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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Please - tell us all about how porn sites are going to use your picture to easily search the web and get your address, where you live and your relationships :)

1. Engines can do image searches.  

2.  AI can recognize faces. 
 

Can he put this grand mystery together?  😑

 

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19 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

1. Engines can do image searches.  

2.  AI can recognize faces.

And? They aren't going to be able to search the entire web for every person who signs up for their site, and if you're concerned about it don't post any personal information on any of your pictures.  If someone posts their name address etc on a picture of themselves on the web obviously they don't care who knows :) 

Having a picture wouldn't do you any good, and it certainly wouldn't give you the personal info of people.

So now you've got this whole conspiracy theory that businesses will illegally keep your picture and then spend the money and bandwith to search the entire internet hoping that somewhere you put your picture, name, address and other key information all in the same place where it's accessible by the general public so they can find it.

But your'e not worried that store video cameras can do the same thing in theory. Or that amazon has your credit card info and full name.

Sigh. When you grow up i'll explain how the internet works for you.

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Can he put this grand mystery together?  

The grand mystery is how you get your pants on in the morning with a brain as weak as that and no, i cannot figure it out.

But i love that you're still willing to double down on the stupid - keep going!  Tell us all about this grand conspiracy to illegally farm people's photos and then search the whole internet with software that finds EVERY PICTURE ON THE NET and then ai that takes the time to compare your pic with all of those to see if by some miracle you're dumb enough to post your pic and real name and address and other key info on the open web somewhere that has public access.  :)  

What the hell kind of porn are you watching that you think someone would go through that kind of trouble to find you?  LOLOL!!!

Let me guess -you're underage and you're worried pornhub is going to cut you off :)

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44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And? They aren't going to be able to search the entire web for every person who signs up for their site, and if you're concerned about it don't post any personal information on any of your pictures. 

Wrong dumb-dumb.  That's exactly the sort of thing an AI can already do, and someone could program it to happen automatically, with every single person who showed their face to the camera for porn sites.  

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If someone posts their name address etc on a picture of themselves on the web obviously they don't care who knows :) 

All they need is a face.  Once they have that, AI image recognition can find your ugly mug on any photo that might have ever been posted publicly online.  If you have a Linkedin profile, a facebook profile, twitter, insta, you name it.  All of that can be located and linked quickly by image recognition AI and search.  

Dumb dumb dumb.  

 

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34 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Wrong dumb-dumb.  That's exactly the sort of thing an AI can already do, and someone could program it to happen automatically, with every single person who showed their face to the camera for porn sites. 

Nope. That is not a thing. Sorry. On a small very limited scale, sure.  If we give it 10 thousand pictures of you then it can create images of you no problem. But search the entire internet for pictures of you and do it for thousands of people? Sorry.

34 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

All they need is a face.  Once they have that, AI image recognition can find your ugly mug on any photo that might have ever been posted publicly online.  If you have a Linkedin profile, a facebook profile, twitter, insta, you name it.  All of that can be located and linked quickly by image recognition AI and search.  

Nope.  not how it works.  Sorry kid.

Like i said, you've worked yourself into a frenzy again and now you're just talking stupid. LInkedin profiles don't have people's addresses and personal information.

So now you've got this imaginary company that you imagine will break the law no problem. using imaginary resources to do imaginary searches for data on linkedin that don't actually exist for anyone.  Because.... for fun?

But no problem giving your credit card to amazon.

And that seems pretty rational to  you.  :P  

Might as well get that hissy fit started :)  Not sure where you have left to go with this one :)  

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16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The title to this thread is a lie.  The CPC has never mentioned wanting to require digital ID to watch porn or anything else.

Hold a sec, read it thorough please, he said it would not require a digital ID, but would use for example physical IDs such as drivers licenses, health insurance cards or even means of payments such as a credit card to be able to access porn.

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21 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Hold a sec, read it thorough please, he said it would not require a digital ID, but would use for example physical IDs such as drivers licenses, health insurance cards or even means of payments such as a credit card to be able to access porn.

Where did PP say that?  You have a quote?

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2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Where did PP say that?  You have a quote?

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Bill S-210 passed in the Senate in the spring and New Democrats, Bloc Quebecois and Conservative MPs voted to send it to a House of Commons committee for study. No such meetings have been scheduled yet.

