I don't give a damn about truth and reconciliation

[I am Groot]

Here's the truth: Nothing that happened before I was born gives me any sense of guilt whatsoever. Further, what Canada did with regard to natives is pretty minor in terms of world history and brutality/barbarity/cruelty. It wouldn't even make the first ten thousand entries on the list. Most of it was well-meaning and intended to help natives integrate rather than stay in the bushes as savages. 

Here's the truth: People come to this country from all over the world. They lie, cheat, steal, and for all I know, kill to get in here to have a better life. They might not speak a word of English or French, might not know much about our culture or how things work, might not have had many educational opportunities or skills that will command much remuneration here, but they know they and their children will have a better, more secure life here than where they came from. The ancestors of everyone BUT natives abandoned their homeland to risk everything to come here. Some of them needed to endure long, harsh journeys across the ocean on sailing ships. They did this in hopes of a better life. Because life was harsh where they had been living.

Meanwhile, natives squat in the woods whining about how hard their lot in life is as we shower them with billions of dollars in free everything. "More! More! Give us more! Feel the shame! Feel the guilt! Buy us off! More! Still more! And yet they aren't exactly living like princes, now are they? Well, except for the chiefs and band councilors and their families, who are living the good life.

I'm not interested in 'reconciliation', which always means paying them more money. If their life is hard then move. Come to the cities and towns, get a job. You already know the damn language. Stop whining about what happened to your grandmother, grow a pair and get on with life. If you want to sit out there in the bushes because your ancestors lived there then pay for it yourself. Think a lot of Canadians wouldn't like to live out in the country by a river or lake and take life easy? But they can't. They have to get a job to support themselves - and you. And those jobs are largely in the cities and towns.

There's nothing so special about your 'culture' that needs to be preserved by you being a dime store Indian squatting in the bushes doing your little pow-wow dances now and then for the TV cameras. Quit holding your hand out for money and get a job.

[Michael Hardner]

People who don't care about past wrongs sure seem to love past rights...

Either forget all the past or none of it.  Stop selecting past events that you care about.  Stop trying to feel good about history and instead look at it to illuminate the present.

Happy Truth and Reconcilliation Day to those who celebrate.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

People who don't care about past wrongs sure seem to love past rights...

Either forget all the past or none of it.

Why, because you're the 'past police'? What a ridiculous comment. Not feeling "Guilty" about the past is not the same as 'forgetting' the past.

We can look at mistakes people made in the past and learn from them or treat them as cautionary tales WITHOUT taking ownership of them as if they were somehow OUR fault.

Likewise, you can take inspiration from the good things people achieved and take pride for building on that to make things even better.

There are three kinds of people on truth and reconcillaition days - those that couldn't care less and don't feel guilty about the sins of other people long dead,  those who wish to be victims and clutch to the past because they're afraid to face the future, and the liberals who profit from the second group and virtue signal.  "Thank you for your donations!"

[QuebecOverCanada]

The fact that we, as a country, created this Holiday but still kept the "INDIAN" status unchanged is extremely hypocritical. 

Not only is the term derogatory, but having 2 classes of citizens based on someone's ethnic background shows that equality isn't what Canadians value, truly.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Here's the truth: Nothing that happened before I was born gives me any sense of guilt whatsoever.

I don't feel guilty because I didn't do anything.  What happened to a couple friends of mine in a residential school pissed me off though.

What I don't have any time for reconciling with is the attitude you bring to the whole issue.  Why don't you just go back to wherever your family came from if you're so unhappy here?

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

  Why don't you just go back to wherever your family came from if you're so unhappy here?

Selective memory and having two sets of responses to past events depending on who did it.

"I remember this one time I helped this guy to his feet...."
"Wait isn't that the guy you punched in the teeth ?"
"Yeah... as I was saying I helped hiim to his feet and he didn't even say THANK YOU"

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Selective memory and having two sets of responses to past events depending on who did it.

"I remember this one time I helped this guy to his feet...."
"Wait isn't that the guy you punched in the teeth ?"
"Yeah... as I was saying I helped hiim to his feet and he didn't even say THANK YOU"

thats not how the story goes in your world.

"I remember the time I helped this guy to is feet"

"wait - isn't that the guy who's great grandfather your great grandfather punched in the teeth?"

"Yeah - that has nothing to do with this guy, he was down and i helped him"

"oh - well you should feel really guilty about that.  I hope he didn't thank you".

[Nefarious Banana]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Selective memory and having two sets of responses to past events depending on who did it.

"I remember this one time I helped this guy to his feet...."
"Wait isn't that the guy you punched in the teeth ?"
"Yeah... as I was saying I helped hiim to his feet and he didn't even say THANK YOU"

Thankfully Hardner's reality isn't most peoples.  Very few people believe his  2+2=7  theories . . .

