What is you opinion on career Politicians?

[CrazyCanuck89]

Are you for them or against them?

Should MPs and MPPs/MLAs have term limits?

How many terms should a Politician have to serve to get a pension?

[Michael Hardner]

Only a handful of our federal leaders have been career politicians.  Some have been lawyers and academics at least but our politicians tend to come from the chattering classes. 

 

As a conservative, I would like to see a compassionate CEO or someone with a knowledge of global trends to restructure our public sphere.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

As a conservative, I would like to see a compassionate CEO or someone with a knowledge of global trends to restructure our public sphere.

but your civil society is under siege by Communists from the far left and Islamists from the far right

so what is your leadership model under such wartime conditions, with enemies at the gates ?

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but your civil society is under siege by Communists from the far left and Islamists from the far right

so what is your leadership model under such wartime conditions, with enemies at the gates ?

I think that we're all pretty sensitive.  I think that the public sphere needs repair.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that we're all pretty sensitive.  I think that the public sphere needs repair.

how will you be able to repair while under relentless attack by an American cultural revolution ?

in order to effect repairs, one would require a bulwark to shore up the ramparts

 

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

how will you be able to repair while under relentless attack by an American cultural revolution ?

in order to effect repairs, one would require a bulwark to shore up the ramparts

 

There's a technological rot and demographic play that might render this pointless in five years.

[ExFlyer]

100% against politicians for life.

I love the US system that only allows presidents to stay for 2 terms. That should be a mandate in Canada too.

This should go for all politicians. 8 to 10 years and you are out. After 2 terms they become entrenched and entitled and forget who they work for.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

There's a technological rot and demographic play that might render this pointless in five years.

even in the face of the forlorn hope

we are bound by solemn oath

to go over the top when the whistle blows

like our grandfathers and great grandfathers before us

Vigilamus pro te

[Michael Hardner]

I am on the side of quietude at this point. My grandfather didn't like the sound of the radio being on all the time. If he were alive today he would commit suicide.

[eyeball]

What is you opinion on career Politicians?

I'd rather we choose our representatives the way we choose jurists.

Political parties should be no more than public clubs. If your club is bigger than everyone else's chances are good more of it's members would become representatives.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I am on the side of quietude at this point.

but Canada is a warrior nation in the face of American republicanism imposed over the redoubts

Brock & Tecumseh at Queenston Heights & Fort Detroit

The Queens Own Rifles of Canada decimated at Ridgeway is the catalyst of Confederation itself

A mare usque ad mari

[CrazyCanuck89]

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

100% against politicians for life.

I love the US system that only allows presidents to stay for 2 terms. That should be a mandate in Canada too.

This should go for all politicians. 8 to 10 years and you are out. After 2 terms they become entrenched and entitled and forget who they work for.

But their senators and congressmen and women can stay more than 2 terms.

[Nefarious Banana]

Career airline pilots, carpenters, lawyers, loggers, skippers, politicians, physicians, etc., etc.  . . . . they likely have a better grasp of the job at hand than the rookie.  Canada's PM is the perfect example of an inept rookie.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but Canada is a warrior nation in the face of American republicanism imposed over the redoubts

Brock & Tecumseh at Queenston Heights & Fort Detroit

The Queens Own Rifles of Canada decimated at Ridgeway is the catalyst of Confederation itself

A mare usque ad mari

It was pretty quiet from then for about 50 years no?  Fenian raids were the next blip...

[CrazyCanuck89]

Just now, Nefarious Banana said:

Career airline pilots, carpenters, lawyers, loggers, skippers, politicians, physicians, etc., etc.  . . . . they likely have a better grasp of the job at hand than the rookie.  Canada's PM is the perfect example of an inept rookie.

Do know what a rookie is?  Trudeau was in no way a rookie politician when he became PM.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It was pretty quiet from then for about 50 years no? 

no

Canada fights its first war under Confederation in the Northwest Rebellion of 1885 just 18 years later

to put down an armed insurrection incited by the Father of Manitoba

[ExFlyer]

10 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

But their senators and congressmen and women can stay more than 2 terms.

Yes.

My comment was "I love the US system that only allows presidents to stay for 2 terms. That should be a mandate in Canada too. "

I went on to stay "This should go for all politicians."

So, your objection is???

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Are you for them or against them?

Against. Its a breeding ground for complacency and corruption. 

Last job you want to see someone giving their minimum effort in.

You get someone like Trudeau, who couldn't care less what you think or wish for, as they will be running the show.

You're a Nazi or alt right or climate denialists if you disagree.

Keep people always looking over their shoulders and they may suck at their job still, but this would at least put pressure for how bad they suck, to avoid an early termination.

