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2 hours ago, ironstone said:

People like you want to just seize the wealth of the billionaires and...redistribute as you see fit?

Just tax the wealth, not seize it. Not for redistribution but to simply pay societies bills. After all that is the point of taxation as I understand it.

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

But it wouldn't just end there would it?

Personally I wouldn't get to worried about it though. It'll never happen and in fact I think most of the human race will be dead or dying within the next 20 year's so, who knows what sort of opportunities that will bring.

Less CO2 emissions so 👍

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5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Just tax the wealth, not seize it. Not for redistribution but to simply pay societies bills. After all that is the point of taxation as I understand it.

No, you're talking about seizing it.  Tax is what happens when wealth is earned or economic activity happens.  I earn a dollar the gov't says for every dollar earned you pay us 10 cents of it in 'tax'.  We also have 'fees' = whcih is where the gov't charges money to deliver some services or goods.

What you're talking about is just the gov't seizing assets at will.  The person has earned the money, the person has paid tax on the money the person wishes to GIVE the money to someone else. It's theirs to dispose of after all.

And you want to say "no no - we want to take away something you've earned without after you've already paid tax on it and keep that to spend as we see fit".

It's just seizing people's assets.   But hey - that's what communism is all about isn't it - taking the burden of owning things away from the people :)

 
Problem is it doesn't work.  People just use other means to transfer the wealth before they die.  We are already seeing this - in Canada you must by law leave equal shares of your estate to your children when you die assuming you don't have a spouse.  Even if one kid's a drug addict and will probably kill themselves with it. 

So people have learned how to prevent that by disposing of their assets in a clever way before they die and it's becoming more and more of  a thing. Now - most people still don't care, their kids are normal and there's no reason for them to do so. BUT - with this everyone would care and you would very quickly see work arounds.

And if necessary people would move their wealth elsewhere.  Which we're also already seeing

Sorry kid - your idea of grand theft to pay for your socialist dreams is just not going to work.

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kid - your idea of grand theft to pay for your socialist dreams is just not going to work.

Okay. A global collapse and interregnum  works for me.

It would be nice if we could at least pick up the pace a little so we can get on with it. The sooner the collapse the better so CO2 emissions stop increasing ASAP. Give the future a better chance to recover.

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22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Okay. A global collapse and interregnum  works for me.

 

Probably also not going to happen :)  Sorry :)

We might see another global recession as we did in 09. Could even in theory see a depression one day but  that's getting less likely.  And the more the world gov'ts move to the right the less likely either of those two things are, and there's a very definite movement in that direction and people realize "vote woke go broke".

That's the biggest problem with basing your ideology on complete fiction and fantasy as the left does - your dreams can never actually come true.

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On 3/10/2024 at 12:41 PM, eyeball said:

Personally I wouldn't get to worried about it though. It'll never happen and in fact I think most of the human race will be dead or dying within the next 20 year's so, who knows what sort of opportunities that will bring.

Less CO2 emissions so 👍

Don't worry, the left has a plan. It's called 'degrowth'.

 

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16 hours ago, godzilla said:

Those who created the monster get eaten!

They never learn because can't: something always gets in the way. This is exactly what most totalitarian dictators do at some point: really, no exception.

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14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nature doesn't follow a plan, it just courses on through and makes it's own way.

Nature absolutely follows a plan. And those that don't fit in the plan die off. Thats why we refer to 'the laws of nature'. 

Go look at the other planets in the universe. Nature is demanding and exact in what she's looking for and if she doesn't get her way everything dies.

Which is why the left's ideas always fail. They don't like what nature has to say and try to play by different rules. And nature doesn't play that game.

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28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nature is demanding and exact in what she's looking for and if she doesn't get her way everything dies.

Which is why the left's ideas always fail. They don't like what nature has to say and try to play by different rules. And nature doesn't play that game.

Nature is an it not a gender. It doesn't have a purpose.

This misperception of reality is why conservatives seem so confused. You can't accept that a thing simply is what it is without reading a bunch of nonsense into it - usually invoking the existence of some sort of agency in the process.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Nature is an it not a gender. It doesn't have a purpose.

What?  FFS put your dentures in before you type, we all know you have to speak the words out as you type and we can't understand you.

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This misperception of reality is why conservatives seem so confused. You can't accept that a thing simply is what it is without reading a bunch of nonsense into it - usually invoking the existence of some sort of agency in the process.

LOL -  well it's awefully early in the morning for you to be this stupid.  Sorry kiddo but nature had laws long before conservatives showed up :)  

The left seems to derive it's entire understanding of the universe from disney movies,  and that's why nothing you try works in the real world.

