily in the Eastern part of Ukraine, which Russia has already taken over for the most part. I think the best solution at this point would probably be that Ukraine agrees to give up all or at least most of the territories that Russia has taken and also agrees to not join NATO for starters. 

 

I think even this is far from happening at the moment, but it seems like the most likely way to achieve peace.

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Why would you advocate rewarding the treachery of Putin's Russia?

I'd say it was Ukraine's treachery, with the backing of the U.S. and other NATO countries, that precipitated Russia's military intervention to begin with. Former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud wrote an article that I think goes into great detail as to what really happened prior to Russia's intervention:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

[Queenmandy85]

Putin made the laughable excuse that Ukraine was going to invade Russia. That is like the US  saying Canada is going to invade the United States.

Russia guaranteed Ukraine's borders, including the eastern territory and Crimea currently occupied by Russia. Russia violated that promise in 2014.

The idea that if Ukraine joined NATO it would be any kind of threat to Russia is ludicrous. Ukraine is a free and independent nation and her foreign policy is none of Russia's business. 

 

 

[Nationalist]

45 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Why would you advocate rewarding the treachery of Putin's Russia?

The difference is, Russia planned and executed the Holodomor. In the event Russia wins this war, there will be a second Holodomor. Ukraine is not Russian.

The solulution to the war is for Russia to withdraw from all Ukrainian territory and pay for the reconstruction of the cities they destroyed and pay compensation to the families of everyone murdered by the Russians. They should also pay for the costs incurred by Ukraine's allies who supported Ukraine against the murderous Putin regime.

Finally, in as much as Russia broke the treaty in which Ukraine gave up her nuclear forces in exchange for Russia's and the Americans' guarantee of Ukraine's borders and sovereignty, Russia must return the 3000 nuclear weapons surrendered by Ukraine. That is the best and only solution.

 

Good Lord Mandy. Do you really think any of this is going to happen?

I mean...I get it. Putin bad. But...Putin also strong. Stronger than Ukraine and perhaps now even stronger than NATO.

Foolish, emotional thinking is not going to return peace to Europe. Do you want to see Europe the site of another world War?

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Putin made the laughable excuse that Ukraine was going to invade Russia. That is like the US  saying Canada is going to invade the United States.

Russia guaranteed Ukraine's borders, including the eastern territory and Crimea currently occupied by Russia. Russia violated that promise in 2014.

The idea that if Ukraine joined NATO it would be any kind of threat to Russia is ludicrous. Ukraine is a free and independent nation and her foreign policy is none of Russia's business. 

 

 

Apparently they've made it their business. And you glossing over the years of deceit and meddling by the USA and that cvnt Nuland, who are waste deep in creating this catastrophe, is pathetic and ignores historical facts.

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Good Lord Mandy. Do you really think any of this is going to happen?

Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong.

You need to be aware the last time I predicted any event correctly was I bet on Cassius Clay to beat Sony Liston. 

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong.

You need to be aware the last time I predicted any event correctly was I bet on Cassius Clay to beat Sony Liston. 

Lol...ok so it's not a frequent event then?

Look...it's "nice"...perhaps even expected...to support or side with the attacked. But remove that emotional reaction and what do you discover? 

NATO and The West, blatantly took advantage of Russia's weakend state after the Soviet breakup, but they weren't paying attention and Putin managed to drag Russia out of poverty. That BRICS consortium is proving the almighty USD is not...necessary. Yes Russia is no longer a pushover...and twits like Neuland completely underestimated them me thinks.

Now...China and a number of other nations have lined up with Russia. Oops...

Numbers have always dictated how this "police action" would wind-up. Regardless of our emotional reactions. Now all they're doing is making things worse.

[athos]

11 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Why would you advocate rewarding the treachery of Putin's Russia?

The difference is, Russia planned and executed the Holodomor. In the event Russia wins this war, there will be a second Holodomor. Ukraine is not Russian.

The solulution to the war is for Russia to withdraw from all Ukrainian territory and pay for the reconstruction of the cities they destroyed and pay compensation to the families of everyone murdered by the Russians. They should also pay for the costs incurred by Ukraine's allies who supported Ukraine against the murderous Putin regime.

Finally, in as much as Russia broke the treaty in which Ukraine gave up her nuclear forces in exchange for Russia's and the Americans' guarantee of Ukraine's borders and sovereignty, Russia must return the 3000 nuclear weapons surrendered by Ukraine. That is the best and only solution.

 

Was the same done to indigenous Canadians?

If there is a British Commonwealth, why not a Slavic Commonwealth?
Why should Slavs kill each other because you want them to?

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Edited July 7, 2024 by athos

[athos]

10 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Putin made the laughable excuse that Ukraine was going to invade Russia. That is like the US  saying Canada is going to invade the United States.

