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6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Trudeau isn't dumb enough to use a magic marker to draw in an expanded hurricane target area in order to convince the media he didn't misspeak. Trudeau doesn't generally tell lies that are easily and instantly proved, like being named man of the year multiple years running (he wasn't) or that the head of the boy scouts tells him his stupid, nasty speech was the greatest speech of anyone who ever talked to the boy scouts (no call made) or saying his immigrant father wasn't an immigrant.

Trump is shallow, callow, ignorant, miseducated, and pretty much without merit, but he's nowhere near as dumb or as cruel as Trump.

I think Trump is a better person than Trudeau.  At least with Trump you know what you’re getting because he tells you.  Trudeau is a phoney.  Trump’s policies are relatively good for America.  Trudeau’s policies are clearly bad for Canada.  I don’t care if Trump fcked Stormy Daniels and gave her money to say nothing about it, especially since she did say a lot about it and made a lot of money doing so.  The attacks on Trump are legion and demonstrate how politicized the courts are.  I don’t care about January 6 because it’s clear that the Dems tried to keep the police from intervening when any rioting could’ve been headed off.

Do I think Trump’s a great guy?  No, but I’d rather chat with Trump than Trudeau.  The track record speaks for itself: booming economy and no wars.  

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1 hour ago, herbie said:

Either you confuse cunning and maliciousness as signs of intelligence, or you're stupid all the way down to your bones.

Being a leftie you of course weren't smart enough to realize the third option...  however dumb you think trump is, justin is just that much dumber :) 


 

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3 hours ago, herbie said:

Can't argue the statement, must resort to ad hominem while claiming to be a Judge of intelligence.

Just curious herbie . . . . you defend and excuse Trudeau at every turn, and I'm wondering if you're on some type of govt. dole or payment?  Kind'a like the CBC, but on a personal level.  What say you?

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On 5/14/2024 at 1:24 PM, I am Groot said:

Ivison's column today contains references to Trudeau's performance as PM by those who know it best - his cabinet. And just like those who once worked for Trump, few of them have much flattering to say. But this paragraph particularly caught my attention:

Trudeau has no apparent interest in the banalities of government, including the management of his cabinet or caucus. Ministers — senior ministers — report that they rarely talk about their portfolios with their boss. In the 2018 book, Un selfie avec Justin Trudeau, Jocelyn Coulon, a former adviser to Stéphane Dion, said the relationship between prime minister and his then foreign affairs minister was “glacial” and the only private meeting the two men had was when Dion was fired. “The prime minister is a man incurious about the affairs of the world,” Coulon remarked.

The word 'incurious' has often been used to describe Trump. So has his lack of interest in the 'banalities of government'. Both men are, of course, narcissists. Both lie quite frequently and both hold grudges. Both are are divisive and more interested in scoring political points than governing effectively, as ex-Finance Minister Morneau says. Both were born with silver spoons in their mouths, went to private schools, and seek the attention and approval of the wealthy while claiming to be a 'man of the people'. Trump pretends to be religious while Trudeau affects a desperate wokeness. I equate his taking the limo to a BLM demonstration (in the midst of a covid lockdown) to take a knee to Trump hugging the flag on stage. They were both performative and cringe-inducing. 

Another paragraph that so aptly describes this government is this one:

The sage of Baltimore, Henry Louis Mencken, once satirized a government that sounds remarkably like Trudeau’s as a “a broker in pillage”: a collection of individuals whose only talent was getting and holding office and whose principal device was “to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can’t get and promise to give it to them. Nine times out of 10, that promise is worth nothing. The 10th time it is made good by looting A to satisfy B.”

One key difference is that Trudeau is simply a spokesmodel for a political establishment. I’d be surprised if he personally influenced much of the policy from his government   He is an actor, hired to play a role by the Liberal inner circle. 
 

Trump on the other had is no puppet. He is a mad king who rules by decree. The people surrounding him are an ever-evolving mob of sycophants and grifters trying to profit from kissing his ring. Trump’s policies if you can even call them that are an incoherent mashup of half-baked conspiracies, tired hackneyed tropes, and rewards to those who have sufficiently bribed/flattered his ego like Saudis and Conrad Black and Blagojevich   

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6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

One key difference is that Trudeau is simply a spokesmodel for a political establishment. I’d be surprised if he personally influenced much of the policy from his government   He is an actor, hired to play a role by the Liberal inner circle. 

It may seem that way but while he is an airhead his lifelong friend Gerald butts is not.

