'Utterly repulsive': Canadians divided on Justin Trudeau's $650M aid to Ukraine

[CdnFox]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadians-divided-justin-trudeau-federal-government-ukraine-aid-182023007.html

Canada has pledged a multi-year commitment in supporting Ukraine amid its war with Russia.

Canadians were divided on social media following the federal government's recent announcement that it'd be sending hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Ukraine.

On Friday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau pledged a multi-year commitment in providing steady support for Ukrainians as the eastern European country's war with Russia continues.

"As part of this approach, I'm announcing $650 million in new military assistance over the next three years to supply Ukraine with 50 armoured vehicles, including armoured medical evacuation vehicles that will be built by Canadian workers in London, Ont.," Trudeau told Parliament on Sept. 22.

During a surprise visit to Kyiv in June, Trudeau announced another $500 million in military support for Ukraine. Initially, the prime minister didn't offer up details on the allocation of that aid.

Now, the federal government indicated the $500 million will go towards providing 35 drone cameras to Ukraine. It will also assist in sending Canadian trainers to help Ukrainian pilots and maintenance workers use donated fighter jets.

Canadians were divided on social media following the federal government's recent announcement that it'd be sending hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Ukraine.

On Friday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau pledged a multi-year commitment in providing steady support for Ukrainians as the eastern European country's war with Russia continues.

"As part of this approach, I'm announcing $650 million in new military assistance over the next three years to supply Ukraine with 50 armoured vehicles, including armoured medical evacuation vehicles that will be built by Canadian workers in London, Ont.," Trudeau told Parliament on Sept. 22.

During a surprise visit to Kyiv in June, Trudeau announced another $500 million in military support for Ukraine. Initially, the prime minister didn't offer up details on the allocation of that aid.

Following the the federal government's aid announcement, some Canadians showed their support for the move.

(tweets in article)

Others expressed their anger and frustration at Canada deciding to spend large amounts of money on supporting another country while its own citizens face a housing crisis, rising food costs and unstable health care.

(tweets in article.

[CdnFox]

Some of those tweets are pretty strong.

There's no doubt about one thing - justin AWAYS finds a way to divide canadians, and this is no exception.  A lot of people really believe in the support and feel it's a important part of keeping russia in line.  Others think maybe we should buy food for our people first, or get the first nations drinking water, or the like.

I think this is yet one more thing that can go on the ever growing pile of things Trudeau managed to divide us over

[myata]

Attention: the lying mob in action. No such references anywhere in the text of the OP.

Lie blatantly without reservation, divide and create conflicts, run the wave of chaos. The lying mob's plan never changes.

[myata]

59% of Americans supported military aid to Ukraine (June 2023, Reagan institute). The liars won't tell you that because they are prolific pathological liars not interested in the truth: only in getting to the power.

Standing up to Hitlers of our time is the right thing to do. Hitlers ARE NOT "geniuses" and "very honorable" people, they are brutal and murderous often sadist, criminal thugs. In the world of any normal human being there is an enormous difference. The liars could not say that aloud and in public because that's what their lying Idol said, on the record.

Standing up to Hitlers is the right thing to do not only out of the principles or basic human dignity but for very practical reasons as well: if we do nothing, Hitlers will come to us. As they have done before. Between humanity and an absolute abhorrent contraposition to it, there cannot be any compromises. The liars won't tell you that. They are not interested in any matters of principle: only in getting to power.

These are patented, stamped and accomplished liars. They lie always, copiously and naturally because this is the only way to the power they know. And everyone has to know and remember, always, what happens when we listen to patented and accomplished liars. There will be no surprises.

[Nexii]

The majority of Canadians support military aid to Ukraine too. The poll back in February had Canadian levels of support at 78% approval for decideds. And more people think we should be sending more support not less. Only in the CPC is there more of a divide. 

Yea Putin is just another Hitler. If he's not stopped at Ukraine he'll just keep going. 

