Offshore wind projectW a "MANMADE ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER."

[Aristides]

On 8/5/2023 at 6:35 AM, reason10 said:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/fishermen-activists-protesting-offshore-wind-projects-east-coast-manmade-environmental-disaster

Fishermen, activists protesting offshore wind projects on the East Coast: 'A manmade environmental disaster'

Critics claim the growth of wind turbines is creating an ecological crisis including a rise in whale deaths

Rhode Island fisherman Chris Brown discusses how fishermen are protesting offshore wind farms on ‘The Bottom Line.’

Critics are sounding the alarm on the ecological consequences of the Biden administration's green energy agenda, specifically the increase marine wildlife deaths in conjunction with offshore wind farms.

Activists along with local fishermen are particularly concerned about the rise in whale and dolphin beaching.

"What we're seeing is a failure to properly manage the situation," Rhode Island fisherman Chris Brown said on "The Bottom Line" Wednesday.

"The whales have been migrating from their southern stations during the spring up through the mid-Atlantic region, and they didn't even slow down the acoustic carpet bombing. And as a result, the Atlantic was littered with the dead whales and dolphins and sharks. There doesn't seem to be any environmental concern. This is a manmade environmental disaster that's unfolding. I expect that it will half a whale population in 10 years and probably the same for our fish."

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Offshore wind is leaving a ‘heavy environmental footprint’ on the East Coast: CFACT’s Craig Rucker

CFACT President Craig Rucker outlines why his group is protesting offshore wind projects while the Biden administration pushes a green energy agenda.

So far this year, more than 30 dead whales and 30 dead dolphins have washed up on the East Coast.

Brown is among those protesting and calling on leadership to consider the consequences of such an aggressive green energy push. 

Other activists including the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) have staged protests at offshore wind farms such as the South Fork Wind Farm off the coast of Rhode Island. 

 

"We organized this protest to try to draw attention to the very heavy environmental footprint that offshore wind has on our eastern coast," CFACT President Craig Rucker said on "Fox & Friends" Thursday.

"The Biden administration wants to put up 30,000 megawatts of offshore wind between now and 2030. I guess they believe the world's going to end in six and a half years like AOC from climate change," he added. "This means putting up 1,500 wind turbines stretching from the Carolinas right up to New England, and they're putting these offshore wind turbines about 15 to 30 miles off the coast, right in the prime habitat, in the lanes that a number of species of whales used to go north and south up and down along our coast."

Rhode Island fisherman Chris Brown blasts the Biden administrations green energy push and protests offshore wind projects over a spike in marine wildlife deaths. (FOX Business/AP Photo / Fox News)

The turbines are creating disruptions to the ocean ecosystem both with the sounds that are emitted by the machines during the operation phase and even during construction. 

"A lot of noise is being created, and we've seen unprecedented numbers of whales beach themselves along the shores. In fact, some estimate there's been about a 400% increase in whale beaching and whale strikes since they began the offshore wind construction," Rucker explained.

Rucker pointed out a whale species that is of a particular concern is the Right Whale, one of the most endangered whale species in the world.

BIDEN ADMINISTRATION BLAST FOR ‘HYPOCRISY’ ON OFFSHORE WIND AS IT SCRAMBLES TO PROBE WHALE DEATHS

The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM), a regulatory body from the Department of Interior that leases offshore areas for energy development, posted a grant notice in May targeted at "addressing key information gaps in acoustic ecology of the North Atlantic Right Whales," one of the most endangered whale species in the world.

The problem is the government has already approved offshore wind projects, and some experts are saying the attention to the whales is too little too late.

Fisherman in the region are calling the government "hypocritical" after the same federal agencies almost "regulated [them] completely out of business" in an effort to protect the endangered species without any data showing fishermen bring any harm to the right whale.

"I sit on an advisory board to the Rhode Island CRMC and I negotiate with the developers, and it's deny, deny, deny. They don't want to be held accountable," Brown said. "But why should they be? The president is running interference for them."

"There doesn't seem to be any environmental concern. This is a manmade environmental disaster that's unfolding. I expect that it will half a whale population in 10 years and probably the same for our fish."

- Fisherman Chris Brown

"You elect a president in the wildest dreams that he will uphold the laws of the land, and this one has organized the dismissal of the Magnuson Stevens Act, the Endangered Species Act, and the Marine Mammal Protection Act," Brown claimed. "These laws are what give us a healthy relationship with the ocean."

State leadership and lawmakers are also speaking out on the environmental crisis.

In May, 50 mayors from across the Democrat-led states of New Jersey, Delaware and Maryland sent an open letter to Congress calling for an offshore wind development moratorium in light of recent marine wildlife deaths. 

The mayors expressed concern that the increasing number of whale and dolphin deaths is negatively impacting the ocean ecosystem their communities rely upon.