Trudeau tremendously influences policy. It's legitimately almost all him. Gerald has helped surround Trudeau with loyal minions who suppress anybody in the party who dares even think against Trudeau.

Trudeau is not window dressing. Which is one of the reasons why canada has failed so badly under his rule. If he was just a puppet then competent people in the background would be pulling his strings and we'd be much better off

In fact you kind of got it backwards. Justin is absolutely in control of his government, whereas trump actually is hemmed in by his bureaucracy which deliberately throws sabo's and monkey wrenches into his ideas and slows them to a crawl or kills them where they are not appropriate. It has been mentioned many times that if he insisted on something insane then they would drag their feet, claim someone was working on it, and delay because he would likely forget before long and they could ignore it.

Trudeau is anything but a puppet

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2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What say you?

That I don't do. Just so happens that here no one can critique  an actual Liberal  policy other than claiming Trudeau invented it himself so therefore it's no good. Definitely no one can even suggest an acceptable alternative to any of those policies.

I heard of an alternative somewhere: Get rid of the carbon tax on fuel altogether and charge a $5000.00 per litre Carbon Tariff on IC engines over 1 L. That will bring in revenue in lump sums and cut CO2 emissions fast.

I also suggested raising the capital gains increase to $500,000 so it would barely affect the middle class. And putting more decision making into the hands of people who USE the products and services rather than bean counters, goody two shoesers and mindless drones.

No one else here even tries.

 

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It may seem that way but while he is an airhead his lifelong friend Gerald butts is not.

Trudeau tremendously influences policy. It's legitimately almost all him. Gerald has helped surround Trudeau with loyal minions who suppress anybody in the party who dares even think against Trudeau.

Trudeau is not window dressing. Which is one of the reasons why canada has failed so badly under his rule. If he was just a puppet then competent people in the background would be pulling his strings and we'd be much better off

In fact you kind of got it backwards. Justin is absolutely in control of his government, whereas trump actually is hemmed in by his bureaucracy which deliberately throws sabo's and monkey wrenches into his ideas and slows them to a crawl or kills them where they are not appropriate. It has been mentioned many times that if he insisted on something insane then they would drag their feet, claim someone was working on it, and delay because he would likely forget before long and they could ignore it.

Trudeau is anything but a puppet

I dunno, it can’t be as you say and also as per the OP:

 

Trudeau has no apparent interest in the banalities of government, including the management of his cabinet orcaucus. Ministers — senior ministers — report that they rarely talk about their portfolios with their boss. In the 2018 book, Un selfie avec Justin Trudeau, Jocelyn Coulon, a former adviser to Stéphane Dion, said the relationship between prime minister and his then foreign affairs minister was “glacial” and the only private meeting the two men had was when Dion was fired. “The prime minister is a man incurious about the affairs of the world,” Coulon remarked.

 

Competemt people an be pulling his strings while still making policy decisions that haven’t worked out and maybe never would work out, and things may not he great but claims that Canada “is failing so badly” are also exaggerated. We have our share of problems at them moment but these problems are also being faced by peer countries across the west, some of which were decades in the making by multiple levels of government and multiple governing parties. Everyone agrees it’s time to change governments and Poillievre will eventually have his share or problems and bad policies too. 

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2 hours ago, herbie said:

That I don't do.

 

But you do.  All the time.  If everyone else can see it then you need to accept that if you're not then you're faking it exceptionally convincingly. 

You defend the libs even when it's absurd to do so and your arguments are laughable - it's pretty clear you're frequency desperate to do so. 

Nobody's buying your crap 

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2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I dunno, it can’t be as you say and also as per the OP:

Sigh .Sure it can, Lets look, (why do i always have to explain this simple stuff like you were in highschool?)

 

Trudeau has no apparent interest in the banalities of government, including the management of his cabinet orcaucus. Ministers — senior ministers — report that they rarely talk about their portfolios with their boss. In the 2018 book, Un selfie avec Justin Trudeau, Jocelyn Coulon, a former adviser to Stéphane Dion, said the relationship between prime minister and his then foreign affairs minister was “glacial” and the only private meeting the two men had was when Dion was fired. “The prime minister is a man incurious about the affairs of the world,” Coulon remarked.

So. Your argument is that trudeau can't be in charge because he doesn't talk to his ministers and doesn't seem to show an interest 

Think about it for a moment .  We know that he gives instructions to his ministers. He keeps sending them those letters and directives and such that make their way into the paper. The ministers say they don't get to consult with him. So in other words he doesn't listen to them he just tells them what he wants and what policy is and says they have to figure it out.