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

People who don't care about past wrongs sure seem to love past rights...

Either forget all the past or none of it.  Stop selecting past events that you care about.  Stop trying to feel good about history and instead look at it to illuminate the present.

Happy Truth and Reconcilliation Day to those who celebrate.

This is kind of like climate change... Liberals bring in carbon tax and we are good, we dance in the streets, we praise the liberals for saving us, for doing our part for climate...we pay tax at the pump, in the hops of getting it back at the end of the year...sorry we lied... turns up the music dance , people dance...

Here the liberals made a day called it Reconciliation day and Canadians think we have solved the gap we have created with the indigenous people.. turns up the music dance mother truckers dance...

Maybe one day someone will come along with solutions instead of dance parties.

 

[Nexii]

I care more about the present and it's brutally sobering. Life expectancy for FN/Indigenous is 10-15 years lower than the general Canadian population. Are we really doing things that much better than in the past? I'd argue that we aren't. And that the whole system needs to be scrapped. I mean it's called the Indian Act... huge cringe that it's still called that in 2023

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

People who don't care about past wrongs sure seem to love past rights...

Either forget all the past or none of it.  Stop selecting past events that you care about.  Stop trying to feel good about history and instead look at it to illuminate the present.

Thing is, people lie more about history than they do current events. 

For example, if you talk about slavery nowadays you'll get the impression that whites were the only slave-owners ever, and nothing could be further from the truth. Whites are actually the people who abolished slavery when given the chance, and no one else ever did that before. Millions of whites also spent centuries as slaves, we probably spent more person-years enduring it than benefitting from it. 

The topic of residential schools is the exact same. They weren't created just so that priests could bugger children, they were created to bring children out of the stone age and into the present. People wanna focus on the bad things that happened and pretend that it was the entire plan to begin with, it's just a non-starter for an actual conversation.

I don't care about Truth and Reconciliation Day because truth plays no part in it. It's not really "Truth and Reconciliation Day" it's actually more of a "bigotry day" tbh. 

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

This is kind of like climate change...

The only similarities to this issue and climate change are the deplorable attitude of chuds.

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Here the liberals made a day called it Reconciliation day and Canadians think we have solved the gap we have created with the indigenous people.. turns up the music dance mother truckers dance...

Like climate change, all it takes to keep progress slower than the 2nd Coming is chud attitude.  I think Liberals are experts at exploiting this attitude to go slow because way deep down they're right-wingers too.  They're as beholden to interests that have no more desire to redistribute or dilute their power to people as the Conservatives are.

This is why I say it'll still take a couple of centuries for reconciliation to unfold - notwithstanding the fact that climate change and the increasing dysfunction it brings will undermine all our efforts to make the world a better place.

Everyone's future is very bleak and very dark.  Good job.

[Army Guy]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The only similarities to this issue and climate change are the deplorable attitude of chuds.

Like climate change, all it takes to keep progress slower than the 2nd Coming is chud attitude.  I think Liberals are experts at exploiting this attitude to go slow because way deep down they're right-wingers too.  They're as beholden to interests that have no more desire to redistribute or dilute their power to people as the Conservatives are.

This is why I say it'll still take a couple of centuries for reconciliation to unfold - notwithstanding the fact that climate change and the increasing dysfunction it brings will undermine all our efforts to make the world a better place.

Everyone's future is very bleak and very dark.  Good job.

This is how the left solves issues... we blame others for our shortfalls... hey i know we we name a day in their honor dance around the fire all night then for the rest of the year forget we even know them.... 

Well thats the problem with the left, they are good at calling names and making excuses... instead of just creating a day why not just come up with a solution to the issue...

I get it is all the conservatives fault becasue they are the ones with the really power in this country....wait a minute don't they have the super coalition with the NDP "they" have a majority to solve any problems they wish, but prefer to blame the right instead of taking action...lets face it the left is short on problem solving skills and great at blaming others for their plight in life...

Our future is bleak becasue "WE" are afraid of doing something that might cost votes or get us canceled...thats left or right, you can sit their in your self pity pointing fingers at people who look conservative or you can stand up and be part of the solution...but hey if that does not work just keep shouting chud how is that working for ya... ... 

[Nefarious Banana]

There is no 'solution' and there never will be.  Indians don't want a solution as that might dry up the cash flow, whites will never get over their inherent guilt, so they pay.  Both sides depend on cash flow.

This is a dog chasing its tail scenario . . . . .

 

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

People who don't care about past wrongs sure seem to love past rights...

