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33 minutes ago, User said:

I do not enjoy this Russian aggression or your support of it at all. 

Nobody enjoys war except the very warped. 

Man you sound like Wolfowitz or Bush...

"You're either with us or against us."

And millions...Hell hundreds of millions were against "us". Were they all wrong? Well no...as it turned out, they were right.

Your position is so simplistic...basic...elementary. 

"I think Marines rock."

The USA Vs. Russia was always the war that can never happen...and at the rate things are going...that's where we're all headed.

Zelinsky has been trying to convince Brandon and Xi to attend his peace talks...without any contingent from the protagonist...Russia. meh...a little ridiculous but a start...I hope.

Maybe Russia will agree to leave? Doubtful now but...

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59 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

"You're either with us or against us."

You should try notepad if you are going to argue against yourself. 

The point I was making was quite clear. You keep espousing views as if you are against this war and the suffering... but you also push Russian propaganda to justify the war... 

You know how people don't die in war? Don't start the war. Everything you argue here is to back Russia and to justify their war. Now you try to pretend like you don't like people dying. 

You know who is losing a lot more men than Ukraine is? Russia. 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, User said:

You should try notepad if you are going to argue against yourself. 

The point I was making was quite clear. You keep espousing views as if you are against this war and the suffering... but you also push Russian propaganda to justify the war... 

You know how people don't die in war? Don't start the war. Everything you argue here is to back Russia and to justify their war. Now you try to pretend like you don't like people dying. 

You know who is losing a lot more men than Ukraine is? Russia. 

 

 

I keep espousing the truth. All of it. I happen to think why and how this happened is important. When I consider that, I have to admit that all parties share blame for this sh1t.

And frankly...your accusations only signify a simple, 1 dimensional view. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I keep espousing the truth. All of it.

No, you ignore any truth that is inconvenient to your pro-Russia narrative. You outright fabricate things and insist on things that are not true and push Russian propaganda. 

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9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh I think both Russia and the USA played "nefarious" roles there. But over 90% voted for separation from Ukraine. Do you think Russia was able to force such results on the public? Perhaps you think the separatists forced the people to vote so overwhelmingly for separation? Pfft...please...

It happens all the time in autocratic regimes. 

 

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Tell ya what...you continue to push for WWIII over a NATO reject that has no real value to you, me or any of us.

 

This is the favourite argument by tankies. Notice how every time Russia warns the West or Ukraine about launching a counter-offensive against Russia, when push comes to shove, Russia always backs down. This goes back to the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. The Russians are well aware that United States alone would easily defeat them in a war, and it would likely be catastrophic for Russia. 

 

This is precisely why there has never, and will never be WWIII. 

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

And if that world war happens, you can watch humanity die at your feet but sooth the pain by telling yourself "Russia Bad". Ya...that'll be reasonable while your children are sent to die.

Never going to happen. Humans came to the realisation after dropping nuclear weapons on Japan, that WWIII would never occur. People have been going on about WWIII, and how it's going to "wipe us all out for 79 years.

 

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

I'll continue to argue for common fcking sense.

Common sense dictates that WWIII will not take place. 

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'll continue to provide information from independent news from celebrated and decorated Americans who in your view...simply must be traitors.

Douglas MacGregor is a traitor. He is also persona non-grata in the US military.  He is also 0 for 75 in "Ukraine is going to surrender next week" predictions, going back 37 months.

 

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2 hours ago, User said:

No, you ignore any truth that is inconvenient to your pro-Russia narrative. You outright fabricate things and insist on things that are not true and push Russian propaganda. 

Ok what's not true?

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20 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

It happens all the time in autocratic regimes. 

 

This is the favourite argument by tankies. Notice how every time Russia warns the West or Ukraine about launching a counter-offensive against Russia, when push comes to shove, Russia always backs down. This goes back to the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. The Russians are well aware that United States alone would easily defeat them in a war, and it would likely be catastrophic for Russia. 

 

This is precisely why there has never, and will never be WWIII. 

Never going to happen. Humans came to the realisation after dropping nuclear weapons on Japan, that WWIII would never occur. People have been going on about WWIII, and how it's going to "wipe us all out for 79 years.

 

Common sense dictates that WWIII will not take place. 

Douglas MacGregor is a traitor. He is also persona non-grata in the US military.  He is also 0 for 75 in "Ukraine is going to surrender next week" predictions, going back 37 months.

 

Lol...so naive. Quick! I heard Zelinsky wants you to jump off a cliff! Run! Find a cliff!

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5 hours ago, Aristides said:

France Germany and the UK say they are now OK with their weapons being used against military targets inside Russia.

I hope they target Moscow. When the war comes home to their backyards, the Russian people will turn on Putin.

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14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ok what's not true?

Yeah, lets pretend like we have not already had a lengthy discussion where I pointed out things like your attempts to claim there was some deal we agreed to never expand NATO. 

That is a complete fabrication on your part or ignorance in repeating something someone else said, when it turns out it was never an actual deal anyone ever committed to in any way. 

Yet you went off on America for being a bunch of, what did you say, back stabbers, among other things. 
 

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25 minutes ago, User said:

Yeah, lets pretend like we have not already had a lengthy discussion where I pointed out things like your attempts to claim there was some deal we agreed to never expand NATO. 

That is a complete fabrication on your part or ignorance in repeating something someone else said, when it turns out it was never an actual deal anyone ever committed to in any way. 