That is literally the definition of someone who is absolutely in charge and not listening to others. You are 100% wrong I suggesting that it somehow shows the opposite.

Trudeau is the boss. He doesn't care what his minister's opinions are. He doesn't care what the experts opinions are. He decides what he thinks is best based on whatever his little brain and his echo chamber say that day and he gives instruction.

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Competemt people an be pulling his strings while still making policy decisions

Nope, not a one. Read some of the commentary from the first finance ministers book. The experts beg him not to do what he does. He ignores them completely and demotes them if they persist. He is a one-man show giving instructions. That is one of the reasons why we are in this mess. Take a look around at what happened to Canada and tell me you think this is being run by experts behind the scenes. It is not. It is being run by a completely incompetent part-time school teacher who got elected because he had nice hair and cool socks. And now he's running the show because he had connections to a couple of people who know how to completely dominate the party structure, Gerald butts being the number one

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7 hours ago, herbie said:

  And putting more decision making into the hands of people who USE the products and services rather than bean counters, goody two shoesers and mindless drones.

No one else here even tries.

 

Hey hey brother... I have been suggesting the decision making approach for years here.  The government's management framework is straight from the 1950s.

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6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I dunno, it can’t be as you say and also as per the OP:

 

Trudeau has no apparent interest in the banalities of government, including the management of his cabinet orcaucus. Ministers — senior ministers — report that they rarely talk about their portfolios with their boss. In the 2018 book, Un selfie avec Justin Trudeau, Jocelyn Coulon, a former adviser to Stéphane Dion, said the relationship between prime minister and his then foreign affairs minister was “glacial” and the only private meeting the two men had was when Dion was fired. “The prime minister is a man incurious about the affairs of the world,” Coulon remarked.

 

Competemt people an be pulling his strings while still making policy decisions that haven’t worked out and maybe never would work out, and things may not he great but claims that Canada “is failing so badly” are also exaggerated. We have our share of problems at them moment but these problems are also being faced by peer countries across the west, some of which were decades in the making by multiple levels of government and multiple governing parties. Everyone agrees it’s time to change governments and Poillievre will eventually have his share or problems and bad policies too. 

A balanced and considered viewpoint.  Poilievre's fortunes, I have said, will come with the performance of the economy.  It feels like he is ready to make major changes.  

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10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sigh .Sure it can, Lets look, (why do i always have to explain this simple stuff like you were in highschool?)

Because the stuff you’re trying to explain is nonsense 

 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So. Your argument is that trudeau can't be in charge because he doesn't talk to his ministers and doesn't seem to show an interest 

Yeah, that’s literally the OPPOSITE of a micromanager. It shows he’s out of touch and doesn’t know or care about what is going on in his Minister’s Departments 

 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Think about it for a moment .  We know that he gives instructions to his ministers. He keeps sending them those letters and directives and such that make their way into the paper. The ministers say they don't get to consult with him. So in other words he doesn't listen to them he just tells them what he wants and what policy is and says they have to figure it out

OMG. Those once-per election Mandate Letters are something every government in every party does, you know that right?  It just a letter that spells out a t a high level what their priorities are. The only thing different about JT is that unlike others he made his letters public…again part of the theatre.  Besides only a fool would think JT giving someone one letter upon hire and then barely ever speaking to or inquiring about their work again and being “incurious” “proves” he’s in charge. 
 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That is literally the definition of someone who is absolutely in charge and not listening to others. You are 100% wrong I suggesting that it somehow shows the opposite.

Lol no it is literally the definition of someone who is not in charge.He’s the boss in name only. 
 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope, not a one. Read some of the commentary from the first finance ministers book. The experts beg him not to do what he does. He ignores them completely and demotes them if they persist. He is a one-man show giving instructions. That is one of the reasons why we are in this mess. Take a look around at what happened to Canada and tell me you think this is being run by experts behind the scenes. It is not. It is being run by a completely incompetent part-time school teacher who got elected because he had nice hair and cool socks. And now he's running the show because he had connections to a couple of people who know how to completely dominate the party structure, Gerald butts being the number one

Gerald Butts resigned 5 years ago. He may still be a big mover and shaker in the party somehow through private relationships, I don’t know. Competent people make mistakes and bad policies all the time. How many rockets did NASA crash and burn before figuring out how to achieve space flight? A lot.   How many successful business and political leaders had ideas that failed before and after achieving success? Most of them.  I didn’t say the Liberal brain trust’s policies were good ones or successful ones, all policies are compromises between different internal and external groups and competing interests and many policies that fail are sound on paper but impractical in the real world. It’s quite clear this stuff doesn’t come from someone as vapid and disinterested as JT himself. There is a whole ecosystem of progressive policymakers thought leaders etc in politics, academia and elsewhere in society, all influencing and accessing different levels of government in different ways: as lobbyists, advisors, as government employees, and as people who otherwise influence these groups through books, speeches, advocacy etc. 