Either forget all the past or none of it.  Stop selecting past events that you care about.  Stop trying to feel good about history and instead look at it to illuminate the present.

Happy Truth and Reconcilliation Day to those who celebrate.

I don't see a lot of celebrating or praise for our past rights or accomplishments these days. In fact, I never really saw many. The whole farce of Canada Day was a Liberal invention to persuade Quebec to love Canada, and it failed.

We used to celebrate Dominion Day by doing essentially nothing.

 

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I don't feel guilty because I didn't do anything.  What happened to a couple friends of mine in a residential school pissed me off though.

What I don't have any time for reconciling with is the attitude you bring to the whole issue.  Why don't you just go back to wherever your family came from if you're so unhappy here?

My family came from Montreal. And they don't like Anglos in that province.

Lots of stuff happened in my school that would have pissed people off. Such is life. No one made a big deal of it and life went on.

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Selective memory and having two sets of responses to past events depending on who did it.

"I remember this one time I helped this guy to his feet...."
"Wait isn't that the guy you punched in the teeth ?"
"Yeah... as I was saying I helped hiim to his feet and he didn't even say THANK YOU"

"I punched this guy forty two years ago and he reminds me of it fourteen times a day. Which is why I want to punch him again." 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

I care more about the present and it's brutally sobering. Life expectancy for FN/Indigenous is 10-15 years lower than the general Canadian population. Are we really doing things that much better than in the past? I'd argue that we aren't. And that the whole system needs to be scrapped. I mean it's called the Indian Act... huge cringe that it's still called that in 2023

It's called the Indian Act because the native chiefs wouldn't allow us to scrap it out of fear it would lessen their power over their people - and the money we continue to funnel through their hands.

[I am Groot]

26 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

There is no 'solution' and there never will be.  Indians don't want a solution as that might dry up the cash flow, whites will never get over their inherent guilt, so they pay.  Both sides depend on cash flow.

This is a dog chasing its tail scenario . . . . .

 

Ironically., the solution will be when the majority of Canadians are immigrants from Asia who don't care one bit about that supposed guilt and will have little patience for natives sitting out in the woods constantly holding their hands out for more. I suspect soon after they become the majority the money train will be halted.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Lots of stuff happened in my school that would have pissed people off. Such is life. No one made a big deal of it and life went on.

You got f**ked up the a** too did you? You were told to just suck it up and get over it?

Bullshit.  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Our future is bleak becasue "WE" are afraid of doing something that might cost votes or get us canceled...thats left or right, you can sit their in your self pity pointing fingers at people who look conservative or you can stand up and be part of the solution...but hey if that does not work just keep shouting chud how is that working for ya... ... 

It's not out of self-pity that I ridicule conservatives for persisting in their belief the world is shaped by the tension that exists between them and the left, it's their refusal to consider that it's the relationship between the governed and government that's at issue.

Maybe you've noticed I also lock horns with Liberals who seem to think the level of transparency we labour under is already more than adequate.

[Canadian_Cavalier]

The real lesson of residential schools is to not trust government to know what's best for your children.

A group of activists have high interest in turning it into Canada's "original sin" as a way to get people (mostly whites) to hate our history and nation. I'll always love this country while recognizing it isn't perfect. God bless Canada.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We can look at mistakes people made in the past and learn from them or treat them as cautionary tales WITHOUT taking ownership of them as if they were somehow OUR fault.

Exactly.

I feel no remorse for my lack of guilt or sympathy for this community.

No doubt, what happened sucks, and should have never happened. But unless you're a direct heir or child I don't understand how this affects someone many generations later.

Just because am black, doesn't make me affected by slavery. It makes no sense, even less for me to feel entitled to reparations.

I grew up around violence, prostitution and drugs. 

Society told me from childhood, that I was inferior. I was crazy enough to refuse to believe it.

Where's my reparations for my past irreversible psychological damage?

Maybe am just crazy.

I remember the earthquake in Haiti. 

So many were asking me if I wanted financial help.

I turned it down, but thanked them for their thoughts.

I was raised to stand on my own two.

Your community is f***ed if you feel the government is there to help you.

[herbie]

What a shameful thing to brag about.

Do you own a Proud To Be a Deplorable hat you wear in public?

[Canadian_Cavalier]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

What a shameful thing to brag about.

Do you own a Proud To Be a Deplorable hat you wear in public?

I'm going to salute the Red Ensign tomorrow and you can't stop me

[Dougie93]

21 minutes ago, Canadian_Cavalier said:

I'm going to salute the Red Ensign tomorrow and you can't stop me

Loyalist Orangemen of Upper Canada

rally round the Colours

from Queenston Heights to Vimy Ridge