User Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: This "war" has nothing to do with me. Has nothing to do with you either. So, you cheer on Russia because the war has nothing to do with you? Make that make sense. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 (edited) 10 minutes ago, User said: So, you cheer on Russia because the war has nothing to do with you? Make that make sense. I want an end to this futile effort. Knowing which side will win on day 1, and watching Johnson kill a responsible peace treaty, has pissed me off a bit. This is none of NATO's business. Edited August 25 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 32 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I want an end to this futile effort. Knowing which side will win on day 1, and watching Johnson kill a responsible peace treaty, has pissed me off a bit. This is none of NATO's business. Futile? We are going on well into year 3 now. Apparently it has not been that futile for Ukraine at all. Yes, we all know you want Russia to win, so of course you don't want NATO to help Ukraine. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 5 minutes ago, User said: Futile? We are going on well into year 3 now. Apparently it has not been that futile for Ukraine at all. Yes, we all know you want Russia to win, so of course you don't want NATO to help Ukraine. Do you realize you're starting to sound like robo-twit here? "We" do not all know squat. YOU can't stand that I can't bring myself to "cheer" for your preferred side. I choose no side. I choose to see things for what they are...not what public sentiment figures I should choose. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 31 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Do you realize you're starting to sound like robo-twit here? "We" do not all know squat. YOU can't stand that I can't bring myself to "cheer" for your preferred side. I choose no side. I choose to see things for what they are...not what public sentiment figures I should choose. Well, in a fight between Ukraine and Russia it should be easy to cheer for Ukraine, but no, specifically right now the issue is that you are cheering for Russia. You push their propaganda and lies, and you literally just got done saying they should finish off Ukraine to take away any of their negotiating leverage. You do have a side here, you are just playing this game of avoiding admitting it. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 13 minutes ago, User said: Well, in a fight between Ukraine and Russia it should be easy to cheer for Ukraine, but no, specifically right now the issue is that you are cheering for Russia. You push their propaganda and lies, and you literally just got done saying they should finish off Ukraine to take away any of their negotiating leverage. You do have a side here, you are just playing this game of avoiding admitting it. Yes. I do have a "side" here. It's the side that knows The Rona created an economic issue that financing a stupid little war in Ukraine that had nothing to do with Canada or NATO. All this is, is a dumb expense. Sunken funds. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 25 Report Share Posted August 25 15 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yes. I do have a "side" here. It's the side that knows The Rona created an economic issue that financing a stupid little war in Ukraine that had nothing to do with Canada or NATO. All this is, is a dumb expense. Sunken funds. What is the point of NATO? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 4 hours ago, User said: What is the point of NATO? I don't know anymore. The reason for it's existence has been gone for over a decade. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I don't know anymore. The reason for it's existence has been gone for over a decade. So, that was rhetorical, you can likely see the path I am leading you down, so you choose not to answer. NATO's entire existence is based upon a mutual defense against Russian aggression. Gee... what is happening in Ukraine right now? How could that ever possibly be of concern to NATO? This is like connect the dots here, but there are only two dots. Its a straight line. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 18 hours ago, User said: So, that was rhetorical, you can likely see the path I am leading you down, so you choose not to answer. NATO's entire existence is based upon a mutual defense against Russian aggression. Gee... what is happening in Ukraine right now? How could that ever possibly be of concern to NATO? This is like connect the dots here, but there are only two dots. Its a straight line. Err...when did Ukraine become a NATO signatory? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 26 Report Share Posted August 26 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Err...when did Ukraine become a NATO signatory? You don't have to be a NATO signatory for the Russian aggression and expansion to be of concern to NATO... or in the interest of NATO to oppose. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 On 8/19/2024 at 4:29 PM, Army Guy said: Funny i thought i had already proven that fact to you, even gave you colorful maps so you could follow along... Funny indeed, because all you "proved" was that you had to zoom in so far we were looking at individual villages and streets to see any progress at all. Your argument that "advancing is advancing" looks pretty foolish now, considering Ukraine's captured an amount of territory in Kursk in a few weeks equivalent to what Russia struggled to take in Eastern Ukraine over a whole year. It's almost like throwing away manpower and material on attritional frontal assaults that accomplish next to nothing is bad military strategy...🙄 On 8/19/2024 at 4:29 PM, Army Guy said: What brand is that ?, let me guess the Russian cheerleading crowd that brand....or perhaps the the i'm a disgraced soldier brand, i'm not sure what brand it is any more... Nothing like that. I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't actually want Vladimir Putin to win. I'm talking about the low-info brand of easily-shaped populist whose opinions are informed not by knowledge or even curiosity, but by whatever the talking heads are saying on TV or online. Knowing next to nothing about something doesn't seem to stop you from having a strong opinion on it. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 36 minutes ago, Moonbox said: It's almost like throwing away manpower and material on attritional frontal assaults that accomplish next to nothing is bad military strategy...🙄 But of course, that is exactly what he thinks Ukraine should have done... just throw those troops back onto the front somewhere... Some of the best strategy you can do in warfare is force your enemy to respond to you. Keep them having to guess and have to move resources around. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 43 minutes ago, User said: But of course, that is exactly what he thinks Ukraine should have done... just throw those troops back onto the front somewhere... I don't really know what he thinks. The stuff he's saying here has been nonsense. 43 minutes ago, User said: Some of the best strategy you can do in warfare is force your enemy to respond to you. Keep them having to guess and have to move resources around. Ceding ground, inflicting heavy casualties and stretching an attacker's supply lines and logistics is another time-tested strategy. I guess these sorts of concepts are taught only to the officers and planners in Canada's military...evidently not the enlisted. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I don't really know what he thinks. The stuff he's saying here has been nonsense. He said that earlier, that this was a waste and they should have been sent to the front. (paraphrase) 9 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Ceding ground, inflicting heavy casualties and stretching an attacker's supply lines and logistics is another time-tested strategy. I guess these sorts of concepts are taught only to the officers and planners in Canada's military...evidently not the enlisted. I just don't understand why he would be so against this as a waste, like sending them to the front like business as usual would have been better. Especially when his entire shtick on here is to harp on how much land Russia is grinding for... but now that Ukraine takes more land than Russia has done all year, that is a waste. But Russia taking another 10 meters somewhere is proof Russia is winning and will certainly win. Edited August 27 by User 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 On 8/27/2024 at 11:28 AM, Moonbox said: Funny indeed, because all you "proved" was that you had to zoom in so far we were looking at individual villages and streets to see any progress at all. Your argument that "advancing is advancing" looks pretty foolish now, considering Ukraine's captured an amount of territory in Kursk in a few weeks equivalent to what Russia struggled to take in Eastern Ukraine over a whole year. It's almost like throwing away manpower and material on attritional frontal assaults that accomplish next to nothing is bad military strategy...🙄 Nothing like that. I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't actually want Vladimir Putin to win. I'm talking about the low-info brand of easily-shaped populist whose opinions are informed not by knowledge or even curiosity, but by whatever the talking heads are saying on TV or online. Knowing next to nothing about something doesn't seem to stop you from having a strong opinion on it. An argument that is backed up with sources that don't see it like you do...The fact remains Russian troops are advancing and doing it in several areas of the map...some of those same sources have described those advances as substantial...SO no i would not describe it as foolish but factual... Ukraine has taken a chunk of russia , and yes it is more than Russia has taken in months if not years...I don't believe i have said it was good strategy, but then again Russia has a long history of doing just that, lives do not have the same value as we give it in the west...i think the fact they have continued to do so for months on end proves all of that...Russia's chain of command is not worried about the cost in manpower or equipment...but rather in every meter of ground taken... I don't think anyone really wants putin to win, I also think the west or NATO does not want to paint Putin into a corner, as to expand this conflict into europe....NATO