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https://www.axios.com/2023/04/07/population-change-pandemic

 

It uses Census data so if you have an issue with that.. feel free to provide a better source for population data. As for what the map says... it says that folks are not moving to the Midwest. They prefer milder weather hence why they are moving to ID, UT, NV, FL, and TX. I predict that the population growth in TX and NV is going to slow just because of home prices coming up. The reason that they move to NV and TX is to avoid personal income tax and relatively low home prices. Take away the lower home prices and the savings are little if none.

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FOLKS, please don't believe this.

Florida is the SLOWEST growing state on the planet. This place is a HELL HOLE, and NO enlightened soul from a blue state should lower himself/herself/whatever fugging gender "self" and move here.

The economy sucks. You have to have a job to survive.

The weather sucks. Hurricanes every other week.

It's too far a drive from everything.

Mosquitoes the size of eagles routinely carry children away faster than Planned Parenthood can kill them.

And SCHOOLS here are unnecessarily cruel and unreasonable. The poor children actually have to LEARN what is being taught, and the subjects are those very boring academic screeds: Math, history, geographic, science, civics, art, music.

It's almost IMPOSSIBLE to find a decent Lesbian Dance Theory class in ANY of Florida's inferior schools.

Blue staters, STAY AWAY FROM FLORIDA. You'll HATE it.

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On 10/31/2023 at 4:52 PM, impartialobserver said:

Every state that sees population growth has locals that want the new people to stay out. With population growth comes a different way of being. Its inevitable no matter the politics of the place before hand. My hometown, Boise, is not the quaint, small town it used to be. 

A lot of extreme blue states have a unique population stasis. Every time a child is born, a guy moves out.

 

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4 hours ago, reason10 said:

A lot of extreme blue states have a unique population stasis. Every time a child is born, a guy moves out.

 

its not quite that cut and dry. Typically those who move from CA, OR, and WA are the middle aged AND middle income. There reason (at least according to survey data) is high cost of living not politics. They could handle the liberal politics if the cost of housing, vehicle registration, and owning a small business were less. 

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On 11/15/2023 at 8:35 PM, impartialobserver said:

its not quite that cut and dry. Typically those who move from CA, OR, and WA are the middle aged AND middle income. There reason (at least according to survey data) is high cost of living not politics. They could handle the liberal politics if the cost of housing, vehicle registration, and owning a small business were less. 

A Catch 22. Liberal politics CAUSE high costs of housing, vehicle registration and owning a small business.

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On 12/16/2023 at 9:43 PM, reason10 said:

A Catch 22. Liberal politics CAUSE high costs of housing, vehicle registration and owning a small business.

The high cost of housing is mostly due to the terrain and limited supply. The demand for housing near the water in San Fran far, far exceeds the supply. Therefore drives the price up. The same is true in LA and SD near the ocean. That drives folks out inland into the suburbs where prices are not quite as high.

 

Do you ever consider that high tech jobs are different? Just think about for a second. If you work in a furniture factory.. you have to bring the inputs to you. Second, you can only produce so many tables and then have to export them back out. If you write software, you only have to make it once. After that, you duplicate it over and over again. You may have to update it but that is minimal. I know all about this.. this is what I do. I create scripts that retrieve this data, scramble it around, do calculations to this column, and so on. The first writing of the script can take weeks or months. Therefore, you can pay one person in software development a ton of money because their end product can be duplicated easily with no need for further inputs. Where do they live? San Jose and San Francisco.. places with limited land due to being next to the ocean and having serious mountains to the east. Now put it together.. high salaries, high demand for land, and limited supply.. that equals high prices in certain areas. 

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1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

The high cost of housing is mostly due to the terrain and limited supply. The demand for housing near the water in San Fran far, far exceeds the supply. Therefore drives the price up. The same is true in LA and SD near the ocean. That drives folks out inland into the suburbs where prices are not quite as high.

 

Do you ever consider that high tech jobs are different? Just think about for a second. If you work in a furniture factory.. you have to bring the inputs to you. Second, you can only produce so many tables and then have to export them back out. If you write software, you only have to make it once. After that, you duplicate it over and over again. You may have to update it but that is minimal. I know all about this.. this is what I do. I create scripts that retrieve this data, scramble it around, do calculations to this column, and so on. The first writing of the script can take weeks or months. Therefore, you can pay one person in software development a ton of money because their end product can be duplicated easily with no need for further inputs. Where do they live? San Jose and San Francisco.. places with limited land due to being next to the ocean and having serious mountains to the east. Now put it together.. high salaries, high demand for land, and limited supply.. that equals high prices in certain areas. 

