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17 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I think most of them do. Let’s not forget that young Russian men are fleeing from their country in droves. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/

"But I don’t want to fight, as I don’t trust our government. They don’t care about people. And they don’t care if there’s a war going on, they’re corrupt and keep stealing the money that we pay for the army. Why go to war for a state who only wants to steal?"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/6/dont-want-to-fight-ukrainians-abroad-slam-plan-to-deny-embassy-services

 

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11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/

"But I don’t want to fight, as I don’t trust our government. They don’t care about people. And they don’t care if there’s a war going on, they’re corrupt and keep stealing the money that we pay for the army. Why go to war for a state who only wants to steal?"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/6/dont-want-to-fight-ukrainians-abroad-slam-plan-to-deny-embassy-services

 

The irony is that Russian soldiers are far more likely to feel this way than their Ukrainian counterparts. 

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2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

My point? That the war needs to end.

Ukraine is defending itself. The war can quickly end when Russia's aggression ends. 

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya...that'll happen tomorrow...

How is that big Russian offensive that you were practically cheering on a few weeks ago now going?... doesn't look like it is all over for Ukraine yet. 

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4 hours ago, User said:

Ukraine is defending itself. The war can quickly end when Russia's aggression ends. 

How is that big Russian offensive that you were practically cheering on a few weeks ago now going?... doesn't look like it is all over for Ukraine yet. 

He clearly wants Russia to win, since he is brainwashed by Russian propaganda. If this were 1941, he would be cheering on the German Army.

Nationalist wants Ukraine to surrender. 

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7 hours ago, User said:

Ukraine is defending itself. The war can quickly end when Russia's aggression ends. 

How is that big Russian offensive that you were practically cheering on a few weeks ago now going?... doesn't look like it is all over for Ukraine yet. 

@DUI_Offender said Russia needs to leave altogether. I said they won't just leave because all indications are...they won't. And you put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5. Way t'go Joe!

I'm not "practically cheering on" squat. I'm not sure why you have such a mental block but...maybe Exlax could help?

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2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

@DUI_Offender said Russia needs to leave altogether. I said they won't just leave because all indications are...they won't. And you put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5. Way t'go Joe!

And Ukraine is not going to surrender just because you keep saying they should either... 

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'm not "practically cheering on" squat. I'm not sure why you have such a mental block but...maybe Exlax could help?

Yeah, you repeatedly brought up this point in your efforts to demand Ukraine surrender to end this war, as if it was over and they just needed to see the light. 

So... is it over? How far has Russia made it? How much closer to Odessa did they get?

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37 minutes ago, User said:

And Ukraine is not going to surrender just because you keep saying they should either... 

Yeah, you repeatedly brought up this point in your efforts to demand Ukraine surrender to end this war, as if it was over and they just needed to see the light. 

So... is it over? How far has Russia made it? How much closer to Odessa did they get?

Dude...you're being extremely childish now. Exlax...try it.

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3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'm not "practically cheering on" squat. I'm not sure why you have such a mental block but...maybe Exlax could help?

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What were you saying about mental blocks?  

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2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

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What were you saying about mental blocks?  

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LOL...Hi LOSER.

Bein' stoopid again I see. Good good...wouldn't wanna change that perfect goose egg of a batting average.

Interesting dog. Yours?

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Dude...you're being extremely childish now. Exlax...try it.

The stupidity. You say I am being extremely childish in the same sentence you tell me to try Exlax.

Look in the mirror.

Instead of dealing with the actual question I posed to you, you are the one resorting to such childish responses. You tried to push on here a few weeks ago that Russia was in some big offensive and that Ukraine needed to surrender, as if they couldn't hold out and argued they were stretched too thin and had no one left as if Russia was on the verge of some major offensive they couldn't stop. 

So... what happened? How far did they get? How hopeless was it for Ukraine?

You don't like these questions because your narrative was destroyed. 

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7 minutes ago, User said:

The stupidity. You say I am being extremely childish in the same sentence you tell me to try Exlax.

Look in the mirror.

Instead of dealing with the actual question I posed to you, you are the one resorting to such childish responses. You tried to push on here a few weeks ago that Russia was in some big offensive and that Ukraine needed to surrender, as if they couldn't hold out and argued they were stretched too thin and had no one left as if Russia was on the verge of some major offensive they couldn't stop. 

So... what happened? How far did they get? How hopeless was it for Ukraine?

You don't like these questions because your narrative was destroyed. 

Ya well...I'm tired of this BS of yours. You can't show that I actually want anything but for the war to end. So you concoct accusations, apparently because you find my conclusions drawn from common sense...offensive.

