Army Guy Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 8 hours ago, Videospirit said: The problem with you, is you look at this war and you go "It's Nato's fault", and that basically becomes your sole issue of focus to the point nothing else really matters to you and you spend almost every post you make blaming NATO for things. Tone is hard to tell over the internet, so maybe it's just extreme disappointment rather than dislike for NATO, but the effect of your actions is you basically work in favour of Russia because of your constant destructive criticism of NATO, whether you intend to or not. And you're also weirdly defensive of Nationalist, who has a freakish hard on for his fantasized Russian Victory. Neither of these things make you come across as pro Ukraine. The problem with you is you thought you were the forums moderator and sole mission is to correct my posts and opinions ....Not true my friend, you have options, ignore me, and move the F on , or start an adult conversation. NATO has made some very unrealistic promises to Ukraine, membership being one, a continuous supply of ammo and equipment another. And on all fronts NATO has failed to keep their end of the bargain, giving only enough supplies to keep Russia from over running the country...hoping Russia is going to give up in its's attempts to take what it wants. How is that working out for Ukraine. NATO has disappointed Ukraine, over and over again...Do i blame NATO for not keeping promises, yes i do they have slowed rolled this support in order not to incite the Russians to much, unless you or others on here can explain why NATO is holding back on supporting Ukraine...NATO is also busy rearming itself right now, and Ukraine is nothing more than a sideshow. Without NATO's continued support Ukraine will be taken over by Russia, in short order..and then what is to stop Russian aggression for that point forward, only membership in NATO it self... So let me get this straight, no one is allowed to criticize NATO and their lack of action because it may work in favor of Russia...Is that your message ? Nationalist has his own opinion on this conflict, that he owns and supports, you or i do not have to like it , but i'm positive he is not a russian bot or spy despite what DUI or others say. He has the same rights as anyone here to post whatever he wants on this forum. Are you saying we should be shouting him down...is that what we do today... I get it no criticism of NATO or this conflict, no supporting other posters rights to have their own opinions, because some disagree with them....And here i thought we had freedom of speech here in this nation...Not even sure how criticizing NATO makes me anti Ukraine...unless your jumping to conclusions....a lot of that happening around here. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 13 hours ago, User said: Silliness because first you ignored the stone cold evidence for what he was doing the first time and then after being called out try to play it off as just one post and still yet again now try to change it around to your not labeling someone after it was explained in even more detail what he has done. Calling him out for his posting is not merely labeling him. Your continued games with not recognizing this is the silliness. Come on User, You may not like what he has to say, but that does not make him a Russian cheerleader...many people disagree with this conflict in one way or another...Let me be clear i don't give a rats ass what he said...or done, i don't think he is a russian bot or cheerleader, because of his opinions on this topic....Nor do i have to go along with the mob trying to shout him down....He has a right to post whatever he likes. Perhaps we should just shoot that fuc*er in the face, or ban him , what's a fair punishment for his crimes, remove his balls maybe...I'll leave you guys to your games....and here i thought we were here to debate ideas and concepts...perhaps i'm wrong. Your right it is all silliness. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 7 hours ago, Nationalist said: Why should I support them? Either of them? What skin do I have in this? None. You clearly support Russia here and you clearly have an opinion on this that you continually push on this forum. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Come on User, You may not like what he has to say, but that does not make him a Russian cheerleader... Come on what? Again, it is not about not liking what he has to say. HE LITERALLY cheered them on. He continually pushes outright Putin propaganda to support Russia and defend them. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Let me be clear i don't give a rats ass what he said Yeah, that is quite obvious. You sit here defending him regardless of what he has said and argued. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: i don't think he is a russian bot or cheerleader, because of his opinions on this topic.... This is willful ignorance then. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Nor do i have to go along with the mob trying to shout him down....He has a right to post whatever he likes. This is a strawman. No where did I argue he can't post what he wants. You sit here trying to tell us you want Russia to lose, but now you are here defending one of their biggest defenders on this forum in this conflict. You have no problems on here trying to shout me or others down that are here defending Ukraine... but now you have a problem with us arguing with the guy defending Russia? Yeah, make that make sense. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Your right it is all silliness. Yes, what you are doing right now is silligness, willful ignorance, and quite frankly contradictory to what you keep telling us about your own opinions on this subject as you side with the guy who defends Russia. