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Vancouver King, you mentioned the poll and a plus minus. You did see the same story I did. Much of the sample questions showed a response of 62 participants. This is a focus group not a poll. Stick to the facts, this was not a popular move and amateur spin is unbecoming. A point of notice Mustel is an NDP poling firm.

MUSTEL is absolutely NOT an NDP pollster. Their links to the BC Liberals run deep, and well documented.

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I have heard that same general type of insult used in the past. (I think it was Blue-drinkers when I heard it.)

wtf? People are getting snotty over the type of beer they drink?

Generally comes from silver spoon socialists who never *really* had to work hard and wonder why everybody's parent's don't *help* them with their down payments on their *first* homes.

Come to think of it these people usually support the NDP ... coincedence?

the general less-than-intelligent people (some call them the Molson drinkers, but I resent that)

Agreed shoop. Or more likely support the Liberals though, they wouldn't like death taxes supported by the NDP so when mommy and daddy move on they have nothing. I find those with money are more likely to think they know how they should spend everyone else's. Hell why not more taxes, it's not like its a big deal to them anyways.

These are my favourite people, little do they know that the rest of us that actually work have absolutely no respect for them. Oh the silver spoon socialists, how I hate you. :lol:

Yuuuuuck. I suppose you drink Budweiser too (being the pro-American that you are ) ??? BELCH.

Try Granville Island Brew..... a great BC beer.

Granville is another great beer, one of my favourites. You'll find that in the fridge at my house too! Still has nothing on my Big Rock though.

I had a great German beer tonight, well I don't know about the actual 'quality' in the eyes of these lefties that only drink gold buillion, but its called "Warsteiner" (typically German). Add this to my recommended list as well.

Bud's not that bad. I wouldn't pick it in my top 10, but I'd drink it if you gave me one.

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Apparently the Vancouver Board of Trade endorsement of Emerson's move is, to put it mildly, at odds with the voters in the riding.

Probably because he (Harper) did it for the good of the country and Vancouver, which the board of trade would appreciate, plus the media isn't reporting on why its good for the country. I'm unhappy that they (Harper) did it, but now its done it should be explained better. Mind you, I do know that a lot of what the CPC does put out or say isn't alwahys reported by the media, they usually only choose to report negative stuff.

It also seems there is a lot of inconsistency here, no one seemed to be too upset when Scott Brison and Belinda S. crossed the floor (and others) for a cabinet position, self serving moves at best.

There was no outrage, no protests, (except for conservatives) no call for Belinda to resign and stand in a byelection - and Harper never suggested that she should -- and neither did Jack Layton. And NO ONE wrote to Bernard Shapiro.

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Apparently the Vancouver Board of Trade endorsement of Emerson's move is, to put it mildly, at odds with the voters in the riding.

Probably because he (Harper) did it for the good of the country and Vancouver, which the board of trade would appreciate, plus the media isn't reporting on why its good for the country. I'm unhappy that they (Harper) did it, but now its done it should be explained better. Mind you, I do know that a lot of what the CPC does put out or say isn't alwahys reported by the media, they usually only choose to report negative stuff.

It also seems there is a lot of inconsistency here, no one seemed to be too upset when Scott Brison and Belinda S. crossed the floor (and others) for a cabinet position, self serving moves at best.

There was no outrage, no protests, (except for conservatives) no call for Belinda to resign and stand in a byelection - and Harper never suggested that she should -- and neither did Jack Layton. And NO ONE wrote to Bernard Shapiro.

Well the big difference with Belinda was that her riding was historically liberal. The CPC's only won the riding because the voters wanted HER. When she crossed the floor the voters were not upset about it as they were traditionally liberal. Vancouver Kingsway was not CPC riding. In fact, the riding right beside it to the east is traditionally NDP.

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Concerned, this is a lesson for voters. If you vote for individuals based on party affiliation, you are going to be disappointed. Emmerson's view have always been blue. They voted for those views. If you say they voted for Martin and his leadership. He stepped down. We don't know who the Liberal party will become. For Emmerson his view will fit right into caucus with the Conservatives and like it or not voters vote for people and not parties.

