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Ontario to allow more booze sold in grocery, big box and convenience stores, $225M subsidy for The Beer Store


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On 5/29/2024 at 8:09 PM, taxme said:

Why is the government always trying to subsidy's some big corporations? If the big boys cannot make it on their own, then let them go broke or go smaller and allow the free enterprise ma and pa stores to do the job. Our governments are suppose to be their to protect the rights and freedoms of their citizen's and protect us from criminals. The government should not be in the business of running a business. We truly are living in a nanny-state here in Canada. 👎

When i first moved to BC, all i could see is empty beer bottles and cans lying around everywhere. No doubt due to the ancient archaic liquor laws in BC at the time. I traveled a lot in Washington state and i never saw beer bottles or cans on their roads. No doubt due to their lax laws on liquor laws. But since EXPO 86, some liquor laws had to be changed and modernized to welcome the rest of the world. At one time here in BC, a pub was only allowed to have one TV in their establishment. How ridiculous is that?  

I think that it will be a long time before we even get to be able to buy liquor in a grocery store, never mind at a gas station. I guess that this is what socialism is all about. Government knows best. 😁😁

When I first visited Ontario in the late 70's  (I am from BC) , there was a Mens and Womens side of any pub with a wall between them. You could only get a glass of beer in 6 ounce glasses. You could not go and get a case of beer, you had to fill out a form and someone went in the back and got it for you.

Empties all over was a problem with BC's lack of a recycle program.

Lots of changes over the years in all provinces.

I think Ontario paid Beer Store because they intend to sell beers etc a year earlier than initially announced.

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Question: While The Beave and other such Tweenkies are howling mad about this...What happens to prices after the lack of unionized cashiers is realized?

Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.

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6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Question: While The Beave and other such Tweenkies are howling mad about this...What happens to prices after the lack of unionized cashiers is realized?

And shelf stackers and all others?

I cannot understand why there is such backlash.

Losing beer stores is not an issue. the only ones to lose are the owners of the Beer stores and they are the big international brewer

Some LCBO stores will shut down and people laid off. That is all good for taxpayers.

As for the government, they lose nothing, they actually gain as they will not have to pay rents, taxes on property etc. They still make money on every bottle or can that is sold so, the will make more money.

This As for paying the beer store millions, well, they are paying them to pull out early. One year later it will balance out.

It all seems like a great idea to me.

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6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Question: While The Beave and other such Tweenkies are howling mad about this...What happens to prices after the lack of unionized cashiers is realized?

It goes up. Only a fool would think otherwise.

 

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On 5/30/2024 at 12:05 PM, herbie said:

Buying liquor at gas stations is an absolutely retarded idea.

Why?

 

On 5/30/2024 at 12:05 PM, herbie said:

Buying wine at the supermarket or a mickey at the private beer store is something Ontario should've allowed 30 years ago.

In Alberta, one can buy liquor at private stores. It;s always been that way.

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3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You really do live in an alternate reality.

No you really do if you think prices will go down. On 16 yr old running a multi-pump gas station and convenience store selling booze too in the middle of the night for as little as they can legaally pay is a good idea cuz you might save a nickel. When they'll pocket the wage savings and charge you a dollar more in reality.

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3 hours ago, herbie said:

No you really do if you think prices will go down. On 16 yr old running a multi-pump gas station and convenience store selling booze too in the middle of the night for as little as they can legaally pay is a good idea cuz you might save a nickel. When they'll pocket the wage savings and charge you a dollar more in reality.

Where in Canada has that happened ever? Where did they decertify a union and then prices went up as a result? If anything non-union places seem to be able to provide goods cheaper

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13 hours ago, herbie said:

No you really do if you think prices will go down. On 16 yr old running a multi-pump gas station and convenience store selling booze too in the middle of the night for as little as they can legaally pay is a good idea cuz you might save a nickel. When they'll pocket the wage savings and charge you a dollar more in reality.

No one anywhere said anything about prices going down.

What is said is that you will be able to buy booze at stores other than LCBO and Beer Store.

No one can say what prices will be,  yet. What will be certain about prices is that the government will still get it's money from whomever want to sell booze.

Mellow out and don't let you imagination run rampant LOL

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17 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Why?

 

In Alberta, one can buy liquor at private stores. It;s always been that way.

well...no...it hasn't always been that way.

Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.

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3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

No one anywhere said anything about prices going down.

Well I don't think Nationalist is the type to worrying about pocketing the wage savings, do you?