is only giving Ukraine as much support to maintain status quo... OK, i can take constructive criticism, I'm not an expert on much of anything,i do know my way around being an infanteer ,that and 3 bucks will get you a coffee..... i do however do research and try to present what i think is a valid augment...I don't however proclaim to be all knowing, and yes i've strong opinions on most topics, but in some cases i've been convinced to change my mind or opinion, Such as when you and i had a discussion on economics, i have several with Michael and he has shown me the light...there are a few others on here that i value their opinions...but i'm sure i'm not the only one here that has strong opinions That being said...thats a double edge sword...and it works for the rest of the forum as well....I've yet to meet many people on this forum that have NOT been influenced by media and have strong opinions based on all of that... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 On 8/27/2024 at 12:07 PM, User said: But of course, that is exactly what he thinks Ukraine should have done... just throw those troops back onto the front somewhere... Some of the best strategy you can do in warfare is force your enemy to respond to you. Keep them having to guess and have to move resources around. Let me ask you what has Ukraine been doing in the last year, holding ground and letting Russia grind and losing men and equipment, it seems to be working for them...unless you can point to where it is not working...so why would fix something thats not broken... Yes it is good strategy, but the question i keep asking and no one has the answer for is with Ukraines resources almost maxed out, why would you jeopardize current actions with a new one that is an unkown. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 On 8/27/2024 at 1:46 PM, Moonbox said: Ceding ground, inflicting heavy casualties and stretching an attacker's supply lines and logistics is another time-tested strategy. I guess these sorts of concepts are taught only to the officers and planners in Canada's military...evidently not the enlisted. Is this not what Ukraine was doing, until the incursion...So how would putting those reinforcements back into those same areas be nonsense...Ukraine has been doing exactly what you suggested all along....but when i suggest moving troops back into the same lines it is nonsense....why fix it if it is working....you've spent a lot of bandwidth telling me that Russian gains are nothing...which would indicate Ukraines original plan is working...So tell me why if it is working why would you risk changing up the plan for something that may have turned out to be very risky.... And your 100 % right Officers do the planing, Enlisted carry out the plan...do it often enough and you will see plans for what they are....good or bad...you don't need to be an officer to see a plan and it's mistakes... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 On 8/27/2024 at 1:56 PM, User said: I just don't understand why he would be so against this as a waste, like sending them to the front like business as usual would have been better. Especially when his entire shtick on here is to harp on how much land Russia is grinding for... but now that Ukraine takes more land than Russia has done all year, that is a waste. But Russia taking another 10 meters somewhere is proof Russia is winning and will certainly win. It has already been pointed out that prior to the Incursion, Ukraine action plan was working to minimize Russian advances, to cost them manpower...and yet when i suggest reinforcing those vital areas that Russian troops are advancing on that is non sense, or some how inconceivable.... Pointing out that Russia is making gains is not a shtick, but fact...and i have mentioned that Ukraine's incursion has shown great progress, for how long or at what cost are questions i asked...And never have i said Russia is winning the war, I have said it has more resources than Ukraine has, and with out NATO support Ukraine would crash and burn....those are facts........i have stated many times the whole conflict is more or less a stalemate, as thats what NATO wants...they don't want to upset the balance in the area or Russia.....If NATO wanted a victory then the supplies would be flooding Ukraine... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 29 Report Share Posted August 29 On 8/23/2024 at 3:32 PM, Army Guy said: Yes Ukraine continues to hold Kursk, I don't think anyone is debating that fact, what i have questioned is for how long, and at what price ? But i guess no one is allow to question or submit an opinion that is different from the mainstream. You keep asking this over and over again. It's a war, AG. Deal with it. On 8/23/2024 at 3:32 PM, Army Guy said: What can i say, i guess only time will tell if this incursion has been worth the time, effort, and resources they put in to it...I'm not the only one that has questioned this incursion many others in NATO and other sources have as well.... You question everything Ukraine does. On 8/23/2024 at 3:32 PM, Army Guy said: This is but one small part of this conflict a win here may or may not effect the entire outcome of this conflict....that is not doom and gloom thats a fact...What is still unclear