What would it take to restore and maintain rules-based order in the world?

[myata]

Hamas attack on Israel today shows that the example of blatant force is spreading quickly in the less developed and more authoritarian parts of the world. The blueprint is very similar. The results, devastating. And with West in a state of uncertainty, it may not take long to see quite a different world emerging around us. The world in which a brutal aggression can be executed with complete impunity, with the right connections. Where rules and justice have no meaning. Where anyone can be attacked anywhere and any time. Where nukes are shared and spread among the dictators with no consequences or controls. The sense of self-admiration and extreme reluctance for bold and energetic decisions can be a risky position in this potential future.

What would it take to prevent it? Some thoughts.

1. Utter and complete defeat of Putin's aggression.

Far more than an isolated episode, this is a) a claim to end the rules based order established after WWII; b) an invitation for aggressors and tyrants to join the Axis and rule with no limits; and c) a blueprint to follow. Short of defeating it, the dark future cannot be prevented.

2. Establishing strict and enforceable control over nukes.

Dictator thugs cannot have it. That understanding has to come to enforceable policy supported and executed by all responsible members of the world community.

Russia and North Korea are first, obviously. Without it, dark nuke infested future cannot be prevented.

3. Establishing effective and enforceable mechanisms of resolution of legitimate disputes and prevention of armed conflict.

The response to unprovoked use of arms, aggression and invasion has to be quick, effective and severe. Thugs must know and see the consequences and the instruction by experience has to continue until it settled into their minds that aggression as absolutely the worst course of action for them.

4. Opening up international mechanisms of security to all countries that value and implement democracy.

Failure to do so may edge some countries to build associations with the Axis in hopes of gaining at least some security. It won't help them, in the long run. And it can ruin the foundation of trust and force for collective security.

These are just some thoughts.

[eyeball]

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What would it take to restore and maintain rules-based order in the world?

Advanced benevolent aliens from another planet.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Advanced benevolent aliens from another planet.

We'd probably just find a way to kill them.

[myata]

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

We'd probably just find a way to kill them.

Ohoh.

[August1991]

In Vienna in 1815, the Europeans created a structure of peace.

In 1918 in Versailles, they thought that they had done the same as Vienna (very foolish book - it changed nothing).

In Yalta and Potsdam in 1945, the world changed - and we created a structure of peace.

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Call me foolish but I have seen with my own eyes where this happened: Yalta and Potsdam.

  

[August1991]

I prefer Pierre Trudeau's view of life:

Create counter-weights.  

[athos]

On 10/8/2023 at 8:04 AM, myata said:

Hamas attack on Israel today shows that the example of blatant force is spreading quickly in the less developed and more authoritarian parts of the world. The blueprint is very similar. The results, devastating. And with West in a state of uncertainty, it may not take long to see quite a different world emerging around us. The world in which a brutal aggression can be executed with complete impunity, with the right connections. Where rules and justice have no meaning. Where anyone can be attacked anywhere and any time. Where nukes are shared and spread among the dictators with no consequences or controls. The sense of self-admiration and extreme reluctance for bold and energetic decisions can be a risky position in this potential future.

What would it take to prevent it? Some thoughts.

1. Utter and complete defeat of Putin's aggression.

Far more than an isolated episode, this is a) a claim to end the rules based order established after WWII; b) an invitation for aggressors and tyrants to join the Axis and rule with no limits; and c) a blueprint to follow. Short of defeating it, the dark future cannot be prevented.

2. Establishing strict and enforceable control over nukes.

Dictator thugs cannot have it. That understanding has to come to enforceable policy supported and executed by all responsible members of the world community.

Russia and North Korea are first, obviously. Without it, dark nuke infested future cannot be prevented.

3. Establishing effective and enforceable mechanisms of resolution of legitimate disputes and prevention of armed conflict.

The response to unprovoked use of arms, aggression and invasion has to be quick, effective and severe. Thugs must know and see the consequences and the instruction by experience has to continue until it settled into their minds that aggression as absolutely the worst course of action for them.

4. Opening up international mechanisms of security to all countries that value and implement democracy.

Failure to do so may edge some countries to build associations with the Axis in hopes of gaining at least some security. It won't help them, in the long run. And it can ruin the foundation of trust and force for collective security.

These are just some thoughts.

Pathetic ideological globalist propaganda without substance and no brains. Not worth commenting on.

Do you happen to be related to Soros or Klaus Schwab?

[myata]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

and we created a structure of peace.

Like these day's "peace"? How many moons do you see in your sky?

Possibility of "peace" with tyrants and dictators used to be a naive fantasy. But it was a long time ago. These days the only correct words are: a) a lie or b) stupidity. Because the moment you show them a weakness they come back straight at you. And nothing written or communicated in any human language has any meaning to them.

Edited October 9, 2023 by myata

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

I prefer Pierre Trudeau's view of life:

Create counter-weights.  

Not even sure what that means, "counter weights" when has Canada created a counter weight of any sorts...

[Nationalist]

Europe could start by dissolving that fcking fascist EU.