Candidate for POTUS claims indicted opponent should not be allowed to run

[Moonbox]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Joking aside the perception of many regarding this is going to be a problem moving forward.  Any sane or rational observer aware of the facts of the trial will almost certainly see it as a political hit job. 

Perception is a matter of perspective.  In the MAGA cult's case, the perspective is the reality. 

You say any sane or rational observer sees this as a political hit job, but anyone not subscribing to the cult sees it as a  garbage human being finally getting held to some sort of account.  Al Capone didn't go down for murder, racketeering and bootlegging.  He went down for tax crimes. 

Trump isn't being persecuted.  He's reaping the rewards of all his hard work.  It's cosmic irony to hear him try to spin and lie about this stuff now that he's been convicted.  He's claiming now he never said "Lock her Up" when he was campaigning against Hilary.  Like...Jesus Christ.  How dumb are the rubes following him to believe that?   

Edited June 4 by Moonbox

[myata]

And one more time: establishing the objective truth; a rational discussion; arguments and comparisons based on facts was never the intent of the buzz crowd. The calculation is much simpler: if they throw a ton of hot stinky stuff in the air, some may just stick. Ten tons, more and so on. Simple. Don't feed it.

Edited June 4 by myata

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Then he'll probably sit in prison until he kicks the old pedophile out of the WH next January.

Doubtful he will get more than a year in the pokey.

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

What I'm looking forward to is Trump's response to the banana f*cks - just some good old fashioned retribution for all the corruption in New York.  

Well, he is promising to weaponize the DoJ for PERSONAL RETRIBUTION, while simultaneously criticizing Dems for his pretense they are doing that. 🤮

AKA TOTAL HYPOCRISY.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Perception is a matter of perspective.  In the MAGA cult's case, the perspective is the reality. 

The polling indicates that the middle voters and many of the dem voters also feel this was politically motivated. The polls put that into the 70's as i recall (early polling so we'll see if that changes). The only real difference was that dem voters were much more likely to be ok with that. 

But still at least about 50 percent of the population give or take a point or two has already got serious concerns with it and doesn't feel it was the right thing. 

So already half the population has lost faith in the political process and the courts, and most of  the rest think there was political motivation which means when a democrat gets treated the same way those people will have no problem believing the courts and the politicians are corrupt. Many already expressed that with the abortion decision. 

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

You say any sane or rational observer sees this as a political hit job, but anyone not subscribing to the cult sees it as a  garbage human being finally getting held to some sort of account.  

Al capone wasn't running for office, and the charges against trump weren't  "Being a garbage human". 

As i said before if the charges had been legit, like the ones for his document handling, and he got convicted it wouldn't be an issue.  But these are not legitimate charges, they've been cobbled together in a very questionable way that's never been proposed before. For these charges to be legit there has to be a larger felony crime and nobody's said what that is supposed to be, they just said 'well as long as you believe there is one SOMEWHERE...." .

Al capone got nailed for tax evasion which is a real crime that lots of people got nailed for. Imagine if they'd arrested him for jaywalking and claimed it was a felony as long as the jury thought he MIGHT have been crossing the street to commit some sort of crime. 

Partisan bullcrap aside - if trump loses the election do you think ANY of his supporters will think the election was fair? You think j6 was bad? You think that it's been a divided country so far?  People will lose their goddamned minds and the next person in office will make trump look like an angel. 

 

This is bad. Don't kid yourself. 

 

 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

Then he'll probably sit in prison until he kicks the old pedophile out of the WH next January. 

What I'm looking forward to is Trump's response to the banana f*cks - just some good old fashioned retribution for all the corruption in New York.  

What comes around...goes around.

They set the ground rules.

Turn them on the Democrats. All of them.

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The polling indicates that the middle voters and many of the dem voters also feel this was politically motivated. The polls put that into the 70's as i recall (early polling so we'll see if that changes). The only real difference was that dem voters were much more likely to be ok with that. 

Of course it was politically motivated.  It was election-related fraud by a former president whose made a career out lying and talking trash.  He has the emotional self-control of a 5-year old and can't stop himself from saying dumb shit that gets him in trouble.  He couldn't have made himself a more obvious and welcome target for investigation if he'd been trying.  Politically motivated, however,  is not the same thing as unfair.  

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So already half the population has lost faith in the political process and the courts, and most of  the rest think there was political motivation which means when a democrat gets treated the same way those people will have no problem believing the courts and the politicians are corrupt.

Imagine that.  Folks who blindly follow a man who's spent the last 8 years undermining the legal system, have lost faith in the legal system.  Everyone else?  Different story:

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Al capone wasn't running for office, and the charges against trump weren't  "Being a garbage human". 

