What Kind of ‘Psycho’ Calls Dead Americans ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’?

[robosmith]

What Kind of ‘Psycho’ Calls Dead Americans ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’?

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Perhaps you’ve noticed lately that Donald Trump, a man not known for subtlety, has been testing the limits of the Streisand effect. At one event after another—at a rally, then a fundraiser, in remarks on his social platform, and in at least one video that his campaign distributed online—Trump keeps reminding his supporters about his well-documented habit of disparaging America’s military service members as “dumb,” “losers,” and “suckers.”

“Think of it, from a practical standpoint,” Trump said before a crowd in Las Vegas earlier this month. “I’m standing there with generals and military people in a cemetery, and I look at them and say, ‘These people are suckers and losers.’ Now, think of it; unless you’re a psycho or a crazy person or a very stupid person, who would say that, anyway?”

As it happens, the American people have, by now, a very clear picture of the kind of person who would say such a thing.

Recall Trump’s infamous 2015 remarks about Senator John McCain, who was tortured during his five and a half years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam: “He’s not a war hero,” Trump insisted. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Then there was the time in 2016 when Trump publicly mocked and belittled Khzir and Ghazala Khan, the parents of a fallen U.S. Army officer, Humayun Khan, who had been killed by a suicide bomber in Iraq in 2004. (Trump is “devoid of feeling the pain of a mother who has sacrificed her son,” Khzir said at the time.)

Then, in 2020, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, reported several instances in which Trump openly expressed disgust for America’s dead service members. There was the time in Arlington National Cemetery, on Memorial Day in 2017, when Trump was standing at the grave of Robert Kelly, a young Marine officer who had been killed in Afghanistan. Trump was visiting the cemetery with his then–Chief of Staff John Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general and father to Robert. As Goldberg first reported, “Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly’s grave, turned directly to his father and said, ‘I don’t get it. What was in it for them?’”

During a trip to France the following year, faced with the prospect of visiting another cemetery, this time to pay respects to service members killed in World War I, Trump complained: “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” (Trump’s loyalists have attempted to redirect attention to the weather that day, arguing that it really was too rainy for a visit.) And, as Goldberg first reported, “in a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as ‘suckers’ for getting killed.”Trump has never served in the U.S. military. “Bone spurs” won him an exemption from Vietnam.  He has never had to triple-check to make sure his uniform was in regulation, or taken a combat-fitness test. He has never watched his spouse walk out the door for the last time before deployment. He has never cared for a family member who returned from war with permanent injuries. And he has never received the unfathomable news that one of his children was killed in action. Millions of Americans have. But Trump is nothing like them. 

Cadet Bone Spurs is UNQUALIFIED to be CnC, cause he is a loser and a sucker.

[herbie]

You heard the man: he said he had 19 sycophants who'll swear he never said that.

[CdnFox]

What kind of psycho would suggest that he did when he didn't?

I see Biden tried to try it out that talking point again a day ago and got confused and befuddled and wound up finishing with I guess I shouldn't try talking about this   He claimed that it was at the world war I memorial (was supposed to be ww2) In belgum (it was france) that trump,,er mbubummgggg. 

LOL  go and get your boy. He's drooling all over the stage   

[West]

Well to be fair that fat guy from the Ukraine hoax was a sucker and a loser

[User]

Ah yes... the classic leftist game, where we are supposed to ignore the entire life of a man, everything we can see of him in public, every day that Trump goes out of his way to honor and thank veterans... and believe that he said something so absurd that most people deny he said. 

Meanwhile, you expect us to ignore everything we see of Biden in public and pretend that behind closed doors, he is a 22-year-old Grand Master Chess champion Rhodes Scholar. 

 

 

[Hodad]

6 hours ago, User said:

Ah yes... the classic leftist game, where we are supposed to ignore the entire life of a man, everything we can see of him in public, every day that Trump goes out of his way to honor and thank veterans... and believe that he said something so absurd that most people deny he said. 