If voters don't do the homework, they should not complain.

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Concerned, this is a lesson for voters. If you vote for individuals based on party affiliation, you are going to be disappointed. Emmerson's view have always been blue. They voted for those views. If you say they voted for Martin and his leadership. He stepped down. We don't know who the Liberal party will become. For Emmerson his view will fit right into caucus with the Conservatives and like it or not voters vote for people and not parties.

If voters don't do the homework, they should not complain.

Canadians doing homework and actually being interested in who they are electing... are you kidding me?

:lol:

I bet 95% of Canadians don't even know the name of their MP, their ignorance of the facts both amazes me, and limits my sympathy to zero when they bitch about the facts afterwards.

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Well the big difference with Belinda was that her riding was historically liberal. The CPC's only won the riding because the voters wanted HER. When she crossed the floor the voters were not upset about it as they were traditionally liberal. Vancouver Kingsway was not CPC riding. In fact, the riding right beside it to the east is traditionally NDP.

Exactly. The last time voters in Kingsway elected a party with the word "conservative" in it was the Diefenbaker sweep of 1958. Like many other downtown, urban Canadian ridings the vast majority - 80% - of voters are fundamentally left of centre to one degree or another. This is not the case in Stronach's riding.

This move has less to do with CPC reaching out to cities than satisfying Emerson's lust for power - he could not accept the fact that his party's loss meant no more deal making. The move was all about David Emerson, his career and his inability to accept defeat. His decision was made without regard for the politics of his riding.

It's the rough equivalent of Calgary Centre voters waking up to find their member of parliament had walked across the floor to sit with the NDP.

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Concerned, this is a lesson for voters.

I agree, I'm concerned this is a lesson for voters too and it's bad one. Voter turn out is low enough as it is and there's already a preception out there that politicians are lyin', cheatin', no good doin' crooks that are only in it for themselves. This only adds fuel to that fire.

When a candidate runs for election they ask for the support of the people by presenting their platform. In Canadian politics, (I feel it's safe to say) the party plays a big role in that platform because of the strong party lines in Ottawa. The point is that he hasn't been honest . He sang one song to his constituents during the campaign then two weeks later completely changed his tune.

It's no different that Belinda or Bryson. The timing just makes it more blatant. Arguments that their defections where based on the 'right wing agenda' are bunk. You can't make deals in opposition.

The Liberals won the election but the Conservatives get the seat? This goes beyond partisan politics; it's just plain bad for democracy.

What standard should we hold our politicians too?

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Concerned, this is a lesson for voters.

I agree, I'm concerned this is a lesson for voters too and it's bad one. Voter turn out is low enough as it is and there's already a preception out there that politicians are lyin', cheatin', no good doin' crooks that are only in it for themselves. This only adds fuel to that fire.

When a candidate runs for election they ask for the support of the people by presenting their platform. In Canadian politics, (I feel it's safe to say) the party plays a big role in that platform because of the strong party lines in Ottawa. The point is that he hasn't been honest . He sang one song to his constituents during the campaign then two weeks later completely changed his tune.

It's no different that Belinda or Bryson. The timing just makes it more blatant. Arguments that their defections where based on the 'right wing agenda' are bunk. You can't make deals in opposition.

The Liberals won the election but the Conservatives get the seat? This goes beyond partisan politics; it's just plain bad for democracy.

What standard should we hold our politicians too?

Let's just say both parties have been victimized by the jumpers and those who solicited the jump. This is the one area where all Canadians--regardless of party affiliations--need to demand reform on.

There needs to be an avenue for an MP to leave a party in the case of a conflict of interest or in protest. However there needs to be clear cut rules in such a situation.

1. If an MP is so dissatisfied with his current party he would be free to leave, but unable to sit with any party until a by-election was held for his seat.

2. During the by-election the MP would have his choice of the remaining parties to sit with and would not be allowed to choose party he just left.

