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1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

1...  you had an opportunity to teach her, to take her aside, to tell her: "Hey, I am an old socialis, temper your views, let's talk about". 

2. You are a deceiver brother, and you do more damage than the hooligans because you know your way around the sheep. Not with this wolf though. 

1. Why would she listen to me?  You're pretty new to this, I suppose, so you think that it means more than it does.

2. This is just a bunch of ? sheep talking about the shepherd.  Nothing more.

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4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You got reinforcements now, another one @Moonbox, another one that thinks because I sent him some messages drunk on some private chat and played around with his game doesn't know I know he is here to serve Ukrainian interest. 

Ukrainian interests...yep.  That's me.  I joined this forum in 2008 to serve Ukrainian interests.  

4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Again, troll, you are serving the Ukrainians, not NATO, not Canada, not the USA, so like I did to that half Irish man when he misbehaved, a spit right in front of your faces both of you. The moonbat and Michae Hardner, scum leftists. 

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Come back when you're off your bender, I guess.  A downvote for manic ranting elicits more lashing out and manic ranting.   That's radical centrism, I guess.  

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2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

 

1. I sent him some messages drunk on some chat while working for ideas, and played around with his game, doesn't know, I know he is here to serve Ukrainian interest. 

2. Again, troll, you are serving the Ukrainians, not NATO, not Canada, not the USA, so like I did to that half-Irish man when he misbehaved, a spit right in front of your faces, both of you. The Moonbat and Michael Hardner, scum leftists. 

1. Ok, bad assumption on me, then.  I assumed that you sent compliments while sober and insults while drunk.

2. I'm serving someone?  Ok... ... Yawn.  Last call, gentlemen.  Last call.

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2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Far-right, which I was. Very committed. Now, I work, pay my taxes even do volunteering for your land. 

If you're referring to FI (first immigrant) land claims . . . the FI and the leftist federal & provincial governments don't care about anything except themselves.  Politicians handing over your tax money and title to make the themselves 'big' in their own eyes.  FI's are likely laughing at you Mike . . . . but, carry on CHUMP.

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12 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Even if they are citizens? Don't know if I agree with that brother, that is something the Shah would do, but I think here once you become a citizen, you can't really change that, I think we should think about more serious tests or even MENTORSHIP programs.

Meaning if one is an Iranian and comes here and wants to become a citizen to spend some time with a Canadian family that was born and raised here, why not?

It is about Canada not Iran brother. Regardless of what race or nationality. Black, brown or white. If they come to Canada and contrary to the contract they sign and instead of contributing positively they engage in crimes they must be deported back. 

Similar to social programs for immigrants. Sponsored immigrants cannot benefit from social programs for up to 10 years even if citizen.

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7 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

No, I consider you, because you were born and raised here a superior being, so this is why I called it: "Your land". 

I am also a Canadian, amongst others, however, I wanted to give you a certain signal that we are on the same team, I said "your land" because I know you want recognition from folks you perceive as immigrants that you were the big boss here before. I am giving it to you. 

No you've made assumptions that are not applicable to me . . . I only speak for me.  No matter what my stated heritage, my sister and I were brought up in the belief system that hard work, expect no favors, be thankful for the favors you do receive, and take responsibility for your successes and failures . . . . very different from the majority of 1/2 my heritage.

I think Conservative . . . . and do not want/need recognition for something I had no choice in.

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18 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Oh no, it does not matter who it is, anyone, I am an immigrant too, however, I will tell you what the issue becomes and you let me know where I am going wrong

What if the system changes and another party comes along full of angry folks that aim their anger towards a certain group? Should they just cancel citizenship just like that? 

What happens is, and you know this, if a system changes in an angry revolt folks tend to turn on each other. That is my resistance to this, what if some politicians come along and misuse this power to cancel citizenship? and average people pay the price? 

I think we should have a stronger vetting process, yes, that I agree. 

This scenario will not happen in the Canada that I know. Even in the unlikely scenario of a far right party take over which in Canada is as unthinkable as war between planets, nobody can be deported without having committed a crime based on this law.

Revolutions and extremism happen in socially backward countries and they have no place in Canada. That is why I have said it many times before that Canada must be very selective as who they allow into this country. We don't want extremists or criminals or fascists or communists or islamic fanatics form a majority in this country and declare a state of political or religious fascism in this country.

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

This is happening all over the world as a result of increasingly desperate times.

No, it actually isn't. The places where it's happening are places that have given up on strong policing and harsh sentences like Canada, the US and UK.

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

They actually don't care if anything changes, they just want to love the sound of that pointless rhetoric.

Riiight. Those silly conservatives! They don't really care about crime or injustice! Because everything is perfect in a Liberal world! They're just nitpicking! Just doing it to have something to complain about.

Why, everyone knows life is perfect in Trudeau's Canada.

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52 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

You referred to Contrarian's 'type' as Chuds . . . . what is a Chud?

These days it appears to be a kind of derisive, dismissive insult from someone who believes himself vastly superior to those he or she is arguing with. Usually used by those who are quite liberal in their thinking toward those who are - not.

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10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Willing to bet he voted Liberal in just about every election since he was born - except a few where he voted NDP.

I've voted nothing but Conservative provincially, and only Liberal twice in my entire life.  Presumably others who share some of my viewpoints could be similar?

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

These days it appears to be a kind of derisive, dismissive insult from someone who believes himself vastly superior to those he or she is arguing with. Usually used by those who are quite liberal in their thinking toward those who are - not.