Meanwhile, you expect us to ignore everything we see of Biden in public and pretend that behind closed doors, he is a 22-year-old Grand Master Chess champion Rhodes Scholar. 

 

 

Bullshit. We can all believe the reports precisely because we see the entire life of the man. We see that he is constitutionally incapable of understanding notions of service and self sacrifice. He thinks about and cares only for people named Trump. His interest in other people is only in their capacity to serve his ends. We see how unbelievably callous, cruel and selfish he is, so even the most extreme of those comments are perfectly in character.

We watched with our own eyes and heard with our own ears as Cadet Bone Spurs publicly mocked a bona fide war hero and POW. And he did it on the record, because in his conception of the world, that disrespect was a winning strategy. We watched him antagonize gold star parents. We have first-hand accounts from his closest advisors and staff about how poorly he thinks of the "suckers" who serve their country--especially those who who sacrificed life or limb.

This is not a made -up criticism. It's just who this scumbag is. MAGA cultists knew exactly who he was when they signed up. No need for the phony protestations of plain fact. Just admit you don't care and move on.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Bullshit. We can all believe the reports precisely because we see the entire life of the man. We see that he is constitutionally incapable of understanding notions of service and self sacrifice. He thinks about and cares only for people named Trump. His interest in other people is only in their capacity to serve his ends. We see how unbelievably callous, cruel and selfish he is, so even the most extreme of those comments are perfectly in character.

We watched with our own eyes and heard with our own ears as Cadet Bone Spurs publicly mocked a bona fide war hero and POW. And he did it on the record, because in his conception of the world, that disrespect was a winning strategy. We watched him antagonize gold star parents. We have first-hand accounts from his closest advisors and staff about how poorly he thinks of the "suckers" who serve their country--especially those who who sacrificed life or limb.

This is not a made -up criticism. It's just who this scumbag is. MAGA cultists knew exactly who he was when they signed up. No need for the phony protestations of plain fact. Just admit you don't care and move on.

Worst attempt at gaslighting i've seen in some time. 

[User]

40 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Bullshit. We can all believe the reports precisely because we see the entire life of the man.

Clearly not...

All Biden can do is harp on this one alleged example repeatedly. 

50 minutes ago, Hodad said:

mocked a bona fide war hero and POW.

Yes, not all veterans. This is a stupid dishonest game folks like you try to play where you act like insulting one person is somehow insulting everyone of whatever demographic you are using this time. 

51 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No need for the phony protestations of plain fact.

Except... it is not plain fact. It is an alleged comment made that most of those close enough to have been a part of it in any form say did not happen. 

 

[ironstone]

I thought this was debunked a long time ago. John Bolton, who hates Trump, was there and never heard him say it.

This seems like yet another act of desperation from the TDS inflicted side.

[gatomontes99]

50 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I thought this was debunked a long time ago. John Bolton, who hates Trump, was there and never heard him say it.

This seems like yet another act of desperation from the TDS inflicted side.

The reality is, no one who has come forward, ever heard him say it.

[Hodad]

21 hours ago, User said:

Clearly not...

All Biden can do is harp on this one alleged example repeatedly. 

Yes, not all veterans. This is a stupid dishonest game folks like you try to play where you act like insulting one person is somehow insulting everyone of whatever demographic you are using this time. 

Except... it is not plain fact. It is an alleged comment made that most of those close enough to have been a part of it in any form say did not happen. 

 

No, the "stupid, dishonest game" is pretending that he hasn't made these comments a half dozen times or more. He attacked John McCain on the basis of being a POW. Trump, after all, doesn't respect those heroes. He likes people who didn't get captured. 

And those closest to him DO acknowledge that these things happened. The people who exited that administration were shell-shocked by how fundamentally awful Trump is. It is a plain fact that Trump neither understands nor respects military service. But sure, you can keep pretending otherwise, you spineless lickspittle.