Though the West made a huge mistake not getting Ukraine into NATO and cleaning up their corruption sooner. I guess we were kind of blind to what he was doing to his neighbors, not so different from 1930s Germany

[blackbird]

26 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Though the West made a huge mistake not getting Ukraine into NATO

I think the reason Ukraine was not brought into NATO was because it would have resulted in WW3.  NATO is trying to avoid an all out WW3 between Russia and the west.  Not bringing Ukraine into NATO was just a calculation to avoid world war.  The basic rule in NATO is if any NATO member is attacked, all members must defend the aggressor.  That would have meant WW3.  NATO made the right decision.

Edited October 2, 2023 by blackbird

[Nexii]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I think the reason Ukraine was not brought into NATO was because it would have resulted in WW3.  NATO is trying to avoid an all out WW3 between Russia and the west.  Not bringing Ukraine into NATO was just a calculation to avoid world war.  The basic rule in NATO is if any NATO member is attacked, all members must defend the aggressor.  That would have meant WW3.  NATO made the right decision.

I think it was more that Ukraine did not want to join NATO before 2014. And after then, they had disputed territory which precluded them from joining. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

Though the West made a huge mistake not getting Ukraine into NATO

Russia would not have allowed this, without an incredibly firm response, which would certainly have involved military conflict.

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

The majority of Canadians support military aid to Ukraine too.

Most do, there is no doubt about this. Thats not the issue. The issue is, most will not into perpetuity if there is no sign of ending or winning the conflict.

Public support will wane over time, and it will be hard to sell the WW3 fear propaganda as to being more pressing than dialogue and compromise, after 2-3 years of this.

Russia has already reached the point of no return in this conflict. They will rather nuclear conflict than globally losing any further face than they already have.

 

3 hours ago, myata said:

Standing up to Hitlers of our time is the right thing to do.

What happens when the Hitler is the US? 

Iraq invasion justified because we wish to impose our way of life, even though the pretense for it was false?

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, Nexii said:

The majority of Canadians support military aid to Ukraine too. The poll back in February had Canadian levels of support at 78% approval for decideds. And more people think we should be sending more support not less. Only in the CPC is there more of a divide. 

A poll last year suggested people supported the carbon tax. That's gone out the window too.

i think as people get hungry at home they'll get more and more fussy about aid going abroad.  I mean - announcing this at about the same time as he announces a billion dollar cut to OUR military budget is going to have a few people scratching their heads. 
 

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Yea Putin is just another Hitler. If he's not stopped at Ukraine he'll just keep going. 

Though the West made a huge mistake not getting Ukraine into NATO and cleaning up their corruption sooner. I guess we were kind of blind to what he was doing to his neighbors, not so different from 1930s Germany

 

It's basically nothing like germany in ww2.  This isn't about 'liebenstraum'. Putin is the same as most conquorers i suppose in that he likes using military force to gain territory and assets to enhance his empire.

But i don't think people are objecting because they think Putin is such a great guy.  I don't really think that it's about the conflict at all to be honest. I think it's as simple as our people are going without things they need and we're spending money on someone else .

You're new here so you probably missed some of my longer posts about the war - i've been brutally clear and straight forward that i think the war is a good thing for us to support because russia is an enemy and destroying their military and economic engines this way is by far the cheapest way we could possibly have hoped for.  Whether you think putin or ukraine is at fault, it still boils down to this confict costs us pennies on the dollar to trash a hostile neighbour.

But - if people at home are going hungry it IS going to be divisive to feed someone else. And trudeau has NOT made a good case for the aid or how it will help ukraine.  Not to  mention that this is going to increase inflationary pressures at home.

[blackbird]

45 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Iraq invasion justified because we wish to impose our way of life, even though the pretense for it was false?

The Iraq War has absolutely nothing to do with the war in the Ukraine.  You are grasping for straws.  Try again.