Irrelevant. The highest cost of living is in liberal blue states. And it is liberal policies that cause them. Florida has the best and most expanding economy in the country. And we have a LOT of ocean front property. And our cost of living is WAY below blue states.

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2 hours ago, reason10 said:

Irrelevant. The highest cost of living is in liberal blue states. And it is liberal policies that cause them. Florida has the best and most expanding economy in the country. And we have a LOT of ocean front property. And our cost of living is WAY below blue states.

You have coast line in Florida but do you have mountain just opposite of this? No. the highest point in FL is only 345 feet. In SF, you can be above 345 in minutes. This shows that you have never been there, know nothing, but yet pretend to be an expert. 

Can you give data to back up this claim of "best economy in the country".. No articles.. only actual raw data such as a table or chart with no opinions or summarizing. 

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On 1/4/2024 at 3:25 PM, impartialobserver said:

You have coast line in Florida but do you have mountain just opposite of this? No. the highest point in FL is only 345 feet. In SF, you can be above 345 in minutes. This shows that you have never been there, know nothing, but yet pretend to be an expert. 

Can you give data to back up this claim of "best economy in the country".. No articles.. only actual raw data such as a table or chart with no opinions or summarizing. 

Who give's a rat's ass? Nobody from Florida is moving to CaliFAGula because our taxes are too high and our crime rate is too high.

But by all means, continue to tout CaliFAG's great economy. Just so long as those idi0ts STAY there and not move to red states, we'll be happy.

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On 1/7/2024 at 8:21 AM, reason10 said:

Who give's a rat's ass? Nobody from Florida is moving to CaliFAGula because our taxes are too high and our crime rate is too high.

But by all means, continue to tout CaliFAG's great economy. Just so long as those idi0ts STAY there and not move to red states, we'll be happy.

Like a typical blowhard internet forum poster.. you have no objective data and therefore no metrics to back up your assertions. In SF.. the high cost of living is due to relatively low supply of available land. The terrain is very mountainous and therefore difficult to build upon. Florida has zero mountains. Second, it is surrounded by ocean on 3 sides. Hmm.. but one can build houses out in the ocean.. right? Finally, the high cost of living is highly influenced by the relatively high incomes. Like it or not.. the high tech industry (of which you use) pays very well and is largely based in SF and San Jose. That is a simple statement of fact.. like it or not. 

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On 10/26/2023 at 9:48 AM, impartialobserver said:

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/07/population-change-pandemic

 

It uses Census data so if you have an issue with that.. feel free to provide a better source for population data. As for what the map says... it says that folks are not moving to the Midwest. They prefer milder weather hence why they are moving to ID, UT, NV, FL, and TX. I predict that the population growth in TX and NV is going to slow just because of home prices coming up. The reason that they move to NV and TX is to avoid personal income tax and relatively low home prices. Take away the lower home prices and the savings are little if none.

It feels based on your initial comments that you were thinking some people might dispute this for some reason....  is this a contentious issue in the states or something?

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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It feels based on your initial comments that you were thinking some people might dispute this for some reason....  is this a contentious issue in the states or something?

When folks talk about population growth.. they almost say it is due to the politics. They are fleeing CA only because of its liberal policies. They are moving to TX only due to its Republican majority and so on. The point is that it is mostly due to cost of living. As the population of a place goes up.. so does its cost of living. My home state, Idaho, has seen its housing costs jump considerably. What has happened.. the population growth has slowed way down. That can't be.. can it?

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2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

When folks talk about population growth.. they almost say it is due to the politics. They are fleeing CA only because of its liberal policies. They are moving to TX only due to its Republican majority and so on. The point is that it is mostly due to cost of living. As the population of a place goes up.. so does its cost of living. My home state, Idaho, has seen its housing costs jump considerably. What has happened.. the population growth has slowed way down. That can't be.. can it?

Ok -  frankly it wouldn't have occurred to me that it would be anything other than cost of living/opportunity/quality of life issues.  But i can see how some would tie that to politics sort of. The idea that taxes are substantially higher in left wing states or something.