They actually changed the laws to be able to go after Al Capone.  He was an obvious criminal who flouted and ridiculed the law, but he had expensive lawyers and accountants and could spend his way out of trouble and hide his trail.  Sounds like someone someone we know...

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Partisan bullcrap aside - if trump loses the election do you think ANY of his supporters will think the election was fair? You think j6 was bad? You think that it's been a divided country so far?  People will lose their goddamned minds and the next person in office will make trump look like an angel. 

They've already lost their goddamn minds.  If they're only going to trust the election results if their guy wins, they don't actually believe in democracy, do they?  Why are they all bragging about the polls right now? 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Moonbox said:

Of course it was politically motivated.  It was election-related fraud by a former president whose made a career out lying and talking trash. 

So what you're saying is you don't understand what 'politically motivated' means. 

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That makes this harder but we'll see how it goes. He has the emotional self-control of a 5-year old and can't stop himself from saying dumb shit that gets him in trouble.  He couldn't have made himself a more obvious and welcome target for investigation if he'd been trying.  Politically motivated, however,  is not the same thing as unfair.  

It is absolutely the same thing. The courts are meant to be neutral. They are not meant to be motivated by politics. They are meant to be impartial arbiters of the law.

I am amazed that I need to explain this to you. In what universe did you think at the courts weren't supposed to be impartial? At least you admit this was a politically biased court case and not one motivated by impartial justice.

 

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So of all likely voters only 44 percent approve. 

Well that's not great. But that's not really what we're talking about. What we're talking about is the faith in our political system. I suspect that as far as approval goes it's split on party lines

 

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Barely half think it was fair. Half. 

Whether they agreed with the outcome or not 100% should think it's fair. The fact that Only half think it was fair is a disaster. That is beyond horrible. And you are presenting it as if it's something to be happy about.

 

This is so simple. You are such a partisan hack that you can't even set aside your own biases for 5 seconds to realize that if the American public loses faith in their courts and their government process then the country will fall apart. And you are applauding it like it's a great thing and that somehow justice has been done.

The court system is not supposed to run on the idea that we bend the law to convict those that we think are bad people. More importantly, it is absolutely vital that we don't do that in order to suppress our political opponents. Using it as an excuse to eliminate a presidential FrontRunner is absolutely horrific

I can't believe you can't see that

 

[Hodad]

56 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

What comes around...goes around.

They set the ground rules.

Turn them on the Democrats. All of them.

Rallies for years to lock up the Clintons and the Bidens for "crimes" not in evidence... then cries persecution when he's prosecuted for blatant crimes that he clearly committed. 

Pretends that President Biden has politicized the justice system... while Hunter Biden is undergoing his own felony trial., 

 

And his followers blindly nod along, because they'll believe anything he says. 

 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Rallies for years to lock up the Clintons and the Bidens for "crimes" not in evidence..

 

First off there was plenty of evidence. The FBI team that was leading the investigation fully and 100% expected her to be charged and convicted. They were shocked when they were ordered not to.

But at the end of the day trump didn't do it. He said that we don't do that kind of thing in this country. Had his followers accepted that and moved on.

Now the very thing he was talked out of doing has been done to him by the very people that said we don't do this kind of thing.

So of course people are furious. If someone tells you that these are the rules and you have to play by the rules and you then play by the rules, you're going to be pretty pissed off when somebody else breaks those rules and laughs at you.

Now the gloves will come off and we'll see what happens when both sides decide they don't want to play by the rules.

[Nationalist]

22 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Rallies for years to lock up the Clintons and the Bidens for "crimes" not in evidence... then cries persecution when he's prosecuted for blatant crimes that he clearly committed. 

Pretends that President Biden has politicized the justice system... while Hunter Biden is undergoing his own felony trial., 

 

And his followers blindly nod along, because they'll believe anything he says. 

 

No. You don't understand at all. It could be DeSantis or just about anyone else. Its not Trump...its the hatred of you disgusting Dweebs. Hatred you dumb fcks have cultured and nurtured. 

Edited June 4 by Nationalist

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. You don't understand at all. It could be DeSantis or just about anyone else. Its not Trump...its the hatred of you disgusting Dweebs. Hatred you dumb fcks have cultured and nurtured. 

Lol. Why don't you take your 7th grade insults and mind your own business. You hate because you're a hateful child throwing a tantrum. When democracy doesn't go your way, you reject democracy.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Lol. Why don't you take your 7th grade insults and mind your own business. You hate because you're a hateful child throwing a tantrum. When democracy doesn't go your way, you reject democracy.

 

so you complain about his insults.... then use the exact same ones back a few seconds later.

Attention span of a gold fish, this one .

