Polls show youth now hate Trudeau more than ever

[CdnFox]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-polls-show-youth-now-hate-trudeau-more-than-ever

In a poll published Thursday, Canadians under the age of 24 were asked if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was “working in the best interests of their generation.” Seventy-one per cent responded “no.”

To be fair to Trudeau, huge majorities of every generation didn’t see him as working in their best interest — but the dissatisfaction was heaviest among voters who came of age after the Liberals’ 2015 election win.

Seniors, by contrast, remained the most supportive of Trudeau. Among respondents aged 65 and older, a massive 69 per cent disagreed with Trudeau government policy, but 28 per cent still saw the Liberals representing their “best interests.”

The comparable figure among under-24s was just 15 per cent — the lowest of any other age cohort.

[CdnFox]

JEEEzuz!

This guy is single handedly creating an entire generation of conservatives. I don't think that the kids here are going to be warm to the liberals for decades, no matter who they put in.

I don't think i've ever heard of a pm at any point in their career ever being this poorly thought of.  This isn't just "well we've had him for a while something new would be nice",  he's genuinely detested by all age groups.

So - what's it going to be like for the liberals over the next year? If polievre switches from going after trudeau to going after the liberals in general and turning the kids against them and their ways PP could wind up being the first full 3 term prime minister we've seen in forever.

[Nefarious Banana]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 If Poilievre switches from going after Trudeau to going after the Liberals in general and turning the kids against them and their ways PP could wind up being the first full 3 term Prime Minister we've seen in forever.

It may take 3 terms for any PM to stitch this broken country back together.  Division, mistrust, lies and theft is the legacy of Trudeau and his band of monkeys . . .

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

It may take 3 terms for any PM to stitch this broken country back together.  Division, mistrust, lies and theft is the legacy of Trudeau and his band of monkeys . . .

Oh i doubt that process would be finished in 3 terms. The international banks are expecting Canada to seriously under perform for 40 years, and that was before some of his latest moves.

He can probably make good progress but while he's probably going to make things a lot better he probably won't be able to make them good that quick.

[Moonbox]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I don't think i've ever heard of a pm at any point in their career ever being this poorly thought of.  This isn't just "well we've had him for a while something new would be nice",  he's genuinely detested by all age groups.

IIRC, I already linked this article to you in the other discussion when you were lamenting how biased the media on the "left" is.  This is the sort of "journalism" you prefer and find worthy of reposting?  

It's talking about a poll showing Trudeau is (deservedly) unpopular among younger Canadians and they don't believe in his policy, but characterized as them hating and despising him.  Toronto Star, meet your parallel.  😑

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

IIRC, I already linked this article to you in the other discussion when you were lamenting how biased the media on the "left" is.  This is the sort of "journalism" you prefer and find worthy of reposting?  

It's talking about a poll showing Trudeau is (deservedly) unpopular among younger Canadians and they don't believe in his policy, but characterized as them hating and despising him.  Toronto Star, meet your parallel.  😑

 

The 'journalisming' wasn't really the point of the post, it was more the poll (which i made sure the link was in the very first part of what i posted).  The article is a decent summary so i posted that instead of the actual poll itself (where i'd have had to write my own commentary to summarize).

Don't get me wrong, I didn't post this to "laugh" at trudeau being 'Hated" or the like -  for me this whole thing is extremely interesting from a social and political sciences  point of view.   Whether you say 'hated' or distrusted or whatever term, the fact  is that we're seeing a level  of 'disapproval' (lets go with that for now) that i don't think we've ever seen, yet he's not stepped down, none of his previously successful tactics are improving his situation at all and in fact he's gone DOWN in the polls since his budget....

The whole thing is extremely interesting, how the people are reacing  how the party itself is reacting, and it'll be interesting to see the long term effect.