Russia guaranteed Ukraine's borders, including the eastern territory and Crimea currently occupied by Russia. Russia violated that promise in 2014.

The idea that if Ukraine joined NATO it would be any kind of threat to Russia is ludicrous. Ukraine is a free and independent nation and her foreign policy is none of Russia's business. 

 

 

Robert Kennedy made the laughable excuse that Cuba was going to invade USA.

[Queenmandy85]

12 hours ago, athos said:

If there is a British Commonwealth, why not a Slavic Commonwealth?

Because, any Slavic nation that has experienced living under Russian oppression never wants to go through that again. Ukrainians especially, hate the prospect of a second Holodomor. 

Membership in the British Commonwealth is voluntary. The benefits of membership tends to outweigh the injustices of the past. If it didn't, member nations would leave. 

Why would Ukraine want to submit to something they do not want? They have clear reasons to hate Russian domination. What gives Russia the right to conquor it's neighbour by force? Russia and the United States guaranteed Ukrainian borders and sovereignty in exchange for Ukraine surrendering her 2960 nuclear weapons. If Ukraine had not given up her nuclear arsenal, we would not be having this conversation.

[Queenmandy85]

12 hours ago, athos said:

Robert Kennedy made the laughable excuse that Cuba was going to invade USA.

Cite? I have never heard of that. I fear you have been misinformed. My recollection of the time is that Cuba feared a US invasion. 

[athos]

On 7/7/2024 at 2:45 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong.

You need to be aware the last time I predicted any event correctly was I bet on Cassius Clay to beat Sony Liston. 

Very glad that you are ALWAYS SO HAPPY

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[athos]

12 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Cite? I have never heard of that. I fear you have been misinformed. My recollection of the time is that Cuba feared a US invasion. 

I agree that people can be ignorant because they never hear about many things or misunderstand them.

[Moonbox]

14 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Cite? I have never heard of that. I fear you have been misinformed. My recollection of the time is that Cuba feared a US invasion. 

You are talking to a paid Russian troll farm employee.

[athos]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

You are talking to a paid Russian troll farm employee.

 

Please behave yourself.

Thank you

 

 

[Queenmandy85]

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

You are talking to a paid Russian troll farm employee.

Surely even Russian Trolls studied history. All I asked for was a source to confirm RFK actually said that. 

Athos, the ball is in your court.

Also, on another topic, if you are a paid Russia troll, that sounds like a good job. Where can I apply? What is the pay like?

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Surely even Russian Trolls studied history. All I asked for was a source to confirm RFK actually said that. 

Sure.  I'm just telling you that you're not going to get any intelligent responses from him.  He's literally a paid Russian troll, and he's been caught before copypasting the same garbage on other Western country's forums.   

"Something something, Anglo-Khazarian Nazi something something..."  

You can tell when he posts here that he's just copypasting trollfarm content, just because of the format of the text he uses.  

Athos buddy, you need to work harder.  Mother Russia is disappointed in your feeble efforts.  

Edited July 8, 2024 by Moonbox

[Queenmandy85]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Sure.  I'm just telling you that you're not going to get any intelligent responses from him.  He's literally a paid Russian troll, and he's been caught before copypasting the same garbage on other Western country's forums.   

Yes, but how can I get a job like that? It sounds like fun and I am qualified. I took Russian 20th Century history from a Prof who talked about Stalin, Molotov, Baria, and Khrushchev like he played poker with them every Saturday night. And I must be a qualified troll because of the many times I've been accused of it on political forums. I was even banned by Democrat Underground on my first post last week.

By the way, Athos, is Fat Oleg still on the reception desk at Lubyanka?

Edited July 8, 2024 by Queenmandy85
Punctuation. I really have to proof read before posting.

[athos]

13 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Surely even Russian Trolls studied history. All I asked for was a source to confirm RFK actually said that. 

Athos, the ball is in your court.

Also, on another topic, if you are a paid Russia troll, that sounds like a good job. Where can I apply? What is the pay like?

You are not even a citizen but a Subject Of His Majesty as such in the civilized world you are unemployable.

😀

[Moonbox]

17 hours ago, athos said:

You are not even a citizen but a Subject Of His Majesty as such in the civilized world you are unemployable.

😀

You are not even a citizen, but a poor Russian mud-person, subject of a small, sad, murderous  little clown:

Comrade, you need to work harder.  You are not convincing anyone.  You are not worth the potatoes the apparatchiks are paying you.  

 

Edited July 9, 2024 by Moonbox

[Legato]

17 hours ago, athos said:

You are not even a citizen but a Subject Of His Majesty as such in the civilized world you are unemployable.

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We subjects acknowledge your envy.