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29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kiddo but nature had laws long before conservatives showed up

Sure the same laws of physics that apply to everything except you're making it sound like there's a conscious purpose to them.

A plan implies a planner. I bet you'd even argue that our morals were planned for us.

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11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure the same laws of physics that apply to everything except you're making it sound like there's a conscious purpose to them.

 

Ahhh no - no it was you who introduced that idea.  You started off claiming that nature doesn't have a plan it just gets along. I simply said sure it does.

And as usual you're accusing me of what you yourself did.

In any case while there may not be a conscious mind that collection of laws interreacts in a very similar fashion as many scientists have noted over the centuries. That's why we keep seeing terms like 'laws of nature' and 'natural order' and why people consider evolution to be a process etc.

Sigh. Left wingers have no poetry or soul to them.  Which is weird considering the percent that claim to be poets and humanitarians.

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38 minutes ago, godzilla said:

Ken Buck is leaving March 22

Not sure if it's related but an individual of reason and integrity always has the choice. One is not compelled to participate in insanity. If you cannot or won't stand up to it, at least you can leave it, just not participate.

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41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhh no - no it was you who introduced that idea.  You started off claiming that nature doesn't have a plan it just gets along. I simply said sure it does.

Sure kid, that's what happened.

LMAO!

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48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Awww - you're always so cute when you realize you've been caught doing something stupid

It's all good, you've said virtually everyone else around here is cute too so...whatever you say chief.

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56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's all good, you've said virtually everyone else around here is cute too so...whatever you say chief.

That's not true - Myata's ugly as a pug that lost a fight with a meat grinder and i've made no bones about it :)

A few of you are very hilarious and entertaining when you try to recover from your own stupidity. You, moonbox, mike, exflyer although he's not so much cute as just pure entertainment to watch as he comes apart so fast you have to watch out for shrapnel :)

But you're always amusing :)

"Nature doesn't have a plan"  - nature has a plan. "Why are you always trying to humanize nature?!!??!?"  LOLOL!!!!

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On 3/8/2024 at 8:59 AM, myata said:

I'll comment only once here, this is quite characteristic of the rising loudmouth populism headed by none else but a pathologically lying buffoon. We are free of any responsibility for anything we do, while you're to blame for all that is happening. This level of mentality of course is nowhere near sufficient to face and overcome increasingly complex challenges of this time. So the outcome of this adventure is very well known if and long before it begins.

So, just what has your hero Joey Bidumb done for America anyway since he has been in office? Give me some highlights, will you?

Since Trump has been out of office, America has gone all down hill thanks to senile and bimbo head Bidumb. The Marxist demonrats have been trying everything they can to try and get Trump off the ballot. Why? What are you and the demonrats afraid of? I know why? But i will let you reply first. Over to you, Bidumb lover. 

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34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

"Nature doesn't have a plan"  - nature has a plan. "Why are you always trying to humanize nature?!!??!?"  LOLOL!!!!

Hmm. 🤔

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nature is demanding and exact in what she's looking for and if she doesn't get her way everything dies.

Yup she's a real douchbag alright.

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Nature absolutely follows a plan. And those that don't fit in the plan die off. Thats why we refer to 'the laws of nature'.

Except you refer to these laws as her. LMAO!

It's kinda funny how you refer to nature as she. Most societies that invent female gods or refer to nature as she are often more nurturing and forgiving than the punishing old testament type of thinking you normally display.

 

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Go look at the other planets in the universe.

No need for that. I'm quite certain you'll find beings whose thinking is as similarly muddled and confused as your's - nature is the same everywhere you go.

  

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14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hmm. 🤔

Yup she's a real douchbag alright.

 

WHY MUST YOU ALWAYS ANTHROPOMORPISE THINGS!!!!!! (reeeeeeee!!!)

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Except you refer to these laws as her. LMAO!

Sure. People have been referring to nature as 'her' for 3000 years now.  Shakespeare did frequently. You've never heard the term 'mother nature'? 

Here -

https://awomensthing.org/blog/mother-nature-woman/

I thought most people knew this but i forget that you don't read any books so i guess i just assumed.

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It's kinda funny how you refer to nature as she. Most societies that invent female gods or refer to nature as she are often more nurturing and forgiving than the punishing old testament type of thinking you normally display.

Well it'd be funny if that were true :P  but it isn't. Name me one society that hasn't referred to nature as a female.

 

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No need for that. I'm quite certain you'll find beings whose thinking is as similarly muddled and confused as your's - nature is the same everywhere you go.

uuuuuhhhh... suuuuuurrreeee - those martians are a befuddled bunch at the best of times. (???) 

I think you need to stop using the discount cough syrup.

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