This is almost as interesting as the PC party when mulroney left and campbell got in and all of the crazyness surrounding that, leading to the eventual complete implosion and reduction of the party to two seats.  And if there hadn't been the sponsorship scandal and the internal civil war i bet chretien would have won a third term.

[eyeball]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This guy is single handedly creating an entire generation of conservatives.

Yeah you can really see that happening at universities.

11 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

It may take 3 terms for any PM to stitch this broken country back together.  Division, mistrust, lies and theft is the legacy of Trudeau and his band of monkeys . . .

3 terms? Dang, I was expecting the sun to reverse it's course across the sky following PP's election.

How long would it really take? He could declare the need to unleash the economy a national emergency and create a libertarian utopia of low to no taxes, regulations or social spending with a few strokes of a pen.

We all know how powerful Canadian PM's are. And don't get me started on law and order.

Where's the courage, where's the conviction?

Edited May 7 by eyeball

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The 'journalisming' wasn't really the point of the post, it was more the poll (which i made sure the link was in the very first part of what i posted). 

The poll is interesting/informative.  What used to be the Liberal's strength has now become its biggest weakness, and a near-decade of cynically neglecting the younger demographics to pander and protect baby boomer's retirement nest eggs has left it in a hole it can't dig itself out of.  

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The article is a decent summary so i posted that instead of the actual poll itself (where i'd have had to write my own commentary to summarize).

This is the point of my response.  The National Post's "decent summary" was just a review of Angus Reid's professional analysis, but flavored with its own emotionally charged partisan garbage.  We were talking about media bias earlier - here you have it in plain sight.  I've long considered the Toronto Star and the National Post opposite sides of the same coin - partisan rags both.  

 

Edited May 7 by Moonbox

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yeah you can really see that happening at universities.

Yeah.  They're all voting conservative by the time they're 18

https://abacusdata.ca/post-budget-canadian-politics-2024/

 

Wait - you didn't think the people at those protests were STUDENTS did you? Sorry - the vast majority are not.

And those protests seem to be turning even more kids to the right.

Swing and a miss little guy

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

The poll is interesting/informative.  What used to be the Liberal's strength has now become its biggest weakness, and a near-decade of cynically neglecting the younger demographics to pander and protect baby boomer's retirement nest eggs has left it in a hole it can't dig itself out of.  

Agreed.  I wonder if the youth vote will be to them what the western canada vote was to the pc?

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This is the point of my response.  The National Post's "decent summary" was just a review of Angus Reid's professional analysis, but flavored with its own emotionally charged partisan garbage.  We were talking about media bias earlier - here you have it in plain sight.  I've long considered the Toronto Star and the National Post opposite sides of the same coin - partisan rags both.  

Yeah, that's not really unfair.  The national post leans right, the star leans left. 

Worth mentioning btw that i've posted a fair number of articles from the Star too   Just sayin'

Edited May 7 by CdnFox

[Moonbox]

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Agreed.  I wonder if the youth vote will be to them what the western canada vote was to the pc?

Fracture it into pieces?  I don't think so.  The youth vote grows up.  An election or two from now, they will no longer be youth, and will all have different priorities.  The Reform Party base is the opposite.  

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah, that's not really unfair.  The national post leans right, the star leans left. 

Worth mentioning btw that i've posted a fair number of articles from the Star too   Just sayin'

I just think they both suck, and for the same reason but from different angles.  

[exPS]

I am at the other end of the age scale and retired. I never voted for the goof; not in 2015, 2019 and 2021.

Lets face it. If his last name weren't Trudeau, do you think someone that incapable would be PM? He'd be a useless drama school teacher and a nobody at that.

But he is popular in certain areas. Ottawa for sure since 7 of the 8 electoral seats are held by Liberals and for a good reason as Public Servants are afraid of losing their jobs.

If the wing fell off on his aircraft, I'd be cruising in my car honking my horn.