The proposed law would require websites to verify users' ages before they can access sexually explicit content, and it would penalize sites that don't comply.

But it does not specify how that would be done.

Options could include the use of a digital government ID, as some U.S. states have legislated, or services that can estimate age based on a scan of a person's face.

Please.... read... He supports the Bill, and supports to verify users' ages before they access porn.

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Controlling access to pornography is not the solution.  That actually promotes the idea that porn is ok by creating a process to be able to access it.  That is totally wrong.

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By far, the most searched-for terms on the internet are related to pornography. Pornography is rampant in the world today. Satan has succeeded in perverting God’s gift of sex perhaps more than any other of God’s good gifts. Satan has taken what is good and right (loving sex between a husband and wife) and replaced it with lust, pornography, and other sins. Pornography can be the first step on a slippery slope of sexual addiction and ungodly desires (see Romans 6:19). The addictive nature of pornography is well documented.


The three main categories of sin are the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (1 John 2:16). Pornography causes users to lust after the flesh, and it is undeniably a lust of the eyes. Viewing pornography is a sexual sin, but at its root it is a heart problem. Not only is it a gratification of lust, but it also reveals a desire for validation outside of God. Viewing porn distorts one's view of self, offers counterfeit satisfaction, misrepresents the value of the opposite sex, and perverts God’s good gift of sex. The negative impact pornography has on the brain, mental health, view of the opposite sex, emotional health, and the marriage relationship reveals the true nature of pornography. God alone can heal the heart affected by any hurt, trauma, or rejection. God alone can ultimately meet the desire to be fulfilled and validated, and only He can truly satisfy one's longings and desires.

Pornography does not qualify as one of the things we are to think about, according to Philippians 4:8. Pornography is addictive, and we are not to be mastered by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Lusting in the mind, which is the essence of pornography, is offensive to God (Matthew 5:28) and destructive (see Proverbs 6:25–28; Ephesians 4:19).

For those involved in pornography, God can and will give the victory to those who seek Him. Are you involved with pornography and desire freedom from it? Here are some steps to victory:

1. Confess your sin to God (1 John 1:9).

2. Ask God to cleanse, renew, and transform your mind (Romans 12:2).

3. Ask God to fill your mind with things that are true, honorable, just, pure, lovely, and commendable (Philippians 4:8)—and consume media that can be described that way.

4. Ask God to reveal the void in your heart you are trying to fill with pornography, and ask Him to help you find your satisfaction in Him (Psalm 16:11; 37:4).

5. Learn to possess your body in holiness (1 Thessalonians 4:3–4).

6. Understand the proper meaning of sex and rely on your spouse alone to meet that need (1 Corinthians 7:1–5).

7. Realize that, if you walk in the Spirit, you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Galatians 5:16).

8. Take practical steps to reduce your exposure to pornographic images. Install pornography blockers on your computer, limit television and video usage, and find another Christian who will pray for you and help keep you accountable.

You can find freedom from the bondage of pornography. God’s plan for your life, including His design for your sexuality, is far better than anything sin entices you with.
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What does the Bible say about pornography? | GotQuestions.org

Remember you need to take the first step before any of this has any meaning to you.  You need to believe in or accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Once you have done that, then following the steps will make sense.  Until then it won't make much sense.

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1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Hold a sec, read it thorough please, he said it would not require a digital ID, but would use for example physical IDs such as drivers licenses, health insurance cards or even means of payments such as a credit card to be able to access porn.

That's not what the law that's proposed says.

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1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Please.... read... He supports the Bill, and supports to verify users' ages before they access porn.

Please read the poster's question and the bill.

1 - pp did NOT say it would require a driver's license etc. 

2 - the bill itself does NOT say that.

Always check your facts.  The CPC doesn't care what the method is as long as it meets the criteria of being effective and not a violation of privacy AND as long as all data is destroyed once the verification is complete.

1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Yes it is.

Dude.  I would not have pegged you for a liar. Disappointing.

Unlike you i've read the bill. Please post the section that requires drivers licenses or physical id.

Go on.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Controlling access to pornography is not the solution.  That actually promotes the idea that porn is ok by creating a process to be able to access it.  That is totally wrong.

There goes the Christian vote.

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12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope. That is not a thing. Sorry. On a small very limited scale, sure.  If we give it 10 thousand pictures of you then it can create images of you no problem. But search the entire internet for pictures of you and do it for thousands of people? Sorry.