[OftenWrong]

52 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Iraq War has absolutely nothing to do with the war in the Ukraine.  You are grasping for straws.  Try again.

The Iraq war is relevant for people who believe USA and west are always the good guys.

[myata]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Iraq invasion justified because we wish to impose our way of life

Please read about the Iraq war yourself rather than giving attention to the lying mob and parroting their dumb and ridiculous lies. A false equivalence between UN-authorized operation and a brutal invasion of an independent country, in a blatant violation of every law and principle, including the Charter of the United Nation, is the dictator's favorite talking point. Would it surprise you (or anyone with own, working brain) that it caught like a fire among the lying crowd? And especially in the light of this:

"That's a genius" (of Putin, a brutal fascist dictator)

"Very honorable" (of Kim Yong Un, a brutal totalitarian dictator)

Is there something they aren't telling you? Just look and think, for yourself. You were given a brain for a reason. Try to remember that.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The Iraq War has absolutely nothing to do with the war in the Ukraine. 

Point to where I said it did. They clearly have zero to do with one another.

I was comparing governing principles. Clearly either war has their own unique parameters which began the respective conflicts.

A country felt threatened, and thus felt justified to start an armed conflict against another, using heavy handed propaganda while pushing a lie to the public.

The US and Iraq have vastly different lifestyles. The latter they also tried to push onto Iraqis.

There are parallels. The fact you can't see it, is precisely the double standard Russia is calling out.

Any Hitler like behavior is unnacceptable. From the west, or a communist foe. It shouldn't matter.

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Point to where I said it did. They clearly have zero to do with one another.

I was comparing governing principles. Clearly either war has their own unique parameters which began the respective conflicts.

A country felt threatened, and thus felt justified to start an armed conflict against another, using heavy handed propaganda while pushing a lie to the public.

The US and Iraq have vastly different lifestyles. The latter they also tried to push onto Iraqis.

There are parallels. The fact you can't see it, is precisely the double standard Russia is calling out.

Any Hitler like behavior is unnacceptable. From the west, or a communist foe. It shouldn't matter.

You are completely confused in your thinking.  The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia has absolutely nothing to do with the Iraq War and is not the fault of the U.S. in any way, shape or form.

You are sounding like an anti-American.  Maybe you are a leftist plant of some kind and oppose the west.  We have lots of those in Canada and America.  America is a country of freedom and defends freedom in the world.  You are on the wrong track.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, myata said:

UN-authorized operation

Based on false pretense.

Just because you can blur the lines, don't make it any more or less illegal.

OJ Simpson did get away with murder after all.

15 minutes ago, myata said:

a brutal invasion of an independent country

There is no such thing as a gentle invasion. The word invasion in itself, implies force was used.

Likely, it was brutal. Collateral damage is a package deal.

16 minutes ago, myata said:

You were given a brain for a reason. 

To avoid being blinded by biases, and to assess all sides of a story.

[herbie]

I read that article yesterday and saw no evidence to support it's own claim about Canadians being divided on the issue. A couple negative posts and tweets don't 'prove' dick. Look at ALL the posts and tweets and it's pretty clear the vast majority of us are behind supporting Ukraine.

Even after the latest news they're trying to cut military spending by $1 billion, no one is suggesting we stop funding Ukraine to keep the money for ourselves.

[Nexii]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

I read that article yesterday and saw no evidence to support it's own claim about Canadians being divided on the issue. A couple negative posts and tweets don't 'prove' dick. Look at ALL the posts and tweets and it's pretty clear the vast majority of us are behind supporting Ukraine.

Even after the latest news they're trying to cut military spending by $1 billion, no one is suggesting we stop funding Ukraine to keep the money for ourselves.

It's just senseless rage farming. Nothing much has changed, 80% of Canadians or so still back supporting Ukraine. Seems about right compared to the USA levels of support, where we have a large Ukrainian disapora.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

Even after the latest news they're trying to cut military spending by $1 billion, no one is suggesting we stop funding Ukraine to keep the money for ourselves.