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Whether they agreed with the outcome or not 100% should think it's fair. The fact that Only half think it was fair is a disaster. That is beyond horrible. And you are presenting it as if it's something to be happy about.

Because the <40% who don't think it's fair are the same MAGA donkeys who believe absolutely everything that fat orange baboon says no matter what.  They're the same unthinking rubes who still believe the election was stolen.  They were never going to think it was fair, nor will they think it's fair if he loses the election.  Justice...against the people we don't like.  Democracy...but only if our guy wins.  That's the dopey logic you're peddling here.   

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This is so simple. You are such a partisan hack that you can't even set aside your own biases for 5 seconds to realize that if the American public loses faith in their courts and their government process then the country will fall apart. And you are applauding it like it's a great thing and that somehow justice has been done.

The American public didn't lose faith in the legal system.  Donald Trump's MAGA apes did, because he spent the last 8 years doing everything he could to undermine their faith in it, and they can't think for themselves.  Everything is crooked, everything is rigged - the election, the jury, the trial, the WHO - it's all out to get poor Donald.  🙄

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The court system is not supposed to run on the idea that we bend the law to convict those that we think are bad people. More importantly, it is absolutely vital that we don't do that in order to suppress our political opponents. Using it as an excuse to eliminate a presidential FrontRunner is absolutely horrific

They didn't have to bend the law.  Donald Trump leaves a trail of folks he's ripped off, bullied or betrayed wherever he goes, and he's too dumb to not talk himself into trouble.  Michael Cohen was his fall guy back in 2018, and now he's reaping his whirlwind.  

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Because the <40% who don't think it's fair are the same MAGA donkeys who believe absolutely everything that fat orange baboon says no matter what. 

One could just as easily say that the percent that does believe it was fair do so because they are the same woke mindless buffoons who have lost the ability to think for themselves and simply parrot whatever the democrats say.

Boy that was your productive. Maybe if you stopped being a mindless buffoon and set aside your biases and your hatred you see the point being made here. 

And yes, the American people are losing faith in the court system and in the political system. The evidence is everywhere. And no it's not trump.

 

It's unfortunate that you Cannot overcome your blind biases and are left at the mercy of your stupidity. I really don't have the inclination or the crayons necessary to explain this to you. I'll let history show you. But just remember, you literally asked for it.

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

Lol. Why don't you take your 7th grade insults and mind your own business. You hate because you're a hateful child throwing a tantrum. When democracy doesn't go your way, you reject democracy.

 

What you Libbies have concocted is not democracy. It's not even socialist. It's pure fascism. All right out of the Joseph Stalin playbook. Target an enemy and find a crime to pin on said enemy. It's disgusting.

Your time as destroyers of society in lieu of your "new normal" is coming to an end. Even while you drag your political opponents through the mud, you're still losing. 

Nothing...not a single thing...Brandon has done, has benefitted the American people. Yesterday we found out that someone obviously taught Brandon that he actually could do something about the border crisis he created. Granted...it was a rather ineffective and pathetic effort but...we are talking about Brandon so...

There will be a correction. A reversal of all the destructive direction of Brandon. I suspect that's really the biggest fear you Tweenkies have. To have your "new normal" dismantled. When that happens, Americans and indeed the whole world, will see what a true failure this has all been.

Thailand is now joining the BRICS community. China is dumping the USD. you can scoff and attempt to laugh this off but...any rational and honest mind recognizes the demise of American hegemony. And why?

Because this "new normal" is a complete and utter failure. Hopefully Trump or just about any other rational person, can stabilize the situation and salvage some semblance of reliability.

Because you twits and your edicts are a complete failure.

[Rebound]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. You don't understand at all. It could be DeSantis or just about anyone else. Its not Trump...its the hatred of you disgusting Dweebs. Hatred you dumb fcks have cultured and nurtured. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

What you Libbies have concocted is not democracy. It's not even socialist. It's pure fascism. All right out of the Joseph Stalin playbook. Target an enemy and find a crime to pin on said enemy. It's disgusting.

Your time as destroyers of society in lieu of your "new normal" is coming to an end. Even while you drag your political opponents through the mud, you're still losing. 

Nothing...not a single thing...Brandon has done, has benefitted the American people. Yesterday we found out that someone obviously taught Brandon that he actually could do something about the border crisis he created. Granted...it was a rather ineffective and pathetic effort but...we are talking about Brandon so...

There will be a correction. A reversal of all the destructive direction of Brandon. I suspect that's really the biggest fear you Tweenkies have. To have your "new normal" dismantled. When that happens, Americans and indeed the whole world, will see what a true failure this has all been.