Yet you went off on America for being a bunch of, what did you say, back stabbers, among other things. 
 

Lets not.

It is documented for posterity that James Baker told the Russians that NATO would not expand toward Russia, during German re-unification negotiations.

This, added to the Bay of Tonkin, The Magic Bullet, "He's got 'em", the Biden family business, the lawfare being waged right now against one of their own, etc...etc...etc... So no...I have exactly zero faith and trust in the American government and frankly...nobody should at this point.

You wanna push for this nonsense in Ukraine to continue? Be my guest. I prefer to stand aside and learn what I can from ALL news sources, and make up my own mind depending on what my senses tell me and...of course...with the knowledge that the American government will lie and cheat with an assumed impunity that is obvious and sickening.

This is rather comical...

https://www.barrons.com/news/zelensky-presses-biden-to-attend-ukraine-peace-summit-a696239a

Wait...what were we saying about back-stabbing?

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10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

James Baker told the Russians that NATO would not expand toward Russia

So what?

That is not the final agreement Russia agreed to. That is not the final agreement that Bush agreed to. That is not the final agreement NATO agreed to. 

You tried to pass this off as some kind of formal agreement that the US backstabbed Russia on. That is the language of Putin. 

No such deal was ever formally agreed to by NATO or the US. Yet you tried to claim the US backstabbed Russia. 

Bush clearly said Baker was out of line and Baker himself admitted he was over his skis. 

There is nothing honest with how you have framed this or continue to try to frame it. You are literally pushing the same argument Putin is making, pushing his propaganda. 

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You wanna push for this nonsense in Ukraine to continue?

You are the one justifying it starting to begin with. Now, surprise surprise, you want Ukraine to quit. Is it any wonder when you push Putin propaganda, you justify the war, you side with Russia, you ignore the nefarious things Russia does, and now your idea of peace is Russia winning and Russia setting the terms for winning, and our bailing on Ukraine... oh gee, why would we ever accuse you of supporting Russia and Putin?! Its a real mystery. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Simple mindedness...

You are the one justifying it starting to begin with. Now, surprise surprise, you want Ukraine to quit. Is it any wonder when you push Putin propaganda, you justify the war, you side with Russia, you ignore the nefarious things Russia does, and now your idea of peace is Russia winning and Russia setting the terms for winning, and our bailing on Ukraine... 

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7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Simple mindedness...

Good one.  Yet another poster is slapping you around and proving you the fool, and the best response you can muster is to repeat the same dumb shit over and over again, and then retreat into limp one-liners.   🤣

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5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Good one.  Yet another poster is slapping you around and proving you the fool, and the best response you can muster is to repeat the same dumb shit over and over again, and then retreat into limp one-liners.   🤣

Hey how's that peace talks meeting of Zelinsky's coming along? Has Biden and Xi agreed to attend as yet?

Pfft...

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Just now, Nationalist said:

Hey how's that peace talks meeting of Zelinsky's coming along? Has Biden and Xi agreed to attend as yet?

I don't know.  Is Russia in Odessa yet?  Surely it's happening...soon...right?  🙄

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9 minutes ago, User said:

You are the one justifying it starting to begin with. Now, surprise surprise, you want Ukraine to quit. Is it any wonder when you push Putin propaganda, you justify the war, you side with Russia, you ignore the nefarious things Russia does, and now your idea of peace is Russia winning and Russia setting the terms for winning, and our bailing on Ukraine... 

YES! I want Ukraine to read the writing on the wall and negotiate peace.

I don't ignore anything. But none of that changes the facts.

Ukraine is falling apart. Zelinsky even knows this now as evidenced by his peace conference in June...which Biden and Xi don't seem to wanna attend and nobody from Russia has even been invited to.

Why do you want Ukraine to fight on? Does the death toll need to get higher for you? Do you think taking over Ukraine completely, will be easier if they are completely destroyed?

It sort of looks like that's what Biden's thinking now...or he'd be attending this peace conference.

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3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I don't know.  Is Russia in Odessa yet?  Surely it's happening...soon...right?

Nationalist was bragging about the big Russian offensive this month and how it was hopeless for Ukraine to counter as they were stretched thin. 

I must have missed the news... why isn't Russia in Kiev yet? 

I heard this may be one of the most bloody months of war for Russia yet as they threw their men into the meat grinder for paltry gains. 

 

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24 minutes ago, User said:

Nationalist was bragging about the big Russian offensive this month and how it was hopeless for Ukraine to counter as they were stretched thin. 

Nationalist is just a deluded, Tucker Carlson asslicker.  Most of what he's said on the topic of Ukraine has been right out of that charlatan's mouth.  

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34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

YES! I want Ukraine to read the writing on the wall and negotiate peace.

Your mad scribbling on the wall is just that... 

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I don't ignore anything. But none of that changes the facts.

Yes, you repeatedly ignore it every time I point out what nefarious things Russia has done. You repeatedly ignore the facts around the so-called "deal" you keep insisting we made to not expand NATO. 

 

49 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Why do you want Ukraine to fight on? Does the death toll need to get higher for you? Do you think taking over Ukraine completely, will be easier if they are completely destroyed?

I want to support Ukraine in their fight against Russia to the extent they can and are able to. Because I oppose Russian aggression like this. Evil dictators should be opposed. 

The question is... if you are so concerned about the loss of life, why do you continue to justify the war to begin with? 

 

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