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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well i don't know if i said anything about intervention at all but it will impact their pathways and opportunities to prosperity. They may have fewer options or may have to do more initially or it may take longer to achieve the same levels.

But it's not a barrier.  Lots and lots of poor people of all types move into the middle class, and there ARE paths.

 

Not ipso facto, no.   In fact at this point it may not be racist in the slightest. Poor is poor and has the same challenges regardless of race.  So while a population subgroup may today be on average less wealthy due ot issues from the past that does not mean that their economic situation today is due to racism.

 

Well if i recall properly you mostly participate in the american discussions and it's harder for me to comment with authority on the predominant American 'conservative' thinking as it's not interchangeable with Canadian conservative thinking exactly, but in canada i'd say go kiss my cod you cretinous bulbos toad!  Or something like that, probably. 

 

You know the blacks are all over  going back to apartied right now right?  UBC just opened a 'blacks only' lounge a week or two ago.

I don't really see that happening but i'm not in america so maybe i missed it.  It sounds to ME like the 'maga' types are more interested in worrying about jobs being created in the states and getting rid of illegal immigrants than they are worried about black people.  But that's obviously an outsider's viewpoint.

In order to succeed for the most part all the average person of any colour needs is for the gov't and others to get out of their way and to do the work.

Statisically if you finish highschool, get a job, and don't have a kid out of a committed relationship, you will in short order be comfortably into the middle class.

so its not socioeconomic position? funny i thought you said it was... now you're saying that its a lack of motivation. you seem to back to what you said it wasn't.

lets take a simple example. the government funds scholarships to good schools (because in the US its pay to play) for people who have applied themselves and got good grades in poor black neighbourhoods. government overreach? if that student worked at horrendous minimum wages for long periods so that they could go to crappy community colleges then that person would indeed with great effort make it into the lower 40 percentile of earners. but the upper percentiles remain elusive to that sub population. and if that sub population is of color then... well, its a democracy and you can't kick people for wanting a piece of the american dream.

of course, this example is different in Canada... because we are more "socialist"! all universities are publicly funded. tuition rates reflect social contracts to engage and are cheap like dirt compared to top US schools. yep, there's a reason that we don't have near as much poverty than the US.

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38 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1.  This story shows how leftwing activists are dominating even the most respected universities and bullying/threatening a professor who dares to publish evidence that doesn't align with their leftwing political agenda.  This is an attack on academia and shouldn't be tolerated.  It's an important story and a worrying trend that needs to be combated.  We aren't going to stop reporting on Muslim terrorism just because some people think it makes Islam look bad.

If white nationalists dominated Harvard and bullied/threatened profs who published evidence against their agendas this would also be worrisome.  Would you be complaining about that story?  No.

2.  One measure of success for academia is how open academics are to express different ideas.   If there's enforced groupthink it means some facts are going to be suppressed, which is dangerous for society.

3. The most effective way to convince people of an argument is to silence opinions and evidence to the contrary.  By definition this is called brainwashing.

1. It's a single event.  I explained the difference in my last post.

2. Yes but it's not shown how much of a threat it is.  The claims for sure say so, but it's not verified.

3. Such as posting individual examples, and not even responding when someone points out the flaws in your argument? Isn't that what you're doing?

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8 hours ago, Deluge said:

1. Then you should get off your ass and refute it with better sources. Remember, you just standing their with your mouth flapping doesn't mean shit. 

2. And you think Trump executed an insurrection on January 6. 

Don't you people understand that your opinions aren't worth shit? 

 

Number 2 is Your Opinion. You.may find, and it will be too late then, that what you consider to be Leftist fiction about Trumps director is, in fact, quite true. By then however the USA today as we know it will not exist any longer.

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27 minutes ago, godzilla said:

so its not socioeconomic position? funny i thought you said it was... now you're saying that its a lack of motivation. you seem to back to what you said it wasn't.
 

Kid - if all you're going to do is misquote me (this is the second time this thread) then there's no point in having a conversation.

Show me where i said the word "Motivation" at all. For that matter where did i say it was or wasn't socioeconomic.