That's the beauty of computers and AI, genius. Scale doesn't matter anymore.  A search engine can scour through billions of images in mere moments.  

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23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Please read the poster's question and the bill.

1 - pp did NOT say it would require a driver's license etc. 

2 - the bill itself does NOT say that.

Always check your facts.  The CPC doesn't care what the method is as long as it meets the criteria of being effective and not a violation of privacy AND as long as all data is destroyed once the verification is complete.

Dude.  I would not have pegged you for a liar. Disappointing.

Unlike you i've read the bill. Please post the section that requires drivers licenses or physical id.

Go on.

Dude, even PornHub says that if the Bill passes, they would block access to Canada.

It's clear like mineral water that the system of self-reporting your age on porn websites is not going to be enough. They will enforce this law with IDs, just like for example in Louisiana.
 

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The company that owns Pornhub recently told The Canadian Press that blocking access to Canadians is among options it would consider if the Senate bill passes.

Similar laws requiring internet porn sites to verify a user's age have been passed in several U.S states. After Louisiana required that a government ID be used to access Pornhub, traffic took a nosedive.

The company is fighting the bill and argues any regulations that require sites to collect significant amounts of highly sensitive personal information will put user safety in jeopardy.

An executive with Ethical Capital Partners, which owns Pornhub's parent company, Aylo, said it would prefer an approach that would verify a user's age through a device, such as their smart phone.

 

Part of the Bill;

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Defence — age verification

6(1)It is not a defence to a charge under section 5 that the organization believed that the young person referred to in that section was at least 18 years of age unless the organization implemented a prescribed age-verification method to limit access to the sexually explicit material made available for commercial purposes to individuals who are at least 18 years of age.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

That's the beauty of computers and AI, genius. Scale doesn't matter anymore.  A search engine can scour through billions of images in mere moments.  

ROFLMAO!!!!! It really really does :)

At this point even the flat-earther's are looking at you thinking "conspiracy theories much?" :)

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1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Dude, even PornHub says that if the Bill passes, they would block access to Canada.

 

And? What does that have to do with requiring physical id?

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It's clear like mineral water that the system of self-reporting your age on porn websites is not going to be enough. They will enforce this law with IDs, just like for example in Louisiana.

Or something else - like AI that can verify age from your image, which has been discussed.
 

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Part of the Bill;

It does NOT say anything about physical id.  Does it.  Which you claimed it does.

In fact - the bill states that it will consider ANY method that meets it's criteria of being reliable while being respectful of people's privacy and security . And that all information gathered in the process must be immediately destroyed and not retained.

There are many simple and mostly effective ways to do this.

Again - you need to be accurate with your facts. What you posted was wrong.  Even if i had not read the bill (which i had) i would have known your statement was full of shit because they NEVER put the requirements in the act, they always use the act as enabling legislation for regulations which will be published later because it's very easy to change regulation and very hard to adjust the actual act.

So anyone who knows anything would immediately dismiss you as not being honest. Check your facts before you claim something or don't be making a claim.

it's very possible that physical id will be one of the accepted methods, it's unlikely it'll be the only one, and honestly i doubt the requirements will be all that strict. They just want to make it challenging for kids to surf into porn sites.

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

it's very possible that physical id will be one of the accepted methods, it's unlikely it'll be the only one, and honestly i doubt the requirements will be all that strict. They just want to make it challenging for kids to surf into porn sites.

So you wrote all your paragraphs to end with this one. Ok then...

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3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO!!!!! It really really does :)

At this point even the flat-earther's are looking at you thinking "conspiracy theories much?" :)

No, it really, really doesn't.  🤣

The tools already exist, and a search engine can comb through and compare images from databases of billions of images in seconds.  Basic off-the-shelf software exists today that only costs $25-30/m and can match images of people from copy/pasted photo captures from all over the internet.

That's just the small scale stuff that's been released, nevermind the tools that Google and Meta have developed but refused to release because of privacy concerns.  

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/11/1204822946/facial-recognition-search-engine-ai-pim-eyes-google

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.  

 

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5 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

So you wrote all your paragraphs to end with this one. Ok then...

Yes. That one is truthful.  It MAY include an option for physical id. Probably won't be the only option at all.  It is NOT required by law which is what you said.