 

I know as a conservative you NEED to believe that the liberal-du-jour is the antichrist and the conservative-du-jour is the messiah himself, every election it's the same, it’s never been different and it never will be.  Messianic hero worship of the current Dear Leader is an inherent feature of conservatism, and accordingly demonization of the hated rival is also. But this time, Trudeau is not the evil mastermind you make him out to be, he’s the vapid spokesmodel. 

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7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hey hey brother... I have been suggesting the decision making approach for years here.  The government's management framework is straight from the 1950s.

That is the inevitable result of the gov't managing anything.  

You can have it done right, you can have it done at an affordable price, you can have it done by the gov't.  Pick two. 

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8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The government's management framework is straight from the 1950s.

As someone involved in the computer scene as long as Bill Gates and founder of the first Internet access in this part of BC, it absolutely infuriates me to see the levels of incompetence demonstrated by both govt and large traditional business in those areas.

The BS with ArriveCan was inevitable.

From large Hotels that paid #35,000 for a website than nowhere stated their phone number or street address to small shops asking me to make them a site but won't even provide a summary of WTF they do or why anyone should consider them, to CRA websites that need a 'secret code' they send by snail mail (when they get around to it) to other govt sites that link to 404 pages or back to themselves.... arrrrgghhhh!
Worked for an agency that tied into govt sites and required 2 or 3 hours of security mods on IE6, worked perfectly fine with FFox but you weren't "allowed" to use FFox or a Mac... aaaiiieee!
Or custom code stuff some techie wrote, they decided they didn't want to pay his increasing rates and no one else could alter. No one thought what happens if the coder dies or goes out of business?
 

 

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1 hour ago, herbie said:

As someone involved in the computer scene as long as Bill Gates and founder of the first Internet access in this part of BC, it absolutely infuriates me to see the levels of incompetence demonstrated by both govt and large traditional business in those areas.

 

I think I've posted that I worked on some government stuff and it was pure Twilight zone. Nobody knew what was going on, and if they did there were dozens of people forward deployed towards doing nothing.

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3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Because the stuff you’re trying to explain is nonsense 

I'm sure math seems like nonsense to a dog' ;)  Be smarter than the dog. 

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Yeah, that’s literally the OPPOSITE of a micromanager. It shows he’s out of touch and doesn’t know or care about what is going on in his Minister’s Departments 

Being out of touch and not knowing what's going on is one of the problems with micromanagement. You're literally describing one of the symptoms of micromanagement. If having a clear picture and making good decisions was one of the things that micromanagement led to, we would think of it as a good thing.

But his problem is more along the lines of being a dictator rather than a micromanager. All he wants pursued is his ideology, and the consequences are of little interest to him

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OMG. Those once-per election Mandate Letters are something every government in every party does

All right  - pick a year and post all of harper's from that year. 

No? How about chretien? 

Still no? Hmmmm.  

sorry kiddo. While it is common for prime ministers to give marching orders to their departments in writing, Trudeau took it to a completely different level. And he made it public so that if they did anything other than deliver on his he could point and say this is what you were supposed to do.

But it is not just those letters.

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Lol no it is literally the definition of someone who is not in charge.He’s the boss in name only. 

Nope  sorry kid no matter how desperate you are for it to be different i'm afraid that's just not true.
 

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Gerald Butts resigned 5 years ago. He may still be a big mover and shaker in the party somehow through private relationships, I don’t know. 

there are a shockingly large number of things you don't know. He was dismissed for appearance purposes as Trudeau secretary, and 6 months later was rehired as Trudeau's "campaign" manager And still runs the party and who has access to Trudeau. You would have to do some reading to realize how critical butts was to Trudeau and how far back they go.

But as you say, you don't really understand any of this.

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I know as a conservative you NEED to believe that the liberal-du-jour is the antichrist and the conservative-du-jour is the messiah himself, every election it's the same, it’s never been different and it never will be.  Messianic hero worship of the current Dear Leader is an inherent feature of conservatism, and accordingly demonization of the hated rival is also. But this time, Trudeau is not the evil mastermind you make him out to be, he’s the vapid spokesmodel. 