If you have to lie to make your point - you don't have a very good point.  Stop making crap up i never said.

it's disappointing - i thought it was an interesting conversation but apperently it's asking too much for those on the left to actually address what was said rather than making up crap.

Lets take a simple example -

If a kid regardless of race graduates high school and goes to work, doesn't have kids outside of a committed relationshiop - they will almost certainly be middle class very shortly. Statistically this is true in the vast vast majority of cases.

Boom done.  Thanks for playing.  Next time don't waste my time lying about what i said.

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1 hour ago, godzilla said:

well other conservatives on the forum don't seem to agree that this is the only problem. it's mostly a socioeconomic problem. its reflected in many sub populations throughout history.

and its a tough argument to blame all of it on modern Democratic policy. the party that has a far better record in policy to support workers rights, minimum wages and pushes for educational and economic diversification to at least get black people properly represented in the american dream. what has the GOP done working stiffs the last 20 years? i'm listening. its not nothing but... not much either.

but black people know who are trying to make things more equitable for them and are supporting safety nets that only poor people have to rely on.

rural whites do not know whats going on. i've seen so many interviews on line of poor rural people having medical insurance for the first time under the Affordable Care Act, knowing that Trump wants to get rid of it (remember he tried before but was blocked by his party because he didn't have anything to replace it with) but still supporting him. and so he says he's going to have something much better. he says a lot of things. yet he has no plans. like solving the Ukrainian with a phone call.

again, again, again... Trumps only major signature policy passed:

Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

i note that "conservatives" have yet to even touch this piece of legislation.

All I see the Dems doing is hurting black people.

My son's best friend until we moved to Langley was half-black. 

In the states they'd call him black, I see a lot of people who look white down there who are considered black. Tyrus and Harold Ford Jr both identify as black and I get darker than that in the summer.

My son's friend grew up in a nicer house than ours, and his dad has a 1/4 share of a large, modern, waterfront cabin in the interior. The kid plays hockey and piano, you get the picture. And when he was 12, he was getting fitted for a suit in downtown New Westminster, along with my son, when a cop car was stopped out front in traffic. He pretended to have a shotgun and shoot at the cop, thinking it was cool. He had a mean look on his face. 

That was in 2020, for a July 18 wedding which actually went down during covid, just so you can sync the timeline with the G Floyd death.

I didn't address the incident at all, but I did tell his dad, and he said that he talked to him about it. 

Then when he was 14 he got suspended for "cussing a girl out" and slapping her across the face. Do Canadians even say "cussing out"? Did he get that from Americana? 

Anyways, that kid is on a horrible trajectory now and it has nothing to do with his family or his socioeconomic status and everything to do with the dems and "black culture". He's not even immersed in black culture, he doesn't live anywhere near it, but he's drawn to it like a moth to a flame. It's a powerful image to a kid: "I'm an angry black dude...". He was born on 3rd base. He could walk home, but he wants to be ghetto. His mom is not ghetto, she's as Canadian as anyone. Nice as pie. If anything it's his dad that's an ass, but nothing like a loser gangster.

Where does he get it from? Who's to blame? What can you do? 

I know what I can do - we haven't even seen him since the slap - but it's sad because he was one of the nicest kids ever. He was really polite and quite funny. I just don't want my kid hanging around with him through these impressionable years. It's f'd up. 

I 100% blame the Dems and "black culture" for that. It's a joke. It's a f'ing joke and it might be the waste of a life. 

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Kid - if all you're going to do is misquote me (this is the second time this thread) then there's no point in having a conversation.

Show me where i said the word "Motivation" at all. For that matter where did i say it was or wasn't socioeconomic.

If you have to lie to make your point - you don't have a very good point.  Stop making crap up i never said.

it's disappointing - i thought it was an interesting conversation but apperently it's asking too much for those on the left to actually address what was said rather than making up crap.

Lets take a simple example -

If a kid regardless of race graduates high school and goes to work, doesn't have kids outside of a committed relationshiop - they will almost certainly be middle class very shortly. Statistically this is true in the vast vast majority of cases.