 

CNN exclusive with John Kelley

his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

In the statement, Kelly is confirming, on the record, a number of details in a 2020 story in The Atlantic by editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg, including Trump turning to Kelly on Memorial Day 2017, as they stood among those killed in Afghanistan and Iraq in Section 60 at Arlington National Cemetery, and saying, “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?”

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“Enough,” interestingly, contains a scene in which Hutchinson and then-White House communications director Alyssa Farah Griffin push back against Goldberg’s 2020 story. Griffin issued a statement to The Atlantic after that story posted denying the report.

Reached for comment over the weekend, Griffin said, “Despite publicly praising the military and claiming to be the most pro-military president, there’s a demonstrable record of Trump bashing the most decorated service members in our country, from Gen. Mattis to Kelly to Milley, to criticizing the wounded or deceased like John McCain. Donald Trump will fundamentally never understand service the way those who have actually served in uniform will, and it’s one of the countless reasons he’s unfit to be commander in chief.”

No other presidential candidate in history has had so many detractors from his inner circle. His former secretary of defense, Mark Esper, told CNN in November 2022, “I think he’s unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well.”

Trump’s former attorney general, Bill Barr, told CBS in June that “he is a consummate narcissist. And he constantly engages in reckless conduct. … He will always put his own interests, and gratifying his own ego, ahead of everything else, including the country’s interests. Our country can’t, you know, can’t be a therapy session for you know, a troubled man like this.”

^^The people who used to aid and defend Trump for a living--those who know him best--are telling you plainly that he's utterly unfit for office. Believe them.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

No, the "stupid, dishonest game" is pretending that he hasn't made these comments a half dozen times or more.

Now it's a half dozen times.  

I'm sure if biden keeps polling badly it'll be a dozen times by next week.  In fact hes' got it embroidered on his undies!  He included it in his wedding vows! He commissioned a fortune cookie company to put it as the 'fortune' in an entire run last year. 

Sigh. Four more months of the dem supporters getting more and more frantic. 

[User]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

No, the "stupid, dishonest game" is pretending that he hasn't made these comments a half dozen times or more.

You can't get past this one time, that is anything but confirmed as more people say he didn't say it than did. 

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

He attacked John McCain on the basis of being a POW.

He attacked John McCain. I have already addressed this, since you are in the habit of ignoring what I have already said:

"Yes, not all veterans. This is a stupid dishonest game folks like you try to play where you act like insulting one person is somehow insulting everyone of whatever demographic you are using this time. "

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

CNN exclusive with John Kelley

Yeah, how brave, in 2023 he comes out to give this "exclusive"  I have a great deal of respect for the man and when Trump fired him it was one of the biggest things he did that I did not approve of, but I am no fan of people coming out years after the fact like this... they lose a lot of credibility with me. If he had any integrity, he would have come out when it happened... as alleged. 

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

^^The people who used to aid and defend Trump for a living--those who know him best--are telling you plainly that he's utterly unfit for office. Believe them.

Yeah, the people who used to aid and defend Trump... wait until after the fact to say these things. Even then, you are not talking to a Trump sychophant. I don't like the guy for any number of reasons, but I am not going to chop my nose off to spite my face. Trump is the best of two evils for me now, but that doesn't mean I am going to buy into all these lame attacks or outright lies that the left pushes about him. 

 

Edited July 8, 2024 by User

[robosmith]

On 7/6/2024 at 5:04 PM, ironstone said:

I thought this was debunked a long time ago. John Bolton, who hates Trump, was there and never heard him say it.

This seems like yet another act of desperation from the TDS inflicted side.

One guy "not hearing" means NOTHING about whether he said it. 

Was Bolton in Trump's presence the WHOLE TIME? Doubtful since it was Trump's Chief of Staff who heard it.

You know, the guy who was CLOSEST to him. Duh

On 7/6/2024 at 5:55 PM, gatomontes99 said:

The reality is, no one who has come forward, ever heard him say it.

You mean no one YOU HEARD OF. Like John Kelly, former Chief of Staff. 

[robosmith]

21 minutes ago, User said:

You can't get past this one time, that is anything but confirmed as more people say he didn't say it than did. 