3. The MP that forced the by-election would be barred form holding a cabinet/ministerial position within the government until the next federal election.

4. MPs must sit with the party they were elected under unless they leave their party and choose to sit as an independent.

And this is for starters. Feel free to chirp in with any restrictions you feel I have missed. But the pointof the exercise is to prevent jumping directly from party to party. And an MP decides to make a change they must sit with that party throughout the parliament at hand and would not be allowed a cabinet position until the next federal election. I think this eliminates the movement, and the bait.

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I had a great German beer tonight, well I don't know about the actual 'quality' in the eyes of these lefties that only drink gold buillion, but its called "Warsteiner" (typically German). Add this to my recommended list as well.

We lefties are all white wine drinking socialists - I don't know where this gold buillion idea is coming from. :lol:

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This is just sour grapes coming from both the BC Liberal caucus and the NDP. The reality is that the Liberal Party didn't offer to pay the Conservative riding association for the cost's associated with getting the prostitute Belinda elected to office as a Conservative. Some may be offended by the use of the trrm prostitute, but that is exactly what she did, she sold herself for a Cabinet post and the vague promise of power, which is the only reason she is even involved in politics. Now she is sitting in the Opposition benches with far less influence than she had, and we'll see how long she stays put if her bid to become leader of the Liberal Party fails. She tried to buy the leadership of the Conservative Party with Daddy's money and failed, so I suspect it will again be Daddy's money that attempts to get the spoiled brat the Liberal leadership. If that too fails, maybe she'll try to get Jack Layton's job next, because certainly she won't be welcome back in the Conservative fold. Her and Martin have one glaring thing in common they both gained success on the coat-tails of their father's.

Had it not been for Belinda Stronach, Layton and the NDP propping up the Liberal government under Paul Martin, they would have failed much sooner. The truth be known at least the people of Emmerson's riding at least have a Cabinet Minister on the government side of the House. My riding in New Brunswick has sent back to Ottawa, a Liberal Member of Parliament. He couldn't get anything done for this riding as a Liberal, and now he has absolutely no influence in Ottawa.

Canada needed a change, and thankfully that change came it is wasn't the NDP. We think we are over-taxed now, God help us if we ever elect an NDP government to power, because the taxes will go through the roof.

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I had a great German beer tonight, well I don't know about the actual 'quality' in the eyes of these lefties that only drink gold buillion, but its called "Warsteiner" (typically German). Add this to my recommended list as well.

We lefties are all white wine drinking socialists - I don't know where this gold buillion idea is coming from. :lol:

Well I don't know about this white wine. The Soviets were the ultimate socialists, and they stuck to the Vodka.

You white wine socialists are just wannabe Soviets, upgrade to vodka and then I'll take ya seriously. :blink::lol:

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I had a great German beer tonight, well I don't know about the actual 'quality' in the eyes of these lefties that only drink gold buillion, but its called "Warsteiner" (typically German). Add this to my recommended list as well.

We lefties are all white wine drinking socialists - I don't know where this gold buillion idea is coming from. :lol:

Well I don't know about this white wine. The Soviets were the ultimate socialists, and they stuck to the Vodka.

You white wine socialists are just wannabe Soviets, upgrade to vodka and then I'll take ya seriously. :blink::lol:

And I am just a conservative looking to buy white wine and vodka in a province with socialist high-priced liquor stores... :rolleyes:

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The NDP want a probe because with no strong Liberal candidate they figure Wadell will be a shoo in. Principals have nothing to do with it. If their boy wasn't now the favorite, they wouldn't be anywhere near as "principled". Emerson got elected because he was Emerson, not because he was a Liberal. It is questionable that he could have been elected as a Conservative however. While a minority did vote Conservative in Kingsway, a majority did not vote either Liberal or NDP. A Liberal just got more votes than any of the other candidates.

Emerson and Belinda both crossed for the job. Harper asked Emerson because he wanted him in his Cabinet first and his vote second. Martin asked Belinda because he wanted her vote, period.

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