Boom done.  Thanks for playing.  Next time don't waste my time lying about what i said.

so you make every effort not to say the word "motivation" but you talk a lot about someone making an effort to be successful, right? does that not imply motivation? if someone doesn't make an effort, doesn't that imply not being motivated?

in another post you addressed lack of good schools and being poor among other thins but, indeed, decided to avoid the word "socioeconomic" like the plague. are poor people not in a socioeconomic group?

if what you say is true about black people being able to make it into the "middle class" then why is there such a disparity between black and white people populating the economic spectrum in proportion to their populations?

these are really straight forward questions. honestly, we're not confident with you "conservatives" that you won't just pretend to answer by ignoring the actual questions asked.

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. It's a single event.  I explained the difference in my last post.

2. Yes but it's not shown how much of a threat it is.  The claims for sure say so, but it's not verified.

3. Such as posting individual examples, and not even responding when someone points out the flaws in your argument? Isn't that what you're doing?

1.  Well we have this event, then Bret Weinstein, and Lindsay Shepherd etc.  It's a worrisome thing to keep on eye on and should not be tolerated when these things happen.

2. True we don't know the extent of the threat.  It would be interesting to get a poll of profs and students.

3.  When does this happen, and why is it brainwashing?  I criticize radical ideologies like Trumpism, wokeism, radical Islamism, Nazism, communism etc.

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1 hour ago, godzilla said:

so you make every effort not to say the word "motivation"

I made no effort not to say that or any other word.  I say what i mean. That much should be entirely obvious about me.

Sigh.  Looks like you've gone full leftard. What a shame.  If all you bring to the table is lies then there's no point talking to you. Ill just stick to making fun of you like the other lying lefties who can't think their way out of a paper bag. What kind of loser clings to dishonesty like that and can still sleep at night.

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5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1.  Well we have this event, then Bret Weinstein, and Lindsay Shepherd etc.  It's a worrisome thing to keep on eye on and should not be tolerated when these things happen.

2. True we don't know the extent of the threat.  It would be interesting to get a poll of profs and students.

3.  When does this happen, and why is it brainwashing?  I criticize radical ideologies like Trumpism, wokeism, radical Islamism, Nazism, communism etc.

1. It's true that the individual events deserve monitoring and comment.

2.  Ok.

3. Wokism, of these, is the most we weakly defined.  It seems to be a poor cousin of progressivism, which many including you support to some degree.

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18 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your cite says "peer reviewed" but there is no pointer to a peer review published article.

Your cite references a working paper, not published and no reference to peer reviewed.

So cite the PUBLISHED DOCUMENT and JOURNAL or admit you LIED.

So ruin his career and threaten to kill him and his family?

Ya know...if and when retribution comes for you, your whining will be hypocritical as Hell. 

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

So ruin his career and threaten to kill him and his family?

Ya know...if and when retribution comes for you, your whining will be hypocritical as Hell. 

Yes they want to ruin his career. Look what they're doing to trump. They dont engage in debate. Leftist are religious extremists. Their religion is leftism which is hell bent on destroying America 

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25 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

 

Yes they want to ruin his career. Look what they're doing to trump. They dont engage in debate. Leftist are religious extremists. Their religion is leftism which is hell bent on destroying America 

You mean Democrats right?

Let's make sure we're demonizing the right people.

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34 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You mean Democrats right?

Let's make sure we're demonizing the right people.

Well it's like of like gender these days someone may call themselves a woman(democrat) but they have a penis and are actually a man (leftist). Leftists have killed off most liberals and now then Democrat party is increasingly leftist. Leftists hate America but they disguise themselves as Democrats. 

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43 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

Well it's like of like gender these days someone may call themselves a woman(democrat) but they have a penis and are actually a man (leftist). Leftists have killed off most liberals and now then Democrat party is increasingly leftist. Leftists hate America but they disguise themselves as Democrats. 

Oh that's QUITE clear... So a Democrat is someone with a penis then ?  Do you have an Exorcist ready on speed dial in case I should trap one in a butterfly net for you to cure ?

