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10 minutes ago, godzilla said:

Viktor Oban confirms that Trump will follow Putins orders.

Orbán says Trump won’t give ‘a penny’ to Ukraine after Mar-a-Lago meeting

Oban doesn't even hint at a negotiated settlement. Putin wants to whole country and a complete victory.

Abandoning Ukraine is the right thing to do. Those a$$holes have spent enough of our money. 

Thank you, Mr. Returning President! 

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They quoted one line.  You're claiming that somehow you heard the entire interview and that this bias source has printed it in it's entirety. He said he won't give him a penny (no context) and that he wants an end to the war and his ideas for ending it align with hungary's.

But magically that's "trump will turn over ukraine to putin day one".

Trump has been fairly clear.  He believes right or wrong he can go to Russia and say "hey- here's the land you're going to get to keep out of what you hold now, if you complain we will REALLY get involved' and then go to ukraine and say "hey - here's what you're going to give up, and if you don't agree we're all going to stop giving you a single bullet and russia will take over your whole country in a month.

The war will end, russia will get a little territory, ukraine will lose a bit but will likely be allowed to join nato or at least will get armed to the teeth by nato so that russia never tries again and the killing will stop and american industry will make a boatload of money fixing ukraine up and providing new infrastructure and tech

That would be trump's plan. Not complex.  Nothing nefarious

Now - some will say that only complete russian withdrawal is acceptable and that's fine if that's what you think. A perfectly valid opinion. 

But - lets not pretend that finding an end to the war that makes both sides equally unhappy and ends the killing is a bad thing either or that trump is 'following his russian masters'.

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18 minutes ago, myata said:

And when you're up against Russia, China and Iran on your doorstep, who will stand with you? It'll stick, you know.

We won't stand with Ukraine because it's a f*cked up mess and a drain on our resources. 

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The bandit gets what they wanted, and goes free, with impunity. "Nothing nefarious". The cult will destroy you entirely, until nothing: not a grain of dignity; principles; honor and reason is left. It will consume you whole and there will be no complains or explanations this time because they chose it.

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50 minutes ago, godzilla said:

Viktor Oban confirms that Trump will follow Putins orders.

Orbán says Trump won’t give ‘a penny’ to Ukraine after Mar-a-Lago meeting

Oban doesn't even hint at a negotiated settlement. Putin wants to whole country and a complete victory.

Before the neo-Nazi speech laws come into effect, let me just point out that you're vermin feces.

1) Trump isn't "following Putin's orders" that's just you talking out of your ass.

2) No one said that Trump plans to surrender Ukraine to Russia. 

From your id10tic article: "Biden slammed Trump for meeting with Orbán, who he criticized as a leader “looking for dictatorship."”

It needs to be noted that Biden and the Dems were caught using the FBI to persecute a political rival, they tried to add 4 partisan judges to the SC, they were caught cheating on the 2016 election multiple times, and they have complete control of the MSM in the US. 

If Biden's not approaching "dictator" status, no one is. 

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Abandon Ukraine. Rant about how he alone kept the USA our of war/
Pull the US our of NATO on the grounds othere aren't paying their dues.
Brag at rallies how that move once again kept the USA out of foreign wars when Russia invades the Baltics and Poland.
Sells weapons to both sides and brag how great he's done with the economy.

All the things to look forward to under Truamp

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3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Abandon Ukraine. Rant about how he alone kept the USA our of war/
Pull the US our of NATO on the grounds othere aren't paying their dues.
Brag at rallies how that move once again kept the USA out of foreign wars when Russia invades the Baltics and Poland.
Sells weapons to both sides and brag how great he's done with the economy.

All the things to look forward to under Truamp

And yet, knowing that, the public still seems to think he looks better than your guy :)  

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56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They quoted one line.  You're claiming that somehow you heard the entire interview and that this bias source has printed it in it's entirety. He said he won't give him a penny (no context) and that he wants an end to the war and his ideas for ending it align with hungary's.

But magically that's "trump will turn over ukraine to putin day one".

Trump has been fairly clear.  He believes right or wrong he can go to Russia and say "hey- here's the land you're going to get to keep out of what you hold now, if you complain we will REALLY get involved' and then go to ukraine and say "hey - here's what you're going to give up, and if you don't agree we're all going to stop giving you a single bullet and russia will take over your whole country in a month.

The war will end, russia will get a little territory, ukraine will lose a bit but will likely be allowed to join nato or at least will get armed to the teeth by nato so that russia never tries again and the killing will stop and american industry will make a boatload of money fixing ukraine up and providing new infrastructure and tech

That would be trump's plan. Not complex.  Nothing nefarious

Now - some will say that only complete russian withdrawal is acceptable and that's fine if that's what you think. A perfectly valid opinion. 

But - lets not pretend that finding an end to the war that makes both sides equally unhappy and ends the killing is a bad thing either or that trump is 'following his russian masters'.

you're right... i should have added the following that gives more insight.

Donald Trump won’t give ‘a penny’ to Ukraine if elected, Orbán says

“If the Americans don’t give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, the war is over,” he said. “And if the Americans don’t give money, the Europeans alone can’t finance this war. And then the war is over.”

so, indeed, the Americans can end the war by simply letting Putin win. there is nothing mentioned about a peace agreement.

if this interpretation is not correct then Trump will come out and say so shortly.