On the other hand here at least they make jobs for people not fit to work elsewhere. A field they have some knowledge in....
uhhh this is the best beer, it's 7% and comes in tall boys...
Rotten Frog Rose goes great with chicken wings...

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On 5/26/2024 at 2:43 PM, ironstone said:

I wouldn't mind seeing the entire market for booze open up so we could actually have some real competition for a change. Why not let businesses like Walmart or Costco sell booze?

Governments do not always know what's best.

 

Walmarts can already sell beer, wine and mixed cocktails. 

Bottles of liqour will be the domain of the LCBO for awhile. And I don't actually mind that. Their selection is good. 

But sometimes someone wants to get a 6-pack at 9pm on a Saturday at the Mac's Milk (or whatever it's called now). 

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And now "LCBO workers vote in favour of strike:"

https://globalnews.ca/news/10569726/lcbo-strike-vote-ontario/

Ford, hurry up and get booze and beer in stores so you can fire or lay  off all those lazy assed shelf stockers at LCBO.

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So, the LCBO workers strike have enables Ontario to hasten the sale of booze in grocery and convenience stores.

If there was ever a union screwing it's workers, OPSEU is doing it to it's workers.

Thing is, the union is saying the government is going to lose money when in fact, if they shut down the stores and lay off workers, they save a lot more money that anticipated.

Ontario still controls all import and sals of all alcohol so they make money regardless of who or where it is sold. They just do not have to pay rent, lease, facility upkeep and wages and benefits.

Yup, another union debacle LOL

"The Ontario government says ready-to-drink beverages, such as coolers and seltzers, and large packs of beer will be coming to grocery stores across the province ahead of schedule.

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Ontarians will be able to get these types of alcohol starting on Thursday, July 18."

https://globalnews.ca/news/10624118/ontario-alcohol-grocery-stores/

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On 6/10/2024 at 5:03 PM, herbie said:

It goes up. Only a fool would think otherwise.

 

The price is already kept high for "Social Responsibility" sake. 

You can buy an alcohol from the source and still pay the same or more than at the LCBO because it's mandated. 

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5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

So, the LCBO workers strike have enables Ontario to hasten the sale of booze in grocery and convenience stores.

If there was ever a union screwing it's workers, OPSEU is doing it to it's workers.

Thing is, the union is saying the government is going to lose money when in fact, if they shut down the stores and lay off workers, they save a lot more money that anticipated.

Ontario still controls all import and sals of all alcohol so they make money regardless of who or where it is sold. They just do not have to pay rent, lease, facility upkeep and wages and benefits.

Yup, another union debacle LOL

"The Ontario government says ready-to-drink beverages, such as coolers and seltzers, and large packs of beer will be coming to grocery stores across the province ahead of schedule.

70c8fc80

Ontarians will be able to get these types of alcohol starting on Thursday, July 18."

https://globalnews.ca/news/10624118/ontario-alcohol-grocery-stores/

The irony is that the deal wasn't even about the LCBO. Their business model wasn't changing. Are SAQs closing enmasse in Quebec? 

DoFo bought out the same type of big corporations from running the Beer Store's monopoly on selling anything more than a 6-pack. 

The LCBO union is also angry that these new coolers made with liqour will be included in the items that can be sold at private retailers. They want that potential money all to themselves. 

This is all about a Monopoly stamping its feet that they may need to face some competition. All the while consumers are finding new ways to purchase alcohol. Buying from the source is always a good option. 

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

The irony is that the deal wasn't even about the LCBO. Their business model wasn't changing. Are SAQs closing enmasse in Quebec? 

DoFo bought out the same type of big corporations from running the Beer Store's monopoly on selling anything more than a 6-pack. 

The LCBO union is also angry that these new coolers made with liqour will be included in the items that can be sold at private retailers. They want that potential money all to themselves. 

This is all about a Monopoly stamping its feet that they may need to face some competition. All the while consumers are finding new ways to purchase alcohol. Buying from the source is always a good option. 

There is no irony at all. Ford promised booze in grocery and convenience stores from the beginning. The LCBO is and has been a "monopoly" since day one.

The LCBO "business model" is the same now as it is in the beginning. They are the sole wholesale seller of alcohol. The LCBO is just probably going to get out of the retail business. On the news yesterday they said they issued over 1800 retail licences to convenience stores a

The SAQ is the same as LCBO. It is the sole seller of alcohol to retailers. And is doing quite well. You can get beer and alcohol in stores in Quebec. SAQ sptres are  not the on;y retailer.

LCBO is not angry...the union is. They see the end of the need for LCBO stores. There will still be employees but in the import department, the buying department, the warehouse and distribution. Just no stores.