Very easy to be optimistic after a year or two. 3 to 4, and it starts to sink in that this stalemate has us stuck into perpetuity as neither side will risk nuclear warfare by pushing too far.

Now, if you still have strong Canadian support by then, with virtually no major Ukrainian breakthroughs in seized territories, I will personally apologize to you for not being worth of debate with you. 

If that tide turns, and stopping the war becomes the new in vogue attitude, I will laugh my way to the ballot box as I tick my conservative vote, and mutter to myself that I told you so.

Putin is playing chess. He already knows the only way he gets any concessions at this point, is holding on as long as possible, and playing the long game until one of the parties blinks.

Considering the US holds an election in 2024, and Canada the year after if nothing changes politically, he may be spot on with regards to that gamble.

Again. I concede I may be wrong. We will find out.

[herbie]

Sometimes a stalemate leads to the conclusion. After years of stalmate we only got and lived with an  armistice in Korea since 1953.

Vietnam was a stalemate until the USA pulled out in 1973.

[Nexii]

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Very easy to be optimistic after a year or two. 3 to 4, and it starts to sink in that this stalemate has us stuck into perpetuity as neither side will risk nuclear warfare by pushing too far.

Now, if you still have strong Canadian support by then, with virtually no major Ukrainian breakthroughs in seized territories, I will personally apologize to you for not being worth of debate with you. 

If that tide turns, and stopping the war becomes the new in vogue attitude, I will laugh my way to the ballot box as I tick my conservative vote, and mutter to myself that I told you so.

Putin is playing chess. He already knows the only way he gets any concessions at this point, is holding on as long as possible, and playing the long game until one of the parties blinks.

Considering the US holds an election in 2024, and Canada the year after if nothing changes politically, he may be spot on with regards to that gamble.

Again. I concede I may be wrong. We will find out.

Most in Canada will support Ukraine indefinitely. They are a democracy that was attacked by an authoritarian regime. This sort of thing just doesn't stand to most in the West. At least to most sensible people that don't bootlick authoritarians.

Wars often go much longer than people expect them to. It would not surprise me to see this one go 5-10 years. But I think Russia will crumble before that. They aren't fighting for their existence like in WW2.

[blackbird]

The war in the Ukraine is having a significant impact on the Russian military.  I don't think Putin expected that.  Hopefully they will see the light and negotiate a reasonable peace plan that both sides can accept.

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Most in Canada will support Ukraine indefinitely.

Irrelevant if the US stops its support. 

This is what Putin is betting on.

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

They are a democracy that was attacked by an authoritarian regime.

It doesn't matter who you are attacked by. Its an invasion. Like Iraq by the US, or any other recent invasions. 

Just because governing bodies favor western countries who do it, doesn't make it any more right.

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

At least to most sensible people that don't bootlick authoritarians.

Technically this could be stated about anyone bootlicking Trudeaus shoes. Hypocrisy doesn't mean one doing the same thing but claiming sainthood is in the right.

A cop speeding without his siren or lights on, is no different than me doing it.

The standard should be the same.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

I read that article yesterday and saw no evidence to support it's own claim about Canadians being divided on the issue. A couple negative posts and tweets don't 'prove' dick. Look at ALL the posts and tweets and it's pretty clear the vast majority of us are behind supporting Ukraine.

Even after the latest news they're trying to cut military spending by $1 billion, no one is suggesting we stop funding Ukraine to keep the money for ourselves.

And while it seems the majority of Canadians do approve of giving Ukraine everything it needs, this is far from over, and if or when they win there will be a cost to rebuilding... Canadians have proven time after time they don't have patients for a long and dragged out war...and thats what this is, we will eventual cut aid and run like we always do...then there is  our country does have some major issues that will cost bils to fix...