He attacked John McCain. I have already addressed this, since you are in the habit of ignoring what I have already said:

"Yes, not all veterans. This is a stupid dishonest game folks like you try to play where you act like insulting one person is somehow insulting everyone of whatever demographic you are using this time. "

Yeah, how brave, in 2023 he comes out to give this "exclusive"  I have a great deal of respect for the man and when Trump fired him it was one of the biggest things he did that I did not approve of, but I am no fan of people coming out years after the fact like this... they lose a lot of credibility with me. If he had any integrity, he would have come out when it happened... as alleged. 

Yeah, the people who used to aid and defend Trump... wait until after the fact to say these things. Even then, you are not talking to a Trump sychophant. I don't like the guy for any number of reasons, but I am not going to chop my nose off to spite my face. Trump is the best of two evils for me now, but that doesn't mean I am going to buy into all these lame attacks or outright lies that the left pushes about him. 

Only thing that's been proven is there are far more Trump sycophants than those willing to incur his wrath. Duh

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Only thing that's been proven is there are far more Trump sycophants than those willing to incur his wrath. Duh

Says the guy who can't own up to Biden telling lies. 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, User said:

Says the guy who can't own up to Biden telling lies. 

And still thinks he's mentally competent and "just had a cold". 

And still thinks he can win. 

 

[robosmith]

54 minutes ago, User said:

Says the guy who can't own up to Biden telling lies. 

Biden makes mistakes due to faulty memory like most people his age. He's NOT a pathological LIAR like Trump.

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

One guy "not hearing" means NOTHING about whether he said it. 

Was Bolton in Trump's presence the WHOLE TIME? Doubtful since it was Trump's Chief of Staff who heard it.

You know, the guy who was CLOSEST to him. Duh

You mean no one YOU HEARD OF. Like John Kelly, former Chief of Staff. 

John Kelley never said he heard Trump say that. He just repeated the rumor.

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Biden makes mistakes due to faulty memory like most people his age. He's NOT a pathological LIAR like Trump.

He said trump promised bloodbaths in the street if he lost, 

Trump never said anything like that. He said it'll be a bloodbath for the automotive industry if biden wins. 

That's just the start of it,  Biden has a long long long history of telling absolute whoppers. 

[User]

56 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Biden makes mistakes due to faulty memory like most people his age. He's NOT a pathological LIAR like Trump.

LOL... mistakes? 

A lie is not a "mistake" and Biden lies a lot. You ran away from the other thread I asked you this in... how many lies did Biden tell during the debate?

 

[robosmith]

48 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

John Kelley never said he heard Trump say that. He just repeated the rumor.

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

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Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

 

 

John Kelly confirms Trump called soldiers who died for ...

Washington Times

https://www.washingtontimes.com › news › oct › john-...

 

Oct 3, 2023 — Former White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly has ... John Kelly confirms Trump called soldiers who died for U.S. 'losers' and 'suckers'.

 

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, User said:

LOL... mistakes? 

A lie is not a "mistake" and Biden lies a lot. You ran away from the other thread I asked you this in... how many lies did Biden tell during the debate?

FACT CHECK reports Trump told 30 LIES. I have read about ANY lies by Biden, and I'm not familiar with his real golf handicap.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

 

 

John Kelly confirms Trump called soldiers who died for ...

Washington Times

https://www.washingtontimes.com › news › oct › john-...

 

Oct 3, 2023 — Former White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly has ... John Kelly confirms Trump called soldiers who died for U.S. 'losers' and 'suckers'.

 

ummm - that doesn't actually say anywhere that kelly heard him say it. It doesn't even say the people they don't mention heard it.  It says people with first hand knowledge of the discussions that day.  Soooo there you go. Nobody actually admits to having heard him say it. 

[ironstone]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Biden makes mistakes due to faulty memory like most people his age.

And this is the man they're going to wake up in the wee hours of the morning to inform about some kind of serious crisis? Or is it Obama that gets woken up?