And you doubled down saying the legislation itself spelled that out. You clearly had not read the legislation at that point.

Don't get mad at me because YOU chose to be a dishonest little twit and now you're butthurt that someone pointed it out. I'd say your credibility has taken enough of a hit already. Next time be honest and don't try to make your point with a lie. If you have to lie to make your point it's probably not a very good point.

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8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yes. That one is truthful.  It MAY include an option for physical id. Probably won't be the only option at all.  It is NOT required by law which is what you said.

And you doubled down saying the legislation itself spelled that out. You clearly had not read the legislation at that point.

Don't get mad at me because YOU chose to be a dishonest little twit and now you're butthurt that someone pointed it out. I'd say your credibility has taken enough of a hit already. Next time be honest and don't try to make your point with a lie. If you have to lie to make your point it's probably not a very good point.

The point is, there will be at some point verification, an ID of some sort. Poilievre said no to the digital ID, so it opens the door to what, do you believe?

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Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Hard to believe that you got this concession..

well a leftie such as yourself would think of stating the truth as a 'concession', but it's actually just stating the truth :)

The law does not require physical id as he said.  one day the regulation may allow that to be an option, but that is not the same thing.

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Just now, CdnFox said:

 

Just now, CdnFox said:

The law does not require physical id as he said.  one day the regulation may allow that to be an option, but that is not the same thing.

Not just sure what this nutty saber dance that you're dealing is. The fact is, censoring content or making it more difficult to access is something conservatives have been on Trudeau for, for a long time.

It seems to be what the conservative leader's planning to do, but rather than just acknowledge it, you have to pull your own teeth out to prove some Byzantine point...

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Just now, QuebecOverCanada said:

The point is, there will be some point of verification, an ID of some sort. Poilievre said no to the digital ID, so it opens the door to what, do you believe?

As i said there are a number of options many of which are in use today.

For example some places use social media accounts as verification, just as many many people 'log in with google' right now to various websites.

You may well get third party apps or groups doing the verification, they already exist  so you go set up your porn hub account and then it says 'verify code 123456 with e-verify", you enter that into your everify app and boom you're done.  Everify doesn't know who it just sent the verification to per se, and porn hub got no personal infomation from you at all.

I log into my back account with face id on my phone as it is now. So that's an option.  There is also AI that guesses people's age with pretty reasonable accuracy - turn your camera on, let it look at you, boom you're done. No permanent picture or record.

This kind of thing is already required for many things in many places,  for example you can order booze on line in the states but you have to verify your age. This is  not a new idea and there's lots of ways to deal with it.  And you can bet that there will be more and more over time

So how these laws work is the law gets passed - then there will be a 'coming into force' time period. Probably a year or two.  During that time they'll consult with the industry and experts and find solutions that work and make those options part of the regulations and then give companies time to get it all set up.

This is really not an issue.

 

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4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:


Not just sure what this nutty saber dance that you're dealing is.

Well you're not terribly bright. - especially when it suits your agenda to 'not get it'.

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The fact is, censoring content or making it more difficult to access is something conservatives have been on Trudeau for, for a long time.

The fact is this isn't censoring. Nobody's saying they can't post their porn.  And making things more difficult for children to access has been something that traditionally ALL parties have been on board with. Do you think we should allow kids to buy smokes and booze? Or is that repressive? Give your head a shake.

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It seems to be what the conservative leader's planning to do, but rather than just acknowledge it, you have to pull your own teeth out to prove some Byzantine point...

So this would be your usual 'defleciton' technique.  You can't argue the point i'm making so you pretend to argue another point.  Probably very effective in kindergarten.  This isnt' kindergarten.

My point was that the law does not require physical id - which is what the poster claimed.  And i'm 100 percent right.

Your NEW argument seems to be that somehow the conservatives are betraying their values by not allowing 7 year olds to watch 3 way tranny porn on redtube unhindered.  Do you need me to explain in detail why that's a dumb argument? Or can you work that out yourself.

Making decisions for adults and limiting their choice is wrong.  Requiring proof of age to help restrict age-sensitive items or content has been a part of Canadian life for over 100 years and has always been accepted.

This bill very clearly makes it necessary to ensure that whatever methods are allowed they're not invasive, no data is kept, and it's reasonable.

The idea that it's anti-conservative to say children shouldn't have open access to porn is just dumb.

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