You may cheer on Ukraine all you like. All you've destroyed is your reputation as an independent thinker. But...

https://www.politico.eu/article/why-ukraine-losing-russia-war/

And is Brandon interested in Zelinsky's peace conference? Nope.

https://www.politico.eu/article/joe-biden-white-house-ukraine-peace-summit-volodymyr-zelenskyy-russia-kamala-harris-jake-sullivan/

They're sending Kamala...LOL...the cackle-queen of the West. Ya...that'll impress a lot o' Euros.

Yesterday right-wing parties dominated the EU elections all over Europe. In France, Macron is forcing a snap election as a result. So much for the great warrior Macron.

Europe does not want a war INSIDE Europe. Not again and certainly not over Ukraine.

 

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11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya well...I'm tired of this BS of yours. You can't show that I actually want anything but for the war to end. So you concoct accusations, apparently because you find my conclusions drawn from common sense...offensive.

The war can end many ways. You very specifically want the war to end by Ukraine surrendering and/or negotiating an end from a position of weakness with no NATO/US support. 

What you offer is anything but common sense and mostly built around pushing outright lies and Russian propaganda. 

So, what exactly is it I am concocting here?

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You may cheer on Ukraine all you like. All you've destroyed is your reputation as an independent thinker. But...

Cheering on Ukraine and being an independent thinker are not mutually exclusive things. Ukraine is the good guy here, the victim to evil Russian aggression. 

Why wouldn't I cheer them on? You see, when you post crap like this, it reveals your intentions and motivations - which are clearly skewed to supporting Russia. 

So, the question is not why I would cheer on Ukraine. It is why you wouldn't? Why do you cheer on Russia and support them?

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This is an article from April... was there something in here specifically important to any point you were making here? Other than the fact that you are still ignoring all my questions?

 

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5 minutes ago, User said:

The war can end many ways. You very specifically want the war to end by Ukraine surrendering and/or negotiating an end from a position of weakness with no NATO/US support. 

What you offer is anything but common sense and mostly built around pushing outright lies and Russian propaganda. 

So, what exactly is it I am concocting here?

Cheering on Ukraine and being an independent thinker are not mutually exclusive things. Ukraine is the good guy here, the victim to evil Russian aggression. 

Why wouldn't I cheer them on? You see, when you post crap like this, it reveals your intentions and motivations - which are clearly skewed to supporting Russia. 

So, the question is not why I would cheer on Ukraine. It is why you wouldn't? Why do you cheer on Russia and support them?

This is an article from April... was there something in here specifically important to any point you were making here? Other than the fact that you are still ignoring all my questions?

 

ROFLMAO..."Ukraine is the good guy". OMG...you have no idea what Ukraine is like...do you.

Young man...Ukraine is and has been for a long long time...a corrupt sh1thole.

Again...you may cheer on anyone your little heart desires. I won't cheer on any of them as I find the whole sorted story of Ukraine this last 20 years, a comedy of fck-ups by everyone concerned...including NATO and that twat Nuland. If I had my way...I'd put Nuland, Zeleinsky AND Putin all in the same cage and let them fight for eternity.

I see it hurts your precious feewings that I will not throw my support behind any of 'em. I see what's happening...I know why its happening...I place blame where it belongs...and want this asinine exhibition of murderous insanity to end.

But ya...you may follow your feewings all you like.

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40 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

ROFLMAO..."Ukraine is the good guy". OMG...you have no idea what Ukraine is like...do you.

Young man...Ukraine is and has been for a long long time...a corrupt sh1thole.

Ukraine is the good guy... HERE. 

It doesn't matter how corrupt you think they were, you claim you want peace... their being corrupt doesn't somehow make Russia the good guy for invading them. Yet here you are... basically justifying it again. 

The funny thing is that Russia is just as corrupt at a minimum, if not obviously more so. Yet... you continue to ignore them with your ire.

44 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I place blame where it belongs...and want this asinine exhibition of murderous insanity to end.

Oh really... so where does the blame belong then? Where are you placing it exactly?

Again, this can end any number of ways, you support it ending in the most beneficial way to Russia, on their terms, leaving Ukraine high and dry. 

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3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

ROFLMAO..."Ukraine is the good guy". OMG...you have no idea what Ukraine is like...do you.

Young man...Ukraine is and has been for a long long time...a corrupt sh1thole.

Again...you may cheer on anyone your little heart desires. I won't cheer on any of them as I find the whole sorted story of Ukraine this last 20 years, a comedy of fck-ups by everyone concerned...including NATO and that twat Nuland. If I had my way...I'd put Nuland, Zeleinsky AND Putin all in the same cage and let them fight for eternity.