[WestCanMan]

On 5/6/2024 at 5:26 PM, CdnFox said:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-polls-show-youth-now-hate-trudeau-more-than-ever

In a poll published Thursday, Canadians under the age of 24 were asked if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was “working in the best interests of their generation.” Seventy-one per cent responded “no.”

This is kind of shocking, considering how leftists always target kids, and how they feel like if they can lower the voting age they will get the majority of those young votes.

It's also kind of sad, because youths should be idealists, and slightly more susceptible to the "conservative man bad" propaganda of the left than the more seasoned voters.

It's also a promising sign, that youths are so much smarter than the cultist losers of our generation. 

Funny that I have so many mixed emotions about that 🤣

I have to let it simmer. 

[paradox34]

As much as I rejoice that every generation has begun to see Turdo for the hypocritical, entitled mental midget he is. I would be much happier if people acknowledged that he is simply a figure head. Its the entire liberal socialist mindset that has to be run out of office.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, paradox34 said:

As much as I rejoice that every generation has begun to see Turdo for the hypocritical, entitled mental midget he is. I would be much happier if people acknowledged that he is simply a figure head. Its the entire liberal socialist mindset that has to be run out of office.

True. You rarely see a left of center gov't that actually leaves things  better than they found them. 

But trudeau is just SO bad he tends to be the center of attention.  I'm sure they'll try to promote the hell out of that when he's gone, as if he took at the taint with him

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

as if he took at the taint with him

That's actually a good descriptor for Trudeau. It's useless, it's nasty, and it's associated with a-holes and crap. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's actually a good descriptor for Trudeau. It's useless, it's nasty, and it's associated with a-holes and crap. 

LOL - well the libs will say that's  the only taint tainting the party - but it t'aint. 

And that will become PP's new challenge, making sure the entire liberal party wears justin's smell.  And the ndp, although if the recent polls are accurate it looks like that may have stuck already. 

Edited May 16 by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - well the libs will say that's  the only taint tainting the party - but it t'aint. 

And that will become PP's new challenge, making sure the entire liberal party wears justin's smell.  And the ndp, although if the recent polls are accurate it looks like that may have stuck already. 

• "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

At best, the current members LPOC can say that they had their thumbs up their asses for the past 9 years. The stench is all over them like ugly on an ape.

The NDP are worse. They're supposed to be the opposition, but they sided with "Trudeau and their pensions". The NDP is done now. Anyone dumb enough to support them needs to be ridiculed off the face of the earth.

The only way for the LPOC to regain credibility is under the leadership of someone like JWR, who utterly rejected Trudeau's BS and stood up to him, even at great cost to herself. 

It's not the libbie way though. People like JWR don't resonate with gutless liberal pukes. 

Edited May 16 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

• "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

At best, the current members LPOC can say that they had their thumbs up their asses for the past 9 years. The stench is all over them like ugly on an ape.

The NDP are worse. They're supposed to be the opposition, but they sided with "Trudeau and their pensions". The NDP is done now. Anyone dumb enough to support them needs to be ridiculed off the face of the earth.

The only way for the LPOC to regain credibility is under the leadership of someone like JWR, who utterly rejected Trudeau's BS and stood up to him, even at great cost to herself. 

It's not the libbie way though. People like JWR don't resonate with gutless liberal pukes. 

All very true. I would agree that the NDP is the big disappointment, everyone expects a liberal to be corrupt and pass bad policy. That's what they always do. But the NDP has always been a little bit above that heck, they don't even want to win elections they historically prefer to be respected and to be the voice of conscience for parliament.

Now they're just liberal lap dogs and Justin's house boys making cheesy statements about how they'll fight anyone anywhere anytime or anything while wearing their Rolexes and waiting for their gold star permanent pensions to kick in.

The moral compass of parliament broke. Now it's worth nothing

[Zeitgeist]

On 5/7/2024 at 11:44 AM, CdnFox said:

The 'journalisming' wasn't really the point of the post, it was more the poll (which i made sure the link was in the very first part of what i posted).  The article is a decent summary so i posted that instead of the actual poll itself (where i'd have had to write my own commentary to summarize).

