Douglas Murray: Canada's descent into ignorance shocks the world An unbearable stupidity has trickled down from the Liberal government

[CdnFox]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/douglas-murray-canadas-descent-into-ignorance-shocks-the-world

Perhaps I should say straight away that I love Canada. Some of my best friends are Canadian. That minimal throat-clearing aside, let me say — as a friendly outsider — that Canada today looks like a nation of ignoramuses.

What makes this worse is that this all comes after a period in which Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been perfectly happy to call decent, ordinary Canadians Nazis. To use measures like the de-banking of his critics in moves that have horrified most of the other democracies in the West. When a bank in my country of birth — Britain — was recently found to have de-banked a politician (Nigel Farage) for what turned out to be political reasons not only did the head of the bank resign, but politicians in Britain from across the political system condemned the bank. Such moves are unlikely to be taken by another bank in Britain again. But in Canada it seems to be perfectly acceptable, because at any time the Canadian prime minister and deputy prime minister can claim that their critics are homophobes, xenophobes, racists, Nazis, misogynists and all of the rest.

[CdnFox]

This is how the world sees us now.  This is what we've become.  Our reputation on the world stage may not fully recover for decades.

The liberals have destroyed the once great beacon on the world stage that was Canada. A country that many others looked to as an example of how to do it right. Now we're just a laughing stock. 

It's a little hard not to be bitter at liberal supporters.

[Moonlight Graham]

I don't understand why you call yourself "an outsider" but also refer to Canada/Canadians in the first person (us, we).

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't understand why you call yourself "an outsider" but also refer to Canada/Canadians in the first person (us, we).

Are you talking about the columnist? Douglas Murray is British.

[suds]

When identity politics and ideology rules over common sense, stupidity and intolerance sets in. At this point you lose all concepts of right and wrong, and basic rights and freedoms come under attack. Where I disagree with Murray is that in most of these respects it's the US who led the way and to our discredit we only emulated them. Hopefully we can set things straight and demand our governments put country first and not the other way around.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, suds said:

we only emulated them

Poorly.

You still have freedom of speech in the US.

One can still firmly challenge US politicians, and not be canceled.

One can still publicly question trans and gender ideology.

Canada took what they did, and used it to suppress speech.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Poorly.

You still have freedom of speech in the US.

One can still firmly challenge US politicians, and not be canceled.

One can still publicly question trans and gender ideology.

For now, but not online except in a few small corners of free speech like this site.

[suds]

22 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Poorly.

You still have freedom of speech in the US.

One can still firmly challenge US politicians, and not be canceled.

One can still publicly question trans and gender ideology.

Canada took what they did, and used it to suppress speech.

I would agree with that, but only on account the US has a 1st amendment while our freedoms of speech and expression are subject to 'reasonable limits'.  But consider this....an unprompted Nanos poll came out in March 2022 on national issues that concern Canadians the most. Free speech and freedom came 2nd in the poll at 8.3% behind coronavirus (13.1%) and ahead of the environment (7.5%). Up until then, free speech and freedom was hardly ever mentioned as a concern and was largely attributed to recent freedoms infringed upon by the pandemic and with the freedom convoy. Most movements that make their way to Canada begin in the US in one form or another. The removal or debasement of historical artifacts and figures began in the US with the removal of a single confederate flag way back when. Same with the MeToo movement, both of which played a main part with this cancel culture phenomenon. The same with the 'defund the police' movement (which never quite caught on here) and the Biden administration declaring Trump supporters as enemies of the state. So now we're doing the same debasing and tearing down with the statues and artifacts and Trudeau declaring the truckers as nazis and fascists (not to mention those who refused to get vaccinated). In my opinion what changed things was the freedom convoy. Even if one was against the convoy or approved of the use of the Emergencies Act many must have felt that freedoms were being lost that day. It also grabbed the world's attention.

Edited October 5, 2023 by suds

[OftenWrong]

On 10/4/2023 at 5:40 PM, I am Groot said:

For now, but not online except in a few small corners of free speech like this site.

Been thinking about that. This site. What would we do without it?

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Been thinking about that. This site. What would we do without it?

Conform? I guess?

[OftenWrong]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Conform? I guess?

We'd all be a lot dumber, too.

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

We'd all be a lot dumber, too.

A good hunk of us would be a lot dumber. Some would be about the same  

[Dougie93]

On 10/5/2023 at 2:27 PM, suds said:

 while our freedoms of speech and expression are subject to 'reasonable limits'. 

this is inherent to Canada being ruled by the British Crown

the principle originates in an Anglo-Saxon law called the King's / Queen's Peace

[Dougie93]

15 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

We'd all be a lot dumber, too.