LOL :)  Tell me you are desperate without telling me :) 

Judy said the same thing after she was fired as I am saying to you now. His previous finance minister is saying the same thing in his book as I am saying to you now. Everybody knows this to be true. This is why the liberal party has not rebelled against him the way they rebelled against Chretien before now. 

Honestly, you might as well be arguing that Hitler really likes the Jews. That is literally how you sound right now, you are that clueless and out of touch with how it actually works. And it's hardly just me or conservatives that say this.

 

Again, and this should be obvious, this is why we have the disaster on our hands that we have now. If he actually left running the government in the hands of competent people we would be far better off. He does not. He attempts to run everything and control everything himself and the disaster we have before us is the result

 

Sorry to burst your bubble. Next time talk about something you know about. You sound like a complete loser when you make such stupid statements about things that are absolutely outside of your knowledge.

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On 5/17/2024 at 4:47 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I think Trump is a better person than Trudeau.  At least with Trump you know what you’re getting because he tells you.

Disagree. Trump has represented himself as the man of the little people, the man to represent the long ignored 'flyover' country people, the farmers and people living in small towns and cities. The guy who cared about and would fight for blue-collar types. He's nothing of the sort. His time in power was good for investors and bankers, not so much for the blue-collar types. Trump said he had a great new healthcare plan. The plan, it seemed, was to cancel their healthcare and replace it with, well, nothing. Oh, and cancel school lunches. That was a big help.  The only time Trump was honest was when he said he loved the uneducated. He didn't point out he meant that ironically, of course. 

On 5/17/2024 at 4:47 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau is a phoney.  

Absolutely. As is Trump.

Do you know of all the senior people he fired, all the cabinet ministers and national security advisors and heads of departments like the FBI he didn't fire a single one personally? Not even on the phone. They were all fired by other people when they were out of the white house, or even better, in another city. He didn't have the balls to say "You're fired!" to a single damned one of them.

On 5/17/2024 at 4:47 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Trump’s policies are relatively good for America.

In the short term, some were. Letting companies bring money home without heavily taxing it at least pulled money back into the economy, and was good for investors (the vast majority of whom are rich anyway). Cutting the taxes for those companies also spurred the economy. And also hugely increased the deficit, which is definitely not good in the long term. His so-called trade war with China only helped China and hurt American farmers. His cutting pollution laws helped companies' bottom line but didn't help the air and water of the people who lived near them. His f*cked up foreign policy was the dismay of allies and the delight of enemies, who discovered that a little flattery and a parade would get them almost anything they wanted from him. And like Trudeau, he refused to do anything about foreign election interference because it was aimed at helping him.

 

On 5/17/2024 at 4:47 PM, Zeitgeist said:

 The attacks on Trump are legion and demonstrate how politicized the courts are.  

They are, but that doesn't mean a sleazbag like Trump hasn't broken the law many times. His own (ghost written) book bragged about how he got around rules and regulations and did deals with organized crime. I'm quite sure that a solid investigation would show he'd been involved in money laundering and sanctions busting before he became president. His son pretty much suggested it when saying that after their bankruptcy only Russian money saved Trump Enterprises. And his bafflingly stupid efforts at resisting the results of the election set an all-time low in American politics.

On 5/17/2024 at 4:47 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Do I think Trump’s a great guy?  No, but I’d rather chat with Trump than Trudeau.  The track record speaks for itself: booming economy and no wars.  

The American economy is booming now. And the much of the inflation is a result of past excesses under Trump, among others. You can only borrow vast sums of money for so long before inflation shows up. Especially as the world returned to work after covid lockdowns and travel started up again. But I no more credit him for a booming economy than I credit Chretien when our economy came back to live (3 or 4 years into his first term in office). Or Harper when oil money poured in. Mostly, governments can hamper economies (as Trudeau is doing now through overregulation and overtaxation), but usually can't do a lot to supercharge them. Especially in one term.

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20 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

One key difference is that Trudeau is simply a spokesmodel for a political establishment. I’d be surprised if he personally influenced much of the policy from his government   He is an actor, hired to play a role by the Liberal inner circle. 
 