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16 hours ago, ironstone said:

Where is the proof of race bias in policing? 

Don’t be ridiculous. You can Google and find countless studies.  This was one study which even surprised the researcher. But you publish what you find whether it confirms your hypothesis or not.  But you seem interested in rejecting anything that doesn’t confirm your opinions, so I don’t see a point in digging up and reading a dozen academic studies, do you? 

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31 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh that's QUITE clear... So a Democrat is someone with a penis then ?  Do you have an Exorcist ready on speed dial in case I should trap one in a butterfly net for you to cure ?

It's amazing how analogies are lost on some people. Do you mean to be obtuse or does it come naturally? 

 

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Don’t be ridiculous. You can Google and find countless studies.  This was one study which even surprised the researcher. But you publish what you find whether it confirms your hypothesis or not.  But you seem interested in rejecting anything that doesn’t confirm your opinions, so I don’t see a point in digging up and reading a dozen academic studies, do you? 

You realize cops kill more whites than blacks right? 

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1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

Well it's like of like gender these days someone may call themselves a woman(democrat) but they have a penis and are actually a man (leftist). Leftists have killed off most liberals and now then Democrat party is increasingly leftist. Leftists hate America but they disguise themselves as Democrats. 

It’s the conservatives who are the sexual degenerates in America.  
 

Example: A man wants to wear dresses. Liberals don’t care. Conservatives get obsessed over it. 
 

Example 2: A woman wants to become a man. Liberals don’t care. Conservatives get obsessed over it. 
 

Example 3: Two women want to have sex with each other.  Liberals don’t care. Conservatives want to watch.

7 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

It's amazing how analogies are lost on some people. Do you mean to be obtuse or does it come naturally? 

 

You realize cops kill more whites than blacks right? 

You realize black people make up only 15% of the population, right?

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4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

It’s the conservatives who are the sexual degenerates in America.  
 

Example: A man wants to wear dresses. Liberals don’t care. Conservatives get obsessed over it. 
 

Example 2: A woman wants to become a man. Liberals don’t care. Conservatives get obsessed over it. 
 

Example 3: Two women want to have sex with each other.  Liberals don’t care. Conservatives want to watch.

You realize black people make up only 15% of the population, right?

It's amazing how rarely leftists use their brains.

What relevance is their % of the population? 

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh I get it.... Sorry, I'm not that bright.  Thanks for helping me out in this regard.

Don't thank me, I have no interest in helping you out. 

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6 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Don’t be ridiculous. You can Google and find countless studies.  This was one study which even surprised the researcher. But you publish what you find whether it confirms your hypothesis or not.  But you seem interested in rejecting anything that doesn’t confirm your opinions, so I don’t see a point in digging up and reading a dozen academic studies, do you? 

There are lots of stats out there. Here are some that may explain why certain ethnic groups come into contact with police more often than others.

https://crimeresearch.org/2023/11/violent-crime-rates-by-race/

You're suggesting that police are race biased because they interact more with certain minorities.

The police react to where the crime is happening.

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/24/race-and-violent-crime/

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4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

There are lots of stats out there. Here are some that may explain why certain ethnic groups come into contact with police more often than others.

https://crimeresearch.org/2023/11/violent-crime-rates-by-race/

You're suggesting that police are race biased because they interact more with certain minorities.

The police react to where the crime is happening.

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/24/race-and-violent-crime/

The left isn't interested in facts. Remember that their imbecilic leader said they prefer truth to facts. 

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14 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Number 2 is Your Opinion. You.may find, and it will be too late then, that what you consider to be Leftist fiction about Trumps director is, in fact, quite true. By then however the USA today as we know it will not exist any longer.

Number 2 is all Left, all of the time. Donald Trump has called out the cheaters and now they're trying to destroy him. This is a witch hunt - nothing more. 

2 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

The left isn't interested in facts. Remember that their imbecilic leader said they prefer truth to facts. 

Truth and facts go hand in hand. What the woketards offer is manufactured bullshit. 

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