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 7 hours ago, Nationalist said: Yes. Most likely. Do you really think Ukraine will regain the land it's lost? The full context of your comment was not just regaining the land... but remaining a country at all. The point is that your comments here once again defending Russia, that they don't want to take over Ukraine, is BS. "Ukraine will most likely remain a country..." Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 10 minutes ago, User said: You clearly support Russia here and you clearly have an opinion on this that you continually push on this forum. Nope. I clearly support peace. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 4 minutes ago, User said: The full context of your comment was not just regaining the land... but remaining a country at all. The point is that your comments here once again defending Russia, that they don't want to take over Ukraine, is BS. "Ukraine will most likely remain a country..." You're stretching it a bit. Do you not think Ukraine will retain its statehood? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Nope. I clearly support peace. No, you don't. Peace was in place BEFORE Russia took Crimea. BEFORE Russia ran a shadow war in the Donbas and then an outright war there and then fully invaded Ukraine. All things you justify and push Russian propaganda to defend or obfuscate for Russia. You support "peace" in as much as that means we abandon Ukraine and leave them to lose to Russia on Russian terms. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: You're stretching it a bit. Do you not think Ukraine will retain its statehood? No. Ukraine will be nothing more than a Russian front controlled by Russia. Russian-approved leadership will be installed. Any efforts to oust through Democratic means will be destroyed by Russia just as they are in Russia, which keeps Putin in power. The fact that Russia is invading Ukraine right now proves they have no intent on Ukraine ever being an Independent country, as you try to claim. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: You should stick to something you know... Like knowing that if Russia ever invaded here, you would be the first in your regiment to capitulate, and sell out your comrades? It's a shame that Canada has individuals in it's military that go against the best interests of our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 38 minutes ago, User said: Come on what? Again, it is not about not liking what he has to say. HE LITERALLY cheered them on. He continually pushes outright Putin propaganda to support Russia and defend them. Yeah, that is quite obvious. You sit here defending him regardless of what he has said and argued. This is willful ignorance then. This is a strawman. No where did I argue he can't post what he wants. You sit here trying to tell us you want Russia to lose, but now you are here defending one of their biggest defenders on this forum in this conflict. You have no problems on here trying to shout me or others down that are here defending Ukraine... but now you have a problem with us arguing with the guy defending Russia? Yeah, make that make sense. Yes, what you are doing right now is silligness, willful ignorance, and quite frankly contradictory to what you keep telling us about your own opinions on this subject as you side with the guy who defends Russia. It's not about what he said but his right to say it... He has posted on hundreds of different topics none of them push a russian agenda... Again i'm not defending what he said but his right to say whatever he wants... Ya, well thats not what i remember i remember you and others shouting me down for my opinions, you should go back and reread those posts...and i have no problem with you arguing, ....my issue was with DUI and moonbeam chirping as they normally do.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 13 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Like knowing that if Russia ever invaded here, you would be the first in your regiment to capitulate, and sell out your comrades? It's a shame that Canada has individuals in it's military that go against the best interests of our country. What would you know about combat....or sacrifice to our country....nothing is my bet....at least i got off the couch and did something....you on the other hand are just a wanna be... What's in the best interest of the country? you have no idea do you ? you have done nothing for this country that matters, except been an air chair warrior....and chirping others that have at least stood up, multiply times and served the best interests of the country, and what is it you did again, got a computer and joined a forum....WOW...ever thought about a job in politics, i here the liberals are going to need a few ladyboys. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It's not about what he said but his right to say it... Lets go back to the start of this discussion, you ignorantly asserted: "do you really think Nationalist is a russia bot/ cheerleader here...considering all of the topics he posts in....but sure convict him on one post...." No, this was not about him having a right to say it. Our conversation began here because you ignored the stone-cold evidence of him literally cheering on Russia and continued to press that he was not as pro-Russia as he clearly is. Only now, instead of admitting you were wrong, do you try to change the subject to him having a right to say it. 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: He has posted on hundreds of different topics none of them push a russian agenda... The threads that are on this war... do. How is it you sit here posting this garbage and then in the next sentence try to claim you are not defending him? Yeah, you are. You just tried to again. 