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(For the uneducated retarrds here who will immediately point to offshore oil drilling platforms, the science has already spoken. The ONLY hazard from a platform is the release of petroleum into the ocean. However, 20 to 25 TONS of oil and gas seep into the oceans EVERY DAY from cracks in the earth's crust. And because oil is heavy, it sinks to the bottom and has little to ZERO effect on most ocean life.)

 

For the uneducated alleged Florida school teacher, crude oil has a specific gravity between .79 and .84. So, not heavy. That specific gravity is compared to fresh water. Salt water is more dense than fresh water. So even less heavy.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Aristides

[Legato]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

What is “acoustic carpet bombing”? It appears to be a new buzzword invented by an oil-industry funded group.  What is it? What produces it? What does it do?

https://dosits.org/people-and-sound/examine-the-earth/how-is-sound-used-to-research-wind-energy/

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

https://dosits.org/people-and-sound/examine-the-earth/how-is-sound-used-to-research-wind-energy/

That interesting article doesn’t mention the term you used: “acoustic carpet bombing.” What is acoustic carpet bombing?

[Legato]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

That interesting article doesn’t mention the term you used: “acoustic carpet bombing.” What is acoustic carpet bombing?

I agree the term is over the top

Using high energy wide swath echo sounders to cover large area's of the sea bed in a single pass. The data used to identify the most stable locations for the placement of offshore windmills. 

[reason10]

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

For the uneducated alleged Florida school teacher, crude oil has a specific gravity between .79 and .84. So, not heavy. That specific gravity is compared to fresh water. Salt water is more dense than fresh water. So even less heavy.

For the uneducated blue stater (who never would have gotten past the second grade in a superior Florida public school) this thread is about WINDMILLS, not oil.

You must have worn a dunce cap quite a bit before dropping out of the third grade.

[Rebound]

18 hours ago, Legato said:

I agree the term is over the top

Using high energy wide swath echo sounders to cover large area's of the sea bed in a single pass. The data used to identify the most stable locations for the placement of offshore windmills. 

So we have ONE fisherman and an oil industry-funded group masquerading as environmentalists, claiming that windmills are bad for whales.  And Fox News decides THAT is the news.  
 

There may be truth that the developers of wind farms need to stop their sonic testing during whale migration season. That is the precise problem with Republicans and Fox News.The actual truth and solving actual problems does not matter.  Oil Money, Baby!!! Oil Oil Oil!!!

Only… how does shutting down wind power help average Americans? It harms the investors, it harms private industry, and it makes electricity prices increase.  
 

IF there’s an actual problem with wind farms harming whales, Fox News sure isn’t telling us. And one fisherman isn’t either. Here is one group that would actually know, but Fox isn’t bothering to ask them, because Fox News just lost $800 million proving that they don’t care about telling the truth. Fox only cares about reporting whatever advances their agenda and boosts their viewership. 
https://www.neaq.org/animal/right-whales/

They mention nothing about windmills harming whales. 

[WestCanMan]

On 8/11/2023 at 6:32 AM, Rebound said:

Exactly!Offshore drilling platforms are massive. They are many times bigger than a platform for holding a windmill.

So how can it be that an itty-bitty windmill platform could allegedly kill a whale… but an offshore oil platform cannot? They’ve been around for many decades.  

Does it really make any sense that a windmill would kill whales but an oil platform would not? How could that be?  

1) There's almost never just 1 windmill, they cluster them in areas by the dozens because it doesn't make a lot of sense to  create the infrastructure to carry/store that energy just for 1 windmill. 

2) How much noise does 1 platform make compared to dozens of windmills? Do you know how whales are even affected by these things?

When the oceans were quiet, whales used to be able to communicate with each other from extreme distances. Hundreds, even thousands of miles. That's because of the way that sound travels under water. Is the noise pollution from wind farms polluting the whales' frequency 24/7/365 or something? 

I dunno, but noise from windmills is a concern everywhere. 

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Most likely answer: Windmills are not killing whales.  If they were, then remediation could be applied. But you cannot fix something if it isn’t broken.  

Leftards are always so quick to jump the their conclusion of choice, against all evidence to the contrary:

1) 1 study came out in NEJoM and The Lancet about HCQ and it's 100% confirmed for all time: "HCQ doesn't work!" Then the study was retracted because "the participants didn't give authority to release their names" ? , but leftards say "We still believe it!!!!!"

2) 50% of the people in Israeli ICUs are jabbinated "But it's just because Delta threw the vax a curve. The vax still works!" Just under 90% of covid deaths in Canada are among the vaxed, but "It still works just as promised, hyuk hyuk."

3) +100 more recent examples that I'm not gonna bother to trot out...

Literally nothing can ever prove/disprove anything that nixes your confirmation bias. It's unbelievable.