Don't get me wrong, I didn't post this to "laugh" at trudeau being 'Hated" or the like -  for me this whole thing is extremely interesting from a social and political sciences  point of view.   Whether you say 'hated' or distrusted or whatever term, the fact  is that we're seeing a level  of 'disapproval' (lets go with that for now) that i don't think we've ever seen, yet he's not stepped down, none of his previously successful tactics are improving his situation at all and in fact he's gone DOWN in the polls since his budget....

The whole thing is extremely interesting, how the people are reacing  how the party itself is reacting, and it'll be interesting to see the long term effect.

This is almost as interesting as the PC party when mulroney left and campbell got in and all of the crazyness surrounding that, leading to the eventual complete implosion and reduction of the party to two seats.  And if there hadn't been the sponsorship scandal and the internal civil war i bet chretien would have won a third term.

The Liberals had such a great team with Chrétien as PM and Martin as finance minister.  You’re right, they fell apart because of internal division.

The problem for Poilievre will be reducing the size of government and eliminating programs without losing the electorate.  If he tempers it with tax cuts and deregulation, then people will back him as they see their pay and opportunities rise, especially if the economy booms.  I suggest that he rips off the bandaid early when he has a strong mandate to govern.  He can rightfully blame all problems on the Liberals for 3 budgets and restructure the economy.  If he just returns Canada to 2014 with tax credits for healthy activities for families, eliminates carbon taxes, and supports the resource sector, we could see positive momentum by the middle of the Conservatives’ first term.  Stick to the plan, restore national strength and pride, make people freer and wealthier, keep it simple.  If people start feeling like life is getting better and the country is on its A-game, the world will take notice and doors will open.  We need a good decade of that to bring back what we had.

Edited May 18 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Liberals had such a great team with Chrétien as PM and Martin as finance minister.  You’re right, they fell apart because of internal division.

The problem for Poilievre will be reducing the size of government and eliminating programs without losing the electorate.  If he tempers it with tax cuts and deregulation, then people will back him as they see their pay and opportunities rise, especially if the economy booms.  I suggest that he rips off the bandaid early when he has a strong mandate to govern.  He can rightfully blame all problems on the Liberals for 3 budgets and restructure the economy.  If he just returns Canada to 2014 with tax credits for healthy activities for families, eliminates carbon taxes, and supports the resource sector, we could see positive momentum by the middle of the Conservatives’ first term.  Stick to the plan, restore national strength and pride, make people freer and wealthier, keep it simple.  If people start feeling like life is getting better and the country is on its A-game, the world will take notice and doors will open.  We need a good decade of that to bring back what we had.

All true.  He has some advantages he can exploit tho. 

Much of our immediate problem is due to unsustainably high immigration. This is what is fueling the shortage of housing which drives up rent and home costs, it puts huge pressure on our food supply which has also seen huge increases, and it has become unpopular with the people and amusingly the number one group disapproving of it is immigrants.

So right off the bat he's got an easy win by reducing immigration to more sustainable levels which will buy him about 3 years to make other more substantial changes. Associated with that but they are manageable.

The problem of reducing government is indeed a challenge. Sure, you can defund the CBC but at the end of the day that's only a billion or two. He will have to cautiously cut back on other programs. However I expect that the number one way he will address it is through attrition and growth.

There would be nothing wrong with our civil service size if we had more people to service.  And there are people leaving the civil service every year as they retire or seek other work. So he will likely adopt a policy of cutting where he can without drawing blood so to speak and then waiting as the population grows at a more moderate pace for the civil service to match the new population and just have a hiring freeze.

I suspect he is going to the unions and saying either I hack and slash now or you get on board with hiring freezes and we can afford to pay the remaining people more money over time if we do some automation.