Thailand is now joining the BRICS community. China is dumping the USD. you can scoff and attempt to laugh this off but...any rational and honest mind recognizes the demise of American hegemony. And why?

Because this "new normal" is a complete and utter failure. Hopefully Trump or just about any other rational person, can stabilize the situation and salvage some semblance of reliability.

Because you twits and your edicts are a complete failure.

This is another one of those moments when it's clear how wildly divorced from reality you are. Like, in another dimension.

You clearly have no earthly idea what fascism actually means. Your user name is "Nationalist," you're railing against immigration and "globalism" and you think the corrective action is for an authoritarian strongman to come in, clean house and get rid of the democratic opposition.  --- And you want to call other people fascists. 🤪

Your proud and persistent ignorance notwithstanding, at some level even you have to realize that you're the fascists--and apparently loving every minute of it.

Biden, on the other hand, like Obama before him, is a mainstream moderate. Nothing radical or unconventional about him in the least. And yes, with the exception of inflation (an inescapable outcome of the pandemic and response) every economic indicator is better than when Biden took office. Simple facts. And the reality is that the long-term investments in American manufacturing with the CHIPS and IRA acts support important long-term strategic and economic objectives. I know those things are not as important to you as "owning the libs," but Americans do care.

 

 

[Deluge]

On 6/3/2024 at 3:03 PM, robosmith said:

You're right. The jury is not convicted felons.

They should be for being complicit in that political witch burning. 

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Deluge said:

They should be for being complicit in that political witch burning. 

To be fair - this isn't their fault and when someone gets jury duty it is their responsibility to step up and do the job. 

the problem is the judges instructions left them very limited room to maneuver.  They're supposed to be the ones making the decision but if the judge frames things in a certain way (not to mention controls the evidence they get to see) it's very easy to control the outcome.  It's like a shell game or a card trick - of course you'll pick the one the magician wants you to. 

The jury made the decision that the judge wanted them to make. They requested to hear the judges instructions again for a reason.  

We can't blame people for being manipulated by pros. 

[Deluge]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

To be fair - this isn't their fault and when someone gets jury duty it is their responsibility to step up and do the job. 

the problem is the judges instructions left them very limited room to maneuver.  They're supposed to be the ones making the decision but if the judge frames things in a certain way (not to mention controls the evidence they get to see) it's very easy to control the outcome.  It's like a shell game or a card trick - of course you'll pick the one the magician wants you to. 

The jury made the decision that the judge wanted them to make. They requested to hear the judges instructions again for a reason.  

We can't blame people for being manipulated by pros. 

This is a really good point. It's too bad there isn't recourse for this kind of bullshit. Especially if you're a juror and you can see what's going on. 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

This is a really good point. It's too bad there isn't recourse for this kind of bullshit. Especially if you're a juror and you can see what's going on. 

Well there is, it's the court of appeals. And there's enough grounds for appeal in this case to drive a truck through. So we'll see what happens. 

But of course that will take place after the election.  The whole point here was to use the courts to destroy their political opponent and they will now be in a very good position to do that. 6 months of house arrest (to show 'leniency' ) should make it a lot harder for trump to campaign. 

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Well there is, it's the court of appeals. And there's enough grounds for appeal in this case to drive a truck through. So we'll see what happens. 

But of course that will take place after the election.  The whole point here was to use the courts to destroy their political opponent and they will now be in a very good position to do that. 6 months of house arrest (to show 'leniency' ) should make it a lot harder for trump to campaign. 

And it all backfired. It's funny that those ldiots couldn't see this coming. lol

[reason10]

On 6/3/2024 at 4:20 PM, Aristides said:

Ah, America, where convicted felons can't vote but they can become President.

In America, where NAZIS dress up as Democrats and use the court system to take down political opponents who are too high in the polls.  Seig Heil, DemoNazis.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Deluge said:

And it all backfired. It's funny that those ldiots couldn't see this coming. lol

it may. But it is way too soon to tell. However whether or not public opinion turns a little bit right now the fact is that if he is unable to campaign for months it absolutely will have an impact. It may not be enough of an impact to cause him to lose but it will definitely reduce his chances.

Getting out and doing rallies is one of trump's signature campaign styles. If that is hampered it will be a problem for him. That's what they're counting on I'm sure.

The question will be is there enough of a backlash to force the judge to reconsider and let him off with no jail time or house arrest. Without a doubt for a first time offender of his age that would normally be the case, although the judge will probably say that he's not repentant. If enough people are furious over this questionable trial then the judge may have to back off a bit to avoid a public outrage. But so far it has not reached that level.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

They should be for being complicit in that political witch burning. 

Too good ^YOUR OPINION means NOTHING in COURT.