Of course it's a derisive, along the lines of libtard, but more used to describe MAGA conspiracy clowns and folks incapable of higher reasoning.  

 

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8 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

No, it actually isn't.

Yes things are increasingly getting harder everywhere.

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The places where it's happening are places that have given up on strong policing and harsh sentences like Canada, the US and UK.

This is happening everywhere too. Poverty, political instability and corruption of police being the leading causes.

And yet at the same time;

The Murder Rate Is Suddenly Falling

The first five months of 2023 have produced an encouraging overall trend for the first time in years.

Official crime statistics are only released after a substantial delay, so for nearly a decade I’ve collected and compiled big-city crime data as a way to assemble a more real-time picture of national murder trends. And this spring, I’ve found something that I’ve never seen before and that probably has not happened in decades: strong evidence of a sharp and broad decline in the nation’s murder rate.

The United States may be experiencing one of the largest annual percent changes in murder ever recorded, according to my preliminary data. It is still early in the year and the trend could change over the second half of the year, but data from a sufficiently large sample of big cities have typically been a good predictor of the year-end national change in murder, even after only five months.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/06/us-murder-rate-decline-crime-statistics/674290/

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. No, I mean populist drool buckets who think that politics is about deep discussions about drag queens...

Did anyone mention drag queens?  Hmm - sounds like you doth protest too much :)  Lets not get OVERLY emotional about it 

Ass for people who think that trans and gay issues are the most important thing we could be discussing i'd have to direct you to the woke left wingers - they're the ones who insist that these issues are front and center in the political discourse. Conservatives would be just as happy to never have to address it again.

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2. I don't think that Trudeau has done much at all.  I don't think Poilievre has the experience to do anything if he wins either.

You don't think trudeau has doubled the debt? The economic types seem to feel pretty strongly he has

You don't think he's been divisive at all? It seems like a pretty universal view that he has.

You don't feel that his specific law with regards to bail has lead to a number of unnecessary deaths? Because the police and other legal experts seem to feel that might be the case.

I could go on... perhaps you haven't been reading the news these last 7 years as much?

As to PP - he's got 2.5 decades of experience in politics and the finance side of it specifically .  Very few people in Canada have more experience than him directly related to the job.  So you'll have to explain why that's insufficient.

 

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3. Wow, great.  I have never heard that before, did you make it up ??

No, it's common logic and everyone with a brain has heard it, how is it you never....  oh, wait...     right. Sorry about that.

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It's a conspiracy... Maybe I'm with the WEF...

Sounds more like you're with the LPC  :)

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

We knew this would happen decades ago by studying rats in overcrowded, stressful conditions.

So logic is to add rats, make food harder to reach, and rats who misbehave to be slapped on the wrists? These aren't criminals these are victims.

Rats need to move. Let's put more hurdles and tax their movement even more?

Liberals didn't create the problem. Crime wasn't invented by Trudeau. You're right on that.

Conservatives won't eliminate it. Bang on, again.

 

But to put Trudeau as a victim, when several of his policies have made things worse for Canadians, at a time where he should be preaching unity, is essentially being hit hard with reality and denying you were even touched.

 

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1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

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They should make that an animated and interactive graph where his smiling face rides along the roller coaster of reality.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yes things are increasingly getting harder everywhere.

Isn't that like saying "everyone speeds!" to an officer stopping you for going 35km/h over the limit?

"Its like that everywhere" is literally accepting the way things are, when the current state of affairs is unacceptable. 

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10 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So logic is to add rats

Apparently. Everyone has been preaching the same thing, that anything other than perpetual growth is the death of everything. Even the thought of zero growth causes heads to burst into flames and explode.

14 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

But to put Trudeau as a victim,

You must have me confused with a different poster. I regard Trudeau as an empty-headed cocked-up dilettant.

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yes that happened all around the world too.

Libs responsible for all of it, like global inflation too, according to you dingbats.

Now now -  no need to get upset just because your party of choice is dropping the ball a bit.

So your argument is that Trudaeu has no control over these things in canada? That some foreign mystery power is the only thing that controls it?

These 'foreign powers'... are they in the room with you right now?

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21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So your argument blah blah blah

So long as everything you think about is predicated on your claim the Liberals are my party of choice you'll remain as stupid as a bag of dogshit.

As a dink who enjoys being a c*nt about everything feel free to continue f**king yourself.

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28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

like global inflation too,

WTH is "global inflation" by the way? How does it affect the price of Canadian grown potatoes, wheat and bread, presumably not imported from some "global market"? You get higher buck for exports which are many thanks to inflation, but this stuff is made here locally, what "global inflation"? Is it real or some bs slogan that some are repeating thoughtlessly thinly covering monopolistic "because we can". Hurray, "global inflation"! Yes, we can!

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52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So long as everything you think about is predicated on your claim the Liberals are my party of choice you'll remain as stupid as a bag of dogshit.

 

Awwww - that hurts so much coming from you, an actual bag of dogshit :)

Sounds like triggered commie is triggered again. :)

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As a dink who enjoys being a c*nt about everything feel free to continue f**king yourself.

Well you sure showed me the value of proper polite behavior didn't you :)

You can't get mad every time someone is smarter than you.  You'll be mad like 99.99 percent of the time and that's not healthy!  :)

 Obviously trudeau has a lot of direct control in this regard and he's blown it. While i'm sure he appreaciates you once again leaping to his defense (or tripping to his defense in this case) the fact is he has to wear his mistakes.

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