Trump on the other had is no puppet. He is a mad king who rules by decree. The people surrounding him are an ever-evolving mob of sycophants and grifters trying to profit from kissing his ring. Trump’s policies if you can even call them that are an incoherent mashup of half-baked conspiracies, tired hackneyed tropes, and rewards to those who have sufficiently bribed/flattered his ego like Saudis and Conrad Black and Blagojevich   

I don't disagree about Trump, but from what we've heard from previous aids and cabinet ministers Trudeau's PMO controls everything. And in Canadaland the PM is the dictator of the party. I don't think some hidden Liberal insiders are telling him who to hire or what they should say. I'm sure they have some influence over him, as in discouraging any action against China, for example. But Trudeau is the aloof and arrogant man who rarely even sees his cabinet ministers and is uninterested in their opinions when he does.

The political establishment got him into power, but once in power he took the reins himself, unfortunately. I think we'd all be better off if there was some hidden cabal behind him giving him instructions. God knows he could use some.

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

pure Twilight zone

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I remember a British postwar scifi novel where this guy found all these people wandering subways and under bridges bumping into walls and saying "Oim dud"... they were Zombie  civil servants wandering about aimlessly until the offices opened.
Like the old saying how you can vote and change the people at the top, vote Tory and fire all the people at the bottom but the mindless mandarins are forever.

Plus all those who hate big govt and think voting will raise their pay grade, buy them a house, grow more veggies or change the world price of oil.

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On 5/15/2024 at 5:39 AM, Perspektiv said:

Trump grabs women by the p***y. Trudeau allegedly likes them younger than legal age, when teaching them. By comparison, Trump is a stand up guy if those allegations are true. Trudeau likely simply has better bite to his non disclosure agreements.

I think Trudeau takes the cake on that one. Black face, wearing ethnic outfits, and acting like he was part of the ethnicity. His wife publicly divorcing him, and even together being vomit inducing. Melania Trump has been nothing but class. Can't say the same for her husband.

Trudeau thinks the budget balances itself. You burn a sinking ship bad enough, it just disappears, no?

Maybe read the whole quote.  By investing in Canada, the budget will balance itself.

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On 5/16/2024 at 6:19 AM, Perspektiv said:

Trump is a reflection of the anger of Americans. People who have had their voice waived off. People who have been dismissed. 

Kind of a Canadian living downtown in a major city, having to potentially content with syringes in a public park where their kids play. Junkies everywhere. Being dismissed as alt right for demanding accountability. Well, you give more weight to Trumps message by refusing to listen to all of your constituents. 

You don't get a hundred thousand plus crowd in New Jersey no less, without that anger growing.

Trump is like seeing a McDonald's logo after hours of driving in a very remote area, and starving.

You know its not good for you, but will do a lot better than the alternative  which was no food.

Democrats need to stop hurting the country, as they just drive that anger to Trump. He has a drive through! 

He probably smells like a Big Mac.

You know you shouldn't. It never satisfies the hunger fully, but gosh damnit. I haven't eaten in 5 hours! 

His movement has so much power, as he taps into the anger that is growing in America.

Many remember calmer waters when he was in charge after months of doom and gloom that they were warner about.

Push people enough, and they will take their chances with Trump.

Trump is a reflection of people who don't understand how their country works.

The Bill of Rights and the U.S constitution protects it's citizens from being prosecuted by government (federal, state, municipal).  Butker has every right to speak his mind, but so does everyone calling him wrong.

I've heard Trump supporters who think that Trump is still President and running things, but than continue to blame Biden for the terrible economy.  Which is it?  

How does a billionaire know what the average Joe goes through?  I doubt he cares that some of his supporters are on food stamps.

The man cheated on all three wives, that sure says "Family Values."

You have people who still blame Obama for not being in the Oval office during 9-11.  News flash, he wasn't president yet.

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2 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Maybe read the whole quote.  By investing in Canada, the budget will balance itself.

LOL yeah, and how'd that work out? He borrowed more money than all previous PM's COMBINED and there's no end in sight :) 

It's the same stupid either way. Budgets do not balance themselves whether you invest in canada or not as he has now discovered. 

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6 hours ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Maybe read the whole quote. 

“If you’re using your credit card to go back to school, or if you go into debt to build an expansion on your house, then you’re going to be able to sell your house for more,” 

“If you’re making investments that are going to return, that is how you grow a strong economy because quite frankly, confident economies invest in themselves.”

Better?

I think its hilarious, because he spares no opportunity to roast Poilievre for suggesting people invest in Bitcoin.

Same guy suggests you build an extension on your home with a credit card to sell it for more.

That is precisely the issue. I sell my home for a million after buying it for 456K, where am I going to live after? A shack?

This only works for someone like a retired empty nester.

A family with kids, this is horrible advice.

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