I love te idea of going to the corner store to get my booze.

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18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

LCBO is not angry...the union is. They see the end of the need for LCBO stores. There will still be employees but in the import department, the buying department, the warehouse and distribution. Just no stores.

I love te idea of going to the corner store to get my booze.

I'm not much of a beer or wine drinker. My drink of choice is Rye or Bourbon. I always go to the LCBO, I have one very close to me. The LCBO stores will still be able to compete with selection and liquor in large bottles.

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19 minutes ago, Boges said:

I'm not much of a beer or wine drinker. My drink of choice is Rye or Bourbon. I always go to the LCBO, I have one very close to me. The LCBO stores will still be able to compete with selection and liquor in large bottles.

Now you can go to your corner store.

I also think some LCBO's will stay open. I think a bunch/most will close though.

Are you aawre that the manager of your favourite LCBO decides what is in stock? They have to sell and they know what sells in their store and keeps that in stock. I know one of the stores in my ara sells certain brands and the other does not carry them. That will be the same for the corner stores, they stock what sells so, if you are good customer, they will bring in what you want.

The LCBO workers union has not done them any favours. Giving the government more reason to shuffle things around and shut things down.s

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/07/16/lcbo-ad-strike-opseu-union-doug-ford/

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4 hours ago, Boges said:

The price is already kept high for "Social Responsibility" sake. 

You can buy an alcohol from the source and still pay the same or more than at the LCBO because it's mandated. 

The private sellers have no interest in the social responsibility aspect, that's in the wholesale price. They're only interested in their profits.
Most of them charge a buck or two more than the govt LCB  but there can be the odd promotion the govt one doesn't pass on. They also sell hard liquor but not in grocery stores. No beer & wine sales allowed here in corner stores just some major supermarkets that will jump through all the hoops. Not Costco or WalMart yet.

The day they let 7-11 sell beer at 3 am with a single teenager at minimum wage on staff is the day we'll start fire bombing them. And turfing any Party or MLA suggesting beer sales at Gas Strations.

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1 minute ago, herbie said:

The day they let 7-11 sell beer at 3 am with a single teenager at minimum wage on staff is the day we'll start fire bombing them. And turfing any Party or MLA suggesting beer sales at Gas Strations.

Ahhh yes, always the threat of violence from the left.  Well i suppose at least you didn't threaten to shoot his ear off. 

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14 hours ago, herbie said:

The private sellers have no interest in the social responsibility aspect, that's in the wholesale price. They're only interested in their profits.
Most of them charge a buck or two more than the govt LCB  but there can be the odd promotion the govt one doesn't pass on. They also sell hard liquor but not in grocery stores. No beer & wine sales allowed here in corner stores just some major supermarkets that will jump through all the hoops. Not Costco or WalMart yet.

The day they let 7-11 sell beer at 3 am with a single teenager at minimum wage on staff is the day we'll start fire bombing them. And turfing any Party or MLA suggesting beer sales at Gas Strations.

Grocery stores are slow to apply for licences but they will be onboard pretty soon. They need corporate permission and processes and policy first.

As for what stores and when sales will happen is yet to be seen but, why does anyone think Ontario will not allow what other counties in the world are presently doing? I do  not think anyone under the age of majority wil be able to sell alcohol, of any kind.

I am so happy to have Ontario come out of the dark ages when it comes to alcohol sales.

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16 hours ago, herbie said:

The day they let 7-11 sell beer at 3 am with a single teenager at minimum wage on staff is the day we'll start fire bombing them. And turfing any Party or MLA suggesting beer sales at Gas Strations.

It's just fear-mongering to suggest that selling beer and wine at corner stores and gas stations will lead to anarchy. They already sell Tobacco and have to comply with all the hoops that come with selling those products. 

No one is stopping shop-lifting at the LCBO. 

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OMG standing up to support 7-11 ?
FFS are you brainwashed to the idea that exploiting the employees is gonna save you a nickel?
Fine in the Superstore where there's multiple trained staff who give a shit, but 7-11? Come on let's get real here.
The private liquor stores can be bad enough with any bozo who can show up the day after payday and recommend beers 'cuz they're hitests' or 'cuz they only come in tallboy cans', wines named Dead Frog or Rotten Grape cuz they have screwtop and are cheap.

Check out a modernized BC LCB with a huge selection, sample tastngs, walls of chilled beer & drinks, staff that knows WTF they're talking about and extended hours. Or small town Alberta where there's a church on every corner with 2 liquor stores between.

yeah it's 'convenient' but very little advantage to people that don't drink A LOT.

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