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1 hour ago, godzilla said:

you're right... i should have added the following that gives more insight.

Donald Trump won’t give ‘a penny’ to Ukraine if elected, Orbán says

“If the Americans don’t give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, the war is over,” he said. “And if the Americans don’t give money, the Europeans alone can’t finance this war. And then the war is over.”

You should have added it in context - no where in there does it say anything about letting putin win.  It would be like me cutting and pasting you saying "you're right' and nothing else and claiming that you agreed with me 100 percent.   Did i mis quote you ? No - was my conclusion accurate? Probably not.

As it is he's quite right. And i've explained trump's context with regards to that.

He'll threaten russia to take some of what they've got and shut up and he'll threaten ukraine to cut off aid and they'll lose the whole country so accept it.

Both sides will be unhappy  but both sides will have to agree.

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so, indeed, the Americans can end the war by simply letting Putin win. there is nothing mentioned about a peace agreement.

No mention of letting putin win. That didn't hold you back did it.

 

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if this interpretation is not correct then Trump will come out and say so shortly.

Trump has said so previously. Hes' very clear that he would talk to the two of them and there would be a negotiated peace 'in 24 hours".   I'm sure the timeline's slightly hypebolic but he didn't say anything about letting the war continue. He says the war ends - not that putin goes on fighting and wins.

This is why trump is going to win the election. People like you say things which take 5 seconds to show are not accurate and are simply tribal talking points, and they don't believe ANYTHING said about trump.

There's so many real things you could critisize him for - why do you feel the need to make up fantasy bullcrap and fake stories? Isnt the truth enough for you people?

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

2) No one said that Trump plans to surrender Ukraine to Russia. 

When Trump says he will end the war in 24 hours, the ONLY way he can do that is surrendering Ukraine to Russia by cutting off all military aid from NATO countries. Duh

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2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

There's only one cult in this country, and it's the democrat party. 

^Obvious DELUGINAL LIE, as usual. 

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An estimated five to seven million Americans have been involved in cults, or cult-like groups. The total number of these groups range from 3,000 to 5,000, and there are approximately 180,000 new cult recruits every year in the US alone (Cult Hotline & Clinic, accessed 04/11/06).

 

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3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^Obvious DELUGINAL LIE, as usual. 

 
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: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (see SPURIOUS sense 2)
also : its body of adherents
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Just now, Deluge said:
 
often attributive
1
: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (see SPURIOUS sense 2)
also : its body of adherents
the voodoo cult
 
a satanic cult

Which group opens its mind to ANYTHING but Christianity? 

CORRECT! The democrat party! 

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40 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^Another OBVIOUS DELUGINAL LIE. Thanks for confirming you LIE ALL THE TIME.

Democrats and Democratic leaners who are Christian

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We're not talking about the pot smoking homosexual Jesus of the democrat party. We're talking about the actual Jesus who condemns sinners for chasing after "strange flesh" - the biblical Jesus. 

There's only one cult in this country, and it's the democrat party. 

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8 minutes ago, Deluge said:

We're not talking about the pot smoking homosexual Jesus of the democrat party. We're talking about the actual Jesus who condemns sinners for chasing after "strange flesh" - the biblical Jesus. 

There's only one cult in this country, and it's the democrat party. 

is Stormy Daniels and example of "strange flesh"?

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Anyone with a grain of intelligence left (brain dead don't need to be disturbed): can ask a simple question: why, who tells a brutal, violent criminal upfront that they can get away with what they wanted, and with complete impunity? In the normal world, it has zero sense, from any perspective, moral, ethical, rational.

Because this is nothing like normal. It shows a chasm of moral degradation the cult has descended in a very short, in human not even history time and keeps going down and down, blindly and blissfully. The lying buffoon who is also a patented coward and egomaniac knows very well that he won't do anything to Putin; and Vlad knows that too, whether he has a screw in the buffoon or the admiration is pure and genuine (one way too; Vlad and his KGB buddies mock and despise Western useful !diots). His only chance to show some "achievement" satisfying his limitless ego is to press and coerce the victim. And so he's telling to Vlad, open text.

There's nothing more to add here. However it ends, the Republicans can have no claims, no squeaking excuses that they didn't know what he is, and what he would do. The responsibility, shame and stink are as solid and square here as were and will ever be; and they will last for the perpetuity, as long as the memory and history persists.

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12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Before the neo-Nazi speech laws come into effect, let me just point out that you're vermin feces.

1) Trump isn't "following Putin's orders" that's just you talking out of your ass.

2) No one said that Trump plans to surrender Ukraine to Russia. 

From your id10tic article: "Biden slammed Trump for meeting with Orbán, who he criticized as a leader “looking for dictatorship."”

It needs to be noted that Biden and the Dems were caught using the FBI to persecute a political rival, they tried to add 4 partisan judges to the SC, they were caught cheating on the 2016 election multiple times, and they have complete control of the MSM in the US. 

If Biden's not approaching "dictator" status, no one is. 

^^This is the dumbest pile of fever swamp nonsense compiled in some time.

Literally none of it is even close to true. Go back on your meds.

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