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It was pretty quiet from then for about 50 years no?  Fenian raids were the next blip...

13 years after the Northwest Rebellion, the Canadian Militia deploys to fight the Boer in South Africa

that's two wars in the first 31 years of Confederation

and you find the Canadian threat matrix therein

first, is staving off an insurrection against the Crown at home

followed by upholding Canada's obligations to the Crown overseas

with the Militia as the arm of decision, since the Regular Force never has enough troops

this stands as the mission set and structure, unto this day in fact

Je me souviens

Edited July 3, 2024 by Dougie93

[paradox34]

2 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Are you for them or against them?

Should MPs and MPPs/MLAs have term limits?

How many terms should a Politician have to serve to get a pension?

An interesting question. By career politicians do you mean the socially failed or idle. Our political system seems to attract those who've never done a meaningful day of work or individuals who don't even live in the same world as the the rest of us. Lawyers who create work for each other. Government employee's with automatic pay raises and benefits the rest of us can only dream about. Intellectuals that live in worlds of their own fabrication and whose hypocrisy is unlimited.

Rule 1: No individual who has not gotten their hands dirty at work can run for office.

Rule 2: No government employee or individual employed by an entity doing business, receiving funding from the government is eligible for public office. 

Rule 3: Individuals running for office are required to liquidate all assets which shall be held in trust by the state for the duration.

Rule 4: All government official fiscal net worth will be audited annually. Individuals whose annual net worth exceeds their annual salary +10% shall be criminally investigated, prosecuted and jailed.

Rule 5: No government official is eligible for a government pension.

Stick to these rules and I have no issue with term limits.

[CrazyCanuck89]

8 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

An interesting question. By career politicians do you mean the socially failed or idle. Our political system seems to attract those who've never done a meaningful day of work or individuals who don't even live in the same world as the the rest of us. Lawyers who create work for each other. Government employee's with automatic pay raises and benefits the rest of us can only dream about. Intellectuals that live in worlds of their own fabrication and whose hypocrisy is unlimited.

Rule 1: No individual who has not gotten their hands dirty at work can run for office.

Rule 2: No government employee or individual employed by an entity doing business, receiving funding from the government is eligible for public office. 

Rule 3: Individuals running for office are required to liquidate all assets which shall be held in trust by the state for the duration.

Rule 4: All government official fiscal net worth will be audited annually. Individuals whose annual net worth exceeds their annual salary +10% shall be criminally investigated, prosecuted and jailed.

Rule 5: No government official is eligible for a government pension.

Stick to these rules and I have no issue with term limits.

Career politicians are guys who were elected in their mid 20s or younger and have never left.  They don't have much real life experience outside of post secondary.

[ExFlyer]

19 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Career politicians are guys who were elected in their mid 20s or younger and have never left.  They don't have much real life experience outside of post secondary.

Or were hangars on when in school and then party helpers then assistants, then secretaries, then party hacks then MP/MLA etc.

No real work except for the party. A la PP? LOL

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Only a handful of our federal leaders have been career politicians.  Some have been lawyers and academics at least but our politicians tend to come from the chattering classes. 

 

As a conservative, I would like to see a compassionate CEO or someone with a knowledge of global trends to restructure our public sphere.

You're not a conservative and i dont' understand why you insist on lying about it .

2 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Do know what a rookie is?  Trudeau was in no way a rookie politician when he became PM.

He was absoutely a rookie politician when he became pm.  And the results show. 

The CPC was right  - it is not an entry level job

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Career politicians are guys who were elected in their mid 20s or younger and have never left.  They don't have much real life experience outside of post secondary.

Same with doctors.  So  you'd be reluctant to hire a doctor who hadn't been like a ceo first?

honestly the whole thing is kind of silly.

Obviously it is desirable to have someone with a great deal of experience doing one of the hardest jobs that there is out there. Being a good MP or a good prime minister or a good cabinet minister is not an easy task. And if you don't know how the system works and how to work it then what happens is the Departments run themselves and the government really is cut out of the loop. And that almost never ends well.

Now you can get bad politicians the same as you can get bad anything. You can also get people that just take to it naturally and seem to be able to do the job well even though they have limited experience.

But the fact is with any job the people that do it well are the people that have been doing it a long time successfully as the voters are holding them to account for the right reasons generally speaking that is what you want.

[CrazyCanuck89]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You're not a conservative and i dont' understand why you insist on lying about it .

He was absoutely a rookie politician when he became pm.  And the results show. 

The CPC was right  - it is not an entry level job

Can't be a rookie politician as PM.  He became an MP in 2008.  Conservatives tend to be bad with dates, meaning of words.

2008-2012 (he would have been a rookie politician)