Most of that funding and equipment given to Ukraine has come out of our military, and has not been reordered yet, so once that bill comes in the military would have been cut by far more than 1 billion, but more to the tone of 2-3 plus bil...not to mention this conflict has pointed out some huge shortfalls in our own military , not sure where that funding is coming from in the near furutre...

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

Most in Canada will support Ukraine indefinitely. They are a democracy that was attacked by an authoritarian regime. This sort of thing just doesn't stand to most in the West. At least to most sensible people that don't bootlick authoritarians.

 

If you mean 'support' as in "rah rah' - sure.  If you mean 'support' as in take money out of their pockets and give it to ukraine....   The evidence doesn't support your statement.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9507978/ukraine-canada-support-poll-anniversary/

As is always the case, as time goes on support slowly goes down (financial support particularly).

Our own soldiers have no tanks or air defense systems left - but we're buying more for someone else. And if a crisis breaks out anywhere in the world our people will go without.

Our people haven't got food to eat, but we're buying artillery rounds and building APC's for someone else.

If the war continues by this time next year support for financing it will likely be below 50 percent.

It's always that way.

[taxme]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadians-divided-justin-trudeau-federal-government-ukraine-aid-182023007.html

Canada has pledged a multi-year commitment in supporting Ukraine amid its war with Russia.

Canadians were divided on social media following the federal government's recent announcement that it'd be sending hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Ukraine.

On Friday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau pledged a multi-year commitment in providing steady support for Ukrainians as the eastern European country's war with Russia continues.

"As part of this approach, I'm announcing $650 million in new military assistance over the next three years to supply Ukraine with 50 armoured vehicles, including armoured medical evacuation vehicles that will be built by Canadian workers in London, Ont.," Trudeau told Parliament on Sept. 22.

During a surprise visit to Kyiv in June, Trudeau announced another $500 million in military support for Ukraine. Initially, the prime minister didn't offer up details on the allocation of that aid.

Now, the federal government indicated the $500 million will go towards providing 35 drone cameras to Ukraine. It will also assist in sending Canadian trainers to help Ukrainian pilots and maintenance workers use donated fighter jets.

Canadians were divided on social media following the federal government's recent announcement that it'd be sending hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Ukraine.

On Friday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau pledged a multi-year commitment in providing steady support for Ukrainians as the eastern European country's war with Russia continues.

"As part of this approach, I'm announcing $650 million in new military assistance over the next three years to supply Ukraine with 50 armoured vehicles, including armoured medical evacuation vehicles that will be built by Canadian workers in London, Ont.," Trudeau told Parliament on Sept. 22.

During a surprise visit to Kyiv in June, Trudeau announced another $500 million in military support for Ukraine. Initially, the prime minister didn't offer up details on the allocation of that aid.

Following the the federal government's aid announcement, some Canadians showed their support for the move.

(tweets in article)

Others expressed their anger and frustration at Canada deciding to spend large amounts of money on supporting another country while its own citizens face a housing crisis, rising food costs and unstable health care.

(tweets in article.

The latest that I heard is that the Nazi dictator in Ottawa has already given $10 billion of our tax dollars to Ukraine. Zelensky is a Nazi. Stories that I have read is that when America gives money to Ukraine, most of that money comes back as a form of a kickback to certain individuals back in America that takes a cut of the donations. 

This could be happening in Canada also. While many Canadians are struggling to try and make ends meet, this arse hole in Ottawa gives money to Ukraine willy-nilly. The people of Canada needs to get out there and have another demonstration like they did with the covid truckers convoy. This is obscene to think that while Canadians are suffering,

Canada is giving away billions of their tax dollars to Ukraine and other 3rd world countries. it's no wonder Canadians and Canada are deep in debt to the globalist banksters.

Inflation is all due to how the government in Ottawa spends our tax dollars. The deeper in debt, the higher inflation will rise. And this spend crazy Marxist government in Ottawa, knows how to spend out tax dollars alright. But not for or on Canadians, folks. ?