I see it hurts your precious feewings that I will not throw my support behind any of 'em. I see what's happening...I know why its happening...I place blame where it belongs...and want this asinine exhibition of murderous insanity to end.

But ya...you may follow your feewings all you like.

Do you know how to distinguish right from wrong? Invading a sovereign nation, committing war crimes, raping and killing women and children,  and kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian children and forcing them into Russia is justified because Ukraine is corrupt???

Didn't your parents ever teach you morality?

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31 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Didn't your parents ever teach you morality?

They didn't teach him morality, nor did they teach him basic reasoning.  That's why he contradicts himself every second post.  

This is easily one of the dumbest people on the whole forum.  👌

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3 hours ago, User said:

Ukraine is the good guy... HERE. 

It doesn't matter how corrupt you think they were, you claim you want peace... their being corrupt doesn't somehow make Russia the good guy for invading them. Yet here you are... basically justifying it again. 

The funny thing is that Russia is just as corrupt at a minimum, if not obviously more so. Yet... you continue to ignore them with your ire.

Oh really... so where does the blame belong then? Where are you placing it exactly?

Again, this can end any number of ways, you support it ending in the most beneficial way to Russia, on their terms, leaving Ukraine high and dry. 

There is no "good guy" here. None of them.

I told you I blame...all of them.

Sure it can end a number of ways. Russia could leave now. The sun could go super nova too. But chances are neither will happen any time soon. What does that leave? More war, or a peace treaty.

I know which I would choose.

You?

40 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Do you know how to distinguish right from wrong? Invading a sovereign nation, committing war crimes, raping and killing women and children,  and kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian children and forcing them into Russia is justified because Ukraine is corrupt???

Didn't your parents ever teach you morality?

Yes they did. They also taught me common sense. Apparently you missed that lesson. 

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12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

There is no "good guy" here. None of them.

I told you I blame...all of them.

Sure it can end a number of ways. Russia could leave now. The sun could go super nova too. But chances are neither will happen any time soon. What does that leave? More war, or a peace treaty.

I know which I would choose.

You?

This is not hard. It is not a black-or-white, 100% good-or-bad question, nor are they 100% equal. In this war, Ukraine is the good, and Russia is the bad.

Russia and Ukraine are not equally bad here. Russia is the one who started this war, started all this killing, that you seem to pretend to be so upset about. 

You are so in the tank for Russia that you can't even admit that, even to a slight degree of difference, Russia is worse.

Yet again, you continue to dodge the fact that you don't support giving Ukraine any leverage here. It is not some absurd far fetched position that Russia gives up and completely leaves all territory as you keep building a strawman to argue against. 

As I said and you keep ignoring:

 " you support it ending in the most beneficial way to Russia, on their terms, leaving Ukraine high and dry. "

 

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13 minutes ago, User said:

This is not hard. It is not a black-or-white, 100% good-or-bad question, nor are they 100% equal. In this war, Ukraine is the good, and Russia is the bad.

Russia and Ukraine are not equally bad here. Russia is the one who started this war, started all this killing, that you seem to pretend to be so upset about. 

You are so in the tank for Russia that you can't even admit that, even to a slight degree of difference, Russia is worse.

Yet again, you continue to dodge the fact that you don't support giving Ukraine any leverage here. It is not some absurd far fetched position that Russia gives up and completely leaves all territory as you keep building a strawman to argue against. 

As I said and you keep ignoring:

 " you support it ending in the most beneficial way to Russia, on their terms, leaving Ukraine high and dry. "

 

Ukraine has no leverage! Why the hell do you think Zelinsky is holding this peace conference? He's hoping NATO will give him leverage.

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15 minutes ago, User said:

This is not hard. It is not a black-or-white, 100% good-or-bad question, nor are they 100% equal. In this war, Ukraine is the good, and Russia is the bad.

Russia and Ukraine are not equally bad here. Russia is the one who started this war, started all this killing, that you seem to pretend to be so upset about. 

You are so in the tank for Russia that you can't even admit that, even to a slight degree of difference, Russia is worse.

Yet again, you continue to dodge the fact that you don't support giving Ukraine any leverage here. It is not some absurd far fetched position that Russia gives up and completely leaves all territory as you keep building a strawman to argue against. 

As I said and you keep ignoring:

 " you support it ending in the most beneficial way to Russia, on their terms, leaving Ukraine high and dry. "

 

You are taking about a guy who watches disgraced military colonel (and drug addict) Douglas MacGregor rant about Ukraine "about to surrender" every month for 27 months. The dude probably failed Grade 11 History.

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