21 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Ya, well thats not what i remember i remember you and others shouting me down for my opinions, you should go back and reread those posts...and i have no problem with you arguing, ....my issue was with DUI and moonbeam chirping as they normally do.... Its a forum where people beat each other up over their views. I am no more shouting you down than you are here trying to shout me down right now. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 38 minutes ago, User said: No, you don't. Peace was in place BEFORE Russia took Crimea. BEFORE Russia ran a shadow war in the Donbas and then an outright war there and then fully invaded Ukraine. All things you justify and push Russian propaganda to defend or obfuscate for Russia. You support "peace" in as much as that means we abandon Ukraine and leave them to lose to Russia on Russian terms. Peace was not in place before. Russia ran jack. They supplied some arms, just like NATO was supplying arms to the Azovs. Abandon Ukraine? User up until Victoria Newland appeared in Ukraine, we had little to no interest in the place. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 7 minutes ago, User said: Lets go back to the start of this discussion, you ignorantly asserted: "do you really think Nationalist is a russia bot/ cheerleader here...considering all of the topics he posts in....but sure convict him on one post...." No, this was not about him having a right to say it. Our conversation began here because you ignored the stone-cold evidence of him literally cheering on Russia and continued to press that he was not as pro-Russia as he clearly is. Only now, instead of admitting you were wrong, do you try to change the subject to him having a right to say it. The threads that are on this war... do. How is it you sit here posting this garbage and then in the next sentence try to claim you are not defending him? Yeah, you are. You just tried to again. Its a forum where people beat each other up over their views. I am no more shouting you down than you are here trying to shout me down right now. Man...you really are upset by folks introducing reality and a complete understanding of the Ukraine issue. Are you Ukrainian by any chance? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Peace was not in place before. Wait, what? There was no war with Russia in January of 2014. You are such an insufferable Russian propagandist when we get past your bullshit, trite comments about only wanting peace. 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Man...you really are upset by folks introducing reality and a complete understanding of the Ukraine issue. Are you Ukrainian by any chance? No, it's annoying when people deny the obvious, drone on for a day, obfuscate, and then, after half a dozen posts, try to change the subject pretending like they didn't say what they already said. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Videospirit Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Nope. I clearly support peace. Which isn't possible as long as Russia is not convinced to stop being a rogue state, but you have shown 0 support for any kind of action that could force Russia to start playing by the rules put in place to allow Peace to exist. Russia winning in Ukraine doesn't bring peace, it brings war. But you're completely ignorant of the geopolitical ramifications of a Russian Victory and have no understanding of the relationship between the Ukraine situation and the rest of the world. You might toot your own horn about how well you understand the reality of the conflict, but you don't understand the reality of the conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, User said: Wait, what? There was no war with Russia in January of 2014. You are such an insufferable Russian propagandist when we get past your bullshit, trite comments about only wanting peace. No, it's annoying when people deny the obvious, drone on for a day, obfuscate, and then, after half a dozen posts, try to change the subject pretending like they didn't say what they already said. If it upsets you, don't read or reply. The Ukraine was attacking the Donbas region since 2014. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Videospirit said: Which isn't possible as long as Russia is not convinced to stop being a rogue state, but you have shown 0 support for any kind of action that could force Russia to start playing by the rules put in place to allow Peace to exist. Russia winning in Ukraine doesn't bring peace, it brings war. But you're completely ignorant of the geopolitical ramifications of a Russian Victory and have no understanding of the relationship between the Ukraine situation and the rest of the world. You might toot your own horn about how well you understand the reality of the conflict, but you don't understand the reality of the conflict. And what has NATO done...other than scuttle the original deal. Armed Ukraine and egged them on. Now there's a massive number of dead. Marvelous. Russia winning...what? Self determination for the people of Crimea and the Donbas regions? How will that result in more war? Your simply blowing chunks. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Videospirit Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 19 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Self determination for the people of Crimea and the Donbas regions? This is the most pathetic comment I have ever seen from someone who claims to understand the reality of what they're talking about. Does Russia pay you to spread their propaganda or are you a willing tool? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 3 hours ago, User said: Lets go back to the start of this discussion, you ignorantly asserted: "do you really think Nationalist is a russia bot/ cheerleader here...considering all of the topics he posts in....but sure convict him on one post...." No, this was not about him having a right to say it. Our conversation began here because you ignored the stone-cold evidence of him literally cheering on Russia and continued to press that he was not as pro-Russia as he clearly is. Only now, instead of admitting you were wrong, do you try to change the subject to him having a right to say it. The threads that are on this war... do. How is it you sit here posting this garbage and then in the next sentence try to claim you are not defending him? Yeah, you are. You just tried to again. Its a forum where people beat each other up over their views. I am no more shouting you down than you are here trying to shout me down right now. That was me stating the exact thing that judging him for the content in this topic does not make him a russian cheerleader...he has commented on hundreds of other threads and not one of them has he said anything that could connect him to the russians. He has a much different opinion on this topic than you do, so fuc*ing what..... And yes it is about his right to say what ever he wants on the topic, i mean we have listened to almost everyone's opinion as long as it does not differ from the main stream on this forum it is OK but have a different opinion then your labeled a bag of Sh1T.... Thats your opinion he is pro russian , i don't think he is....let me say that again, i don't think he is....my opinion....you don't have to like it it is my opinion....and for the record i was defending him and his right to post anything he likes, There we have it, we are not here to debate anything , this is fight club, we come to smash our opponents into the dirt...fair enough Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Videospirit Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Thats your opinion he is pro russian , i don't think he is This alone should disqualify you from pretending you're here to debate anything. It is not opinion that Nationalist is Pro Russian, it's verifiable, and has been verified, to you no less. The post Nationalist made literally two posts before the post I'm quoting alone is all the proof anyone needs to understand that Nationalist is Pro Russian. So it is either willful ignorance on your part, or your motives are malicious, either one disqualifies you from being taken seriously. If you aren't going to debate in good faith you don't deserve anyone to debate with you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: That was me stating the exact thing that judging him for the content in this topic does not make him a russian cheerleader...he has commented on hundreds of other threads and not one of them has he said anything that could connect him to the russians. He has a much different opinion on this topic than you do, so fuc*ing what..... Dude, this is just pathetic at this point. We literally have a screen grab of him cheering the Russians and you are like: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR hE iSnT a RuSsIaN cHeErLeAdEr DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Throughout this thread he has been pushing Russian propaganda that supports the Russians. In every other thread on this subject he does this. Of course he is not cheerleading the Russians on in some random thread about Biden or Trump or some other political issue of the day. That doesn't change anything. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: And yes it is about his right to say what ever he wants on the topic, i mean we have listened to almost everyone's opinion as long as it does not differ from the main stream on this forum it is OK but have a different opinion then your labeled a bag of Sh1T.... Its almost like you are projecting your own feelings onto him. The difference here is that he literally cheered them on and pushes Russian propaganda to support and justify and defend their invasion. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Thats your opinion he is pro russian , i don't think he is....let me say that again, i don't think he is....my opinion....you don't have to like it it is my opinion....and for the record i was defending him and his right to post anything he likes, No, his arguments here are literally pro russian. Its clear that what you think is based on willful ignorance at this point. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: There we have it, we are not here to debate anything , this is fight club, we come to smash our opponents into the dirt...fair enough Perhaps that is what you think of yourself here and why you are mindlessly defending this guy? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: If it upsets you, don't read or reply. The Ukraine was attacking the Donbas region since 2014. @Army Guy do you see this shit he is pushing here? FFS man. Here he is, pushing this absurd notion that Russia didn't start this. He has made this argument before, pushing the Russian propaganda that they were not in the Donbas in a shadow war there starting this mess, as if Russia was there to save the poor people from the Ukrainians. Seriously man. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 12 hours ago, Videospirit said: This is the most pathetic comment I have ever seen from someone who claims to understand the reality of what they're talking about. Does Russia pay you to spread their propaganda or are you a willing tool? Gee...does Zelinsky and NATO pay you? Because your comment here is both pathetic and ridiculous. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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