is what is Russia going to do , if anything... Russia will not do much of anything different than they have been doing for the past 30 months. On 8/23/2024 at 3:32 PM, Army Guy said: Unconfirmed reports are saying Belarus is now send thousands of troops to Ukraine border, if true what is going to be Ukraines response... Big deal. Belarus is just trolling. Belarus does not have much of a military, and would never get involved in the conflict, since there is a chance it could spill over to other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted August 29 Report Share Posted August 29 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Let me ask you what has Ukraine been doing in the last year, holding ground and letting Russia grind and losing men and equipment, it seems to be working for them...unless you can point to where it is not working...so why would fix something thats not broken... Let me ask you something... your entire argument on here has been that this isn't working, as you continually harp on how Russia is taking land. Now... you are here saying this is a working strategy for Ukraine? Seriously, this comes across as if you are just trying to argue this whatever way you can to make a point. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes it is good strategy, but the question i keep asking and no one has the answer for is with Ukraines resources almost maxed out, why would you jeopardize current actions with a new one that is an unkown. What did they jeopardize exactly? I am not in the room doing the risk evaluations, but I have done risk evaluations before, including in the military. The fact that there is some risk is not reason to not do something, its a risk vs reward, and as we see that risk is paying off huge for them right now. You look at the entire history of warfare, everything is a risk... doing the same thing is a risk. You didn't respond to any of the points I made about how and why this was a good risk. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: It has already been pointed out that prior to the Incursion, Ukraine action plan was working to minimize Russian advances, to cost them manpower...and yet when i suggest reinforcing those vital areas that Russian troops are advancing on that is non sense, or some how inconceivable.... Here you go again... up to this point you have not been on here talking about how anything is working for Ukraine, you have been constantly arguing Ukraine is losing because Russia is taking land. It is not an either/or, Ukraine did not give up on defending the current front lines, they risked some manpower to try something different. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Pointing out that Russia is making gains is not a shtick, but fact...and i have mentioned that Ukraine's incursion has shown great progress, for how long or at what cost are questions i asked...And never have i said Russia is winning the war, I have said it has more resources than Ukraine has, and with out NATO support Ukraine would crash and burn....those are facts........ Never said Russia is winning? You have been arguing in here about how Ukraine can't last at this rate, how much more Russia has... this is you not saying Russia is winning? "and i'm sorry to say that support will continue to dwindle...Ukraine knows that, the wests attention span is not that long...instead of losing men with no return they should start talks...every day they wait russia gains more ground..." So... I guess, lets take away all this history, I will now accept your terms, you don't think Ukraine is losing. Great. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: i have stated many times the whole conflict is more or less a stalemate, as thats what NATO wants...they don't want to upset the balance in the area or Russia.....If NATO wanted a victory then the supplies would be flooding Ukraine... Well, no, you have been harping on Ukraine losing ground, NATO not keeping up with Russia... can you point to where you have ever said this was a stalemate before now? NATO has been **** footing around trying to not cross a big grey line of what might be considered direct engagement against Russia, sure, and I agree they can do more and should have from the start, but such incompetence or unwillingness != purposefully wanting a stalemate. That is conspiratorial level stuff, that all the NATO countries are somehow playing such an evil game with the lives of Ukrainians to just drag this out as a stalemate with Russia. That is a very simple and extreme take on things, thinking that all those Western countries have such an evil Machiavellian plan. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 29 Report Share Posted August 29 14 hours ago, User said: Let me ask you something... your entire argument on here has been that this isn't working, as you continually harp on how Russia is taking land. Now... you are here saying this is a working strategy for Ukraine? Seriously, this comes across as if you are just trying to argue this whatever way you can to make a point. What did they jeopardize exactly? I am not in the room doing the risk evaluations, but I have done risk evaluations before, including in the military. The fact that there is some risk is not reason to not do something, its a risk vs reward, and as we see that risk is paying off huge for them right now. You look at the entire history of warfare, everything is a risk... doing the same thing is a risk. You didn't respond to any of the points I made about how and why this was a good risk. Here you go again... up to this point you have not been on here talking about how anything is working for Ukraine, you have been constantly arguing Ukraine is losing because Russia is taking land. It is not an either/or, Ukraine did not give up on defending the current front lines, they risked some manpower to try something different. Never said Russia is winning? You have been arguing in here about how Ukraine can't last at this rate, how much more Russia has... this is you not saying Russia is winning? "and i'm sorry to say that support will continue to dwindle...Ukraine knows that, the wests attention span is not that long...instead of losing men with no return they should start talks...every day they wait russia gains more ground..." So... I guess, lets take away all this history, I will now accept your terms, you don't think Ukraine is losing. Great. Well, no, you have been harping on Ukraine losing ground, NATO not keeping up with Russia... can you point to where you have ever said this was a stalemate before now? NATO has been **** footing around trying to not cross a big grey line of what might be considered direct engagement against Russia, sure, and I agree they can do more and should have from the start, but such incompetence or unwillingness != purposefully wanting a stalemate. That is conspiratorial level stuff, that all the NATO countries are somehow playing such an evil game with the lives of Ukrainians to just drag this out as a stalemate with Russia. That is a very simple and extreme take on things, thinking that all those Western countries have such an evil Machiavellian plan. Look go back and reread my comments, my entire augment has "NOT" been that Ukraine strategy is not working as you suggest, I said the incursion was a waste of time, resources and man power...... Ukraine is doing what it can with the level of support that NATO is giving them, if they "Ukraine" is losing ground it is not because of there strategy, they are only playing the cards they have been dealt....No where did i say anything about their past strategy. What did they jeopardize, Well everything really, expanding the war in another sector, when they are struggling in all most all of them, meaning critical manpower and equipment is now being lost at a higher rate than it normally would had they maintained a defensive posture, you also use a shit ton more ammo, that is in critical levels... They risk that belirus will enter this war..., They risk Russia bringing in more troops from other parts of Russia to bolster the remaining border areas, forcing Ukraine to match or exceed those numbers so this incursion does not happen to them ukraine. They risked NATO stopping arms shipment as they were not aware of the incursion and what it could mean for NATO, They are now using long range NATO supplied weapons' on Russia itself, which required NATO approval... The risked wasting those troops to be killed or captured...when they were much needed reserve forces to counter any Russian break through... I have said many times that the Incursion is working out for the Ukrainians, i also asked for how long, and at what cost...only time will tell.... I have pointed out the FACT that Russia is gaining ground, which you and others on here have said it was a moot point...that was a month ago and those gains are all adding up.... Why would sitting down with Russia and talking be a bad thing ?... Reread my posts at best this is a stalemate....taking a small chunk of Russia is not going to be the winning move, after 2 plus years of conflict there has been no large gains of ground for anyone really...So how can it be anything other than a stalemate... Look during all these conversations your side of the augment has clearly stated that Russia could not compete with NATO economy or rate of productions...And yet they have, IF they could beat or compete ....why HAS NATO hesitated to provide the latest in tanks IFV, Aircraft instead of hand me downs.......not to mention AMMO or other weapon systems...it could only mean a couple of things , NATO is holding back big time, if it wanted to it could flood ukraine with all the kit they need to push Russia back to moscow if they wanted.....why have they not done this ? ...or NATO does not want to pi$$ the Russians of more than they have to...keeping the level of support even with Russian activity on the ground... Or perhaps NATO is hurting it self with equipment levels/ manpower levels etc and they can't afford to be equipping Ukraine...Most NATO countries have cashed in on the peace bonds hard, even the US has let some of their numbers slip a little while other larger partners like the UK ,Germany, france, and most others are just shells of their former selves.... MY conspiracy theory makes sense if you think about it, NATO's main purpose is counter Russia...and China...why would it not be to NATO advantage to have Ukraine wear Russia's combat power down with NO combat losses to NATO...all it costs is some equipment most of it old stuff....I mean really what does Ukraine hold or have that the entire globe depends on... It is not full member of the EU yet, not a NATO Member, it is part of the food basket for some of the world...and it does not want to be part of the Russian empire...So is it worth NATO going to war over or going broke over. Don't act like the west has not played god with other nations around the globe....remember Somalia, with thousands dying of starvation, in goes a US coalition and instead of killing the terrorist and gangs, and feeding the people we left after the US pulled out....then there is Yugoslavia, middle east, Asia, Afghanistan, the list goes on and on...So playing with Ukraine is not out of the question.