I wouldn't say Canadians are dumb

what Canadians are is ignorant of history

Canadians don't understand their own history

Canadians do not glean the central narrative of Canada anymore

and this has been a deliberate campaign of erasing Canadian history on the part of the Liberals

because a people without a history are easy to control

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 10/3/2023 at 9:56 PM, CdnFox said:

This is how the world sees us now.  This is what we've become.  Our reputation on the world stage may not fully recover for decades.

The liberals have destroyed the once great beacon on the world stage that was Canada. A country that many others looked to as an example of how to do it right. Now we're just a laughing stock. 

It's a little hard not to be bitter at liberal supporters.

The opinion of some obscure British right-winger is hardly the world. What should we think of a country that wasted years on a hare-brained project like Brexit?

BTW you’d be better off putting that quoted stuff from Murray in a format with quotes that clearly indicates where it comes from. It may be obvious to most people here but I need all the guidance I can get to show me who is talking. 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The opinion of some obscure British right-winger is hardly the world.

 

Please.  Articles like that are appearing everywhere. And trying to 'pooh pooh' it away is simply chidish.

British, indian, austrailian asia, the US -  nobody's thinking very highly of us.

So why don't you address the issue instead of dodging it?

[OftenWrong]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So why don't you address the issue instead of dodging it?

Could it be... is paid to shill for the LPC?   ?

[SpankyMcFarland]

52 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Please.  Articles like that are appearing everywhere. And trying to 'pooh pooh' it away is simply chidish.

British, indian, austrailian asia, the US -  nobody's thinking very highly of us.

So why don't you address the issue instead of dodging it?

This character defends Victor bloody Orbán as well as Trump pre-coup. He’s not middle of the road by any stretch of the imagination. 

On how Canada is regarded, I’d say it generally isn’t outside North America. People elsewhere have a very vague idea of the country and it rarely pops up in local news. 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

This character defends Victor bloody Orbán as well as Trump pre-coup

 

So - still can't address the issue. Pathetic.

If you ARE a paid shill the liberals deserve their money back.

Here's a cnn article lambasting trudeau

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/24/opinions/trudeau-modi-india-canada-tensions-sikh-bociurkiw/index.html

It says all that needs to be said that a leftie like you can't even attempt to address the points.

 

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

On how Canada is regarded, I’d say it generally isn’t outside North America. People elsewhere have a very vague idea of the country and it rarely pops up in local news. 

The best stuff still seems to be shining thru.

I saw a story about the return of a stolen totem pole to the Nisga by the National Museum of Scotland last month. When asked why this time after refusing to send it back when requested to 20 years ago. The museum cited there was a greater understanding about the importance of reconciliation now.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

The best stuff still seems to be shining thru.

 

If by 'best' you mean comedically then for sure. Pretty much the whole world is still laughing over the 'invite a nazi to work' incident.

[eyeball]

No

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If by 'best' you mean blah blah blah...

Nope that's not what I meant either.

[CdnFox]

JEZUZ _ WHY IS SHE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT?!!?!?!

 

https://archive.ph/Nz0On

Chrystia Freeland accuses Putin of weaponizing MPs’ ovations for Ukrainian SS veteran

 

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland has accused Vladimir Putin of “weaponizing” the Canadian Parliament’s honouring of a Waffen-SS veteran during an official visit by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky last month.

Oh IS he!?!?! We had NO IDEA!!!  Thanks for pointing out that he's taken YOUR BLUNDERS AND USED THEM AGAINST THE GUY WHO WAS IN PARLIAMENT SO YOU COULD GIVE HIM MONEY

If you screw up this badly you STOP TALKING ABOUT IT - this whole article CONTINUES to give Putin ammo!  He will point to this and say 'look how angry this weak female is about the fact we pointed out the truth about their love of nazis - i didn't bring him there, I didn't give him an ovation but some how is my fault? Ohhh those nazi lovers.

 

Freeland - SHUT UP, and hope everyone else does too. This is politics 101 - move on and let the next news cycle start!

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

No

Nope that's not what I meant either.

You don't sound like you actually know WHAT you meant. You're very confused today.

And here we have another liberal shill who's trying desperately to deflect from the disaster our reputation has become under his beloved liberals.  (tho he'd vote conservative if we elect michael cheong as leader - honest!)

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You don't sound like you actually know WHAT you meant.

That's not my fault. Its just plain old English. You do know what a dictionary is for right?