It's not really a thing here. I've heard someone say they're moving to alberta from ontario because they're sick of the politics or something but it's almost always something else.  I don't think we think of it like that up here the same way, people move en masse to alberta because of the huge pay opportunities and lower cost of living, not because it's a right wing province.

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31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ok -  frankly it wouldn't have occurred to me that it would be anything other than cost of living/opportunity/quality of life issues.  But i can see how some would tie that to politics sort of. The idea that taxes are substantially higher in left wing states or something.

It's not really a thing here. I've heard someone say they're moving to alberta from ontario because they're sick of the politics or something but it's almost always something else.  I don't think we think of it like that up here the same way, people move en masse to alberta because of the huge pay opportunities and lower cost of living, not because it's a right wing province.

Most are too biased to admit this but even the most liberal areas were once sparsely populated and therefore very Conservative. LA was middle of nowhere prior to 1876 when the railroad was completed. The central valley and the mojave desert are not something that you would choose to venture into willingly without modern transportation. What we now call Fresno has daytime highs of 115 degrees in the summer and prior to modern civilization coming, was largely arid and treeless. However, with the advent of irrigation, the Colorado River Aqueduct, Owens Valley Project.. the place filled up and went from low cost but sparse nothingness to expensive but highly populated metros. The environmental regulations are bound to happen when you fill a once arid, desolate place with limited water with 15 to 20 million people which bring with them roads, cars, water treatment plants, power plants, power lines, etc. 

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3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Most are too biased to admit this but even the most liberal areas were once sparsely populated and therefore very Conservative. LA was middle of nowhere prior to 1876 when the railroad was completed. The central valley and the mojave desert are not something that you would choose to venture into willingly without modern transportation. What we now call Fresno has daytime highs of 115 degrees in the summer and prior to modern civilization coming, was largely arid and treeless. However, with the advent of irrigation, the Colorado River Aqueduct, Owens Valley Project.. the place filled up and went from low cost but sparse nothingness to expensive but highly populated metros. The environmental regulations are bound to happen when you fill a once arid, desolate place with limited water with 15 to 20 million people which bring with them roads, cars, water treatment plants, power plants, power lines, etc. 

well now i totally wish i'd bought property there in 1876  :) 

Most of canada is still so sparesly populated that we just don't experience that much. Maybe a little in ontario.  I mean - there's about the same number of people living in California as there is in all of canada, so it does make sense.

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

well now i totally wish i'd bought property there in 1876  :) 

Most of canada is still so sparesly populated that we just don't experience that much. Maybe a little in ontario.  I mean - there's about the same number of people living in California as there is in all of canada, so it does make sense.

it is interesting and a bit sad how once sparsely populated places like Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Utah, and even gasp! North Dakota are filling up. Obviously plenty of open space but places like Boise, Reno, Bend, Spokane were small-ish (100K at most) and fairly behind the times. now they are growing quickly and becoming gentrified mostly due to the CA public sector retiree and all that comes with them. 

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In the past 4 weeks have been to Boise, Salt Lake City, and Bend OR. All places that were lightly populated in the 80's and are now booming mid-size cities or bigger. It is both interesting and somewhat sad how once quaint smallish places are now bustling metropolises with all of the big city problems. The locals blame them damn Californians but you would not have this problem if you did not open the door. With population comes liberal politics most of the time. 

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2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

In the past 4 weeks have been to Boise, Salt Lake City, and Bend OR. All places that were lightly populated in the 80's and are now booming mid-size cities or bigger. It is both interesting and somewhat sad how once quaint smallish places are not bustling metropolises with all of the big city problems. The locals blame them damn Californians but you would not have this problem if you did not open the door. With population comes liberal politics most of the time. 

Well i have to admit a while back i left the very heavily populated 'big city' in favour of a more rural 'small town' environment that was close by.  there's a lot of appeal to it.

ANd yes as any area grows you tend to get more liberal politics. Which is why we've all trained our dogs to bite realtors on sight :)

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18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well i have to admit a while back i left the very heavily populated 'big city' in favour of a more rural 'small town' environment that was close by.  there's a lot of appeal to it.