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted August 29 Report Share Posted August 29 (edited) 23 hours ago, Army Guy said: An argument that is backed up with sources that don't see it like you do...The fact remains Russian troops are advancing and doing it in several areas of the map...some of those same sources have described those advances as substantial...SO no i would not describe it as foolish but factual... Those sources argued that advancing is advancing, or that hundreds of thousands of dead and irreplaceable equipment losses were worth creeping forward ~20km in a year, in isolated sectors of a ~1000km front? 🤔 No, they did not. That was just you. As I said, it was a foolish argument to begin with, and it looks doubly foolish now that Russia's given up the equivalent of a year's worth of their grinding, wasteful offensive. 23 hours ago, Army Guy said: Russia's chain of command is not worried about the cost in manpower or equipment...but rather in every meter of ground taken... Then losing an equivalent of one year's worth of creeping gains over a few weeks must be a catastrophe for them, right? 🤣 This is yet another foolish argument that even a moment's consideration would discard. That doesn't appear to be your strong suit though. The opinion always seems to come first. Any consideration of the facts or reasoning behind that opinion is a distant afterthought... Edited August 29 by Moonbox 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 29 Report Share Posted August 29 3 hours ago, Moonbox said: Those sources argued that advancing is advancing, or that hundreds of thousands of dead and irreplaceable equipment losses were worth creeping forward ~20km in a year, in isolated sectors of a ~1000km front? 🤔 No, they did not. That was just you. As I said, it was a foolish argument to begin with, and it looks doubly foolish now that Russia's given up the equivalent of a year's worth of their grinding, wasteful offensive. Then losing an equivalent of one year's worth of creeping gains over a few weeks must be a catastrophe for them, right? 🤣 This is yet another foolish argument that even a moment's consideration would discard. That doesn't appear to be your strong suit though. The opinion always seems to come first. Any consideration of the facts or reasoning behind that opinion is a distant afterthought... Still can't get over the fact that Russian forces have been and still are advancing, those are just facts, facts you can not deny... Not just me, this source is from the BBC, i can find more if you want...but then again you already knew that In recent days, Russian troops have made some significant gains to the north-west of Donetsk and claim to have captured the small town of Niu-York. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682 I'm sure the Russian defence department will take your opinion into account, perhaps you can list the number of Russian conflicts that took these concerns seriously...What you and i consider wasteful is a moot point to them... I'm sure someone was taken out back and shot yes, i think they are taking it seriously, how seriously is not really apparent...by their current actions is it ? Debating without personal insults is not your strong suit is it...i don't recall judging you let alone insulting you or your opinions, I think i'll end this conversation on that point. Thanks for the talk. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: Still can't get over the fact that Russian forces have been and still are advancing, those are just facts, facts you can not deny... I've nothing to get over. I know it's happening. I'm not disagreeing with that. This line of argument is as dopey as all your others on this topic. 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: Debating without personal insults is not your strong suit is it...i don't recall judging you let alone insulting you or your opinions, I think i'll end this conversation on that point. Thanks for the talk. Such a thin skin. If you don't want people to mock your reasoning then don't argue yourself into a corner and make yourself look silly. If all that matters to Russia is the amount of territory they gain, and if their casualties and material losses don't matter, then the Kursk incursion is a catastrophic setback, isn't it? Ukraine has just cancelled out a year's worth of Russian "progress" in three weeks. I'm using your logic here, so if anyone needs to get over anything, it's you. Thanks for the talk. 🙄 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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