ANd yes as any area grows you tend to get more liberal politics. Which is why we've all trained our dogs to bite realtors on sight :)

My theory as to why places get liberal as they grow in population is that as places get bigger.. the economic divide becomes more apparent. It may have always been there when it was smaller but small towns are where everyone knows everybody and so you have to keep up appearances. Places get bigger and you lose that, for better or for worse. I have four sets of neighbors and have never laid eyes on two of them. The other two, I see maybe once every 4 months. As it becomes more apparent that you have affluent parts of town and not so affluent, some start to think, "there has to be something that we can do to help those poor areas". That is the start of the liberal politics. 

Spent summers near Salmon, Idaho. When I went in town.. I came to discover that most of the folks were fairly poor. They were all on the same economic footing. It makes sense why they have less crime. Why steal from Joe when Joe does not have more or better stuff than me? Also, Joe will know who stole it so not much chance of getting away with it. 

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I suppose that could be the case.

I personally believe it has more to do with the employment of the population and the provision of services. In a larger metro area more services have to be provided by the gov't and people do less themselves.  In addition there are more people employed in trades more likely to be pro liberal or pro union in their outlook. there's a larger number of teachers in the city, the unions all have their head offices there, etc etc.  So there's more likelyhood of those groups agressively spreading a pro liberal message than you'd find in a more rurral setting

And while i agree with the neighbour thing 100 percent it's ALSO true that your neighbour's behavior is more likely to affect you.  So people tend to become much more accepting of laws and such that dictate other people's behavior.

Whatever the reason - it can be seen often enough and consistent enough that we can say SOMETHING causes it.

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5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I suppose that could be the case.

I personally believe it has more to do with the employment of the population and the provision of services. In a larger metro area more services have to be provided by the gov't and people do less themselves.  In addition there are more people employed in trades more likely to be pro liberal or pro union in their outlook. there's a larger number of teachers in the city, the unions all have their head offices there, etc etc.  So there's more likelyhood of those groups agressively spreading a pro liberal message than you'd find in a more rurral setting

And while i agree with the neighbour thing 100 percent it's ALSO true that your neighbour's behavior is more likely to affect you.  So people tend to become much more accepting of laws and such that dictate other people's behavior.

Whatever the reason - it can be seen often enough and consistent enough that we can say SOMETHING causes it.

My hometown, Boise, was die hard Conservative until about 2005. Yes, ada County, went for Trump in 2020 but only by a margin of 4%. In the 90's, this would have been 15 to 20%. As its population continues to grow.. it will go blue. Growing up, there was no rich part of town. Most neighborhoods were very working class. Lower middle income with every neighborhood looking roughly the same. Upon my last visit (April 5, 2024).. there is a definite difference between neighborhoods. Some are very affluent and some are very poor. As for the mix of jobs, that has undergone a major change. The big employers in the 80's were manufacturing and government. Now, it is health care and high tech with service based items such as insurance, call centers, and warehousing coming in second. 

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On 1/4/2024 at 3:25 PM, impartialobserver said:

You have coast line in Florida but do you have mountain just opposite of this? No. the highest point in FL is only 345 feet. In SF, you can be above 345 in minutes. This shows that you have never been there, know nothing, but yet pretend to be an expert. 

Can you give data to back up this claim of "best economy in the country".. No articles.. only actual raw data such as a table or chart with no opinions or summarizing. 

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/florida/2023/07/15/report-florida-ranks-as-best-state-economy-in-the-us/

EPORT: Florida ranks as best state economy in the U.S.

https://www.flgov.com/2024/03/11/floridas-economy-continues-to-outpace-the-nation-in-2024/

Florida

’s Economy Continues to Outpace the Nation in 2024

https://myq105.com/2023/08/02/florida-has-the-best-economy-in-america-heres-why/

Florida Has the Best Economy in America – Here’s Why

https://floridajobs.org/news-center/DEO-Press/2023/10/23/florida-ranks-1-in-the-nation-for-entrepreneurship

Florida Ranks #1 in the Nation for Entrepreneurship

https://www.wjhg.com/2022/07/06/florida-surpasses-nation-economic-growth/

Florida surpasses nation in economic growth

The Department of Financial Services outlined how Florida's economic growth has outpaced the...
 
A lot of different and diverse sources pretty much say the same thing. There are some others that put Florida close to the top, over most blue states.
 
One single chart? Any idi0t can make a chart. I prefer consulting more than one diverse source.

 

 

 

 

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