[Rebound]

On 8/14/2023 at 3:00 PM, WestCanMan said:

1) There's almost never just 1 windmill, they cluster them in areas by the dozens because it doesn't make a lot of sense to  create the infrastructure to carry/store that energy just for 1 windmill. 

2) How much noise does 1 platform make compared to dozens of windmills? Do you know how whales are even affected by these things?

When the oceans were quiet, whales used to be able to communicate with each other from extreme distances. Hundreds, even thousands of miles. That's because of the way that sound travels under water. Is the noise pollution from wind farms polluting the whales' frequency 24/7/365 or something? 

I dunno, but noise from windmills is a concern everywhere. 

Leftards are always so quick to jump the their conclusion of choice, against all evidence to the contrary:

1) 1 study came out in NEJoM and The Lancet about HCQ and it's 100% confirmed for all time: "HCQ doesn't work!" Then the study was retracted because "the participants didn't give authority to release their names" ? , but leftards say "We still believe it!!!!!"

2) 50% of the people in Israeli ICUs are jabbinated "But it's just because Delta threw the vax a curve. The vax still works!" Just under 90% of covid deaths in Canada are among the vaxed, but "It still works just as promised, hyuk hyuk."

3) +100 more recent examples that I'm not gonna bother to trot out...

Literally nothing can ever prove/disprove anything that nixes your confirmation bias. It's unbelievable.

I’ve never heard a windmill make noise. The amount of noise that hits water is probably close to zero. I think what these pseudo-environmentalists are complaining about is the use of sonar to site wind farms.  
 

Donald Trump, in his moronic wisdom, has repeatedly said that windmills cause cancer.  Go figure that one.  

Edited August 17, 2023 by Rebound

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

I’ve never heard a windmill make noise. The amount of noise that hits water is probably close to zero. I think what these pseudo-environmentalists are complaining about is the use of sonar to site wind farms.  
 

Donald Trump, in his moronic wisdom, has repeatedly said that windmills cause cancer.  Go figure that one.  

https://pubs.aip.org/asa/jasa/article/148/5/2885/631772/How-loud-is-the-underwater-noise-from-operating

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

I’ve never heard a windmill make noise. The amount of noise that hits water is probably close to zero. I

You have got to be kidding.

Welp - there goes your credibility out the window

Nothing on earth that moves does so without creating noise. It's just the way of things.  A gigantic propeller spinning in the wind on a giant poll is going to produce a LOT of noise and vibration (which is noise).  Go take a pinwheel out into the wind and see if you can hear it when it spins.  Try making a silent one.

Wind turbines produce about 80 db of noise each - EACH - and in clusters are so loud that health canada did research into how much they affect humans that they're near.  In water that sounds travels a LONG way and a few dozen of them would be quite a racket.

 

[reason10]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

I’ve never heard a windmill make noise. The amount of noise that hits water is probably close to zero. I think what these pseudo-environmentalists are complaining about is the use of sonar to site wind farms.  
 

Donald Trump, in his moronic wisdom, has repeatedly said that windmills cause cancer.  Go figure that one.  

So whales are being killed in mass numbers by silence?

Once again,  you prove to us that you are  LIAR.

[Rebound]

8 minutes ago, reason10 said:

So whales are being killed in mass numbers by silence?

Once again,  you prove to us that you are  LIAR.

Whales may be dying but there’s no evidence that windmills were the cause.  
 

You definitely better not sub in for a science teacher. Stick with finger painting. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You have got to be kidding.

Welp - there goes your credibility out the window

Nothing on earth that moves does so without creating noise. It's just the way of things.  A gigantic propeller spinning in the wind on a giant poll is going to produce a LOT of noise and vibration (which is noise).  Go take a pinwheel out into the wind and see if you can hear it when it spins.  Try making a silent one.

Wind turbines produce about 80 db of noise each - EACH - and in clusters are so loud that health canada did research into how much they affect humans that they're near.  In water that sounds travels a LONG way and a few dozen of them would be quite a racket.

 

You’re ignoring the inverse square law and all that, but let’s cut the BS:

EVERY source of electricity production except solar creates electricity by using a turbine.  And here you are, pretending to be concerned about the environment, cause suddenly, “Turbines make noise! They must be bad!”

Nuclear reactor? Turbine 

Coal Plant? Turbine

Geothermal? Turbine

Natural Gas? Turbine

Hydroelectric dam? Turbine 

So… yeah; your FOS acting like suddenly turbines are some awful thing cause they generate sound.  You’re full of nonsense.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Rebound

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You’re ignoring the inverse square law and all that, but let’s cut the BS:

EVERY source of electricity production except solar creates electricity by using a turbine.  And here you are, pretending to be concerned about the environment, cause suddenly, “Turbines make noise! They must be bad!”

Nuclear reactor? Turbine 

Coal Plant? Turbine

Geothermal? Turbine

Natural Gas? Turbine

Hydroelectric dam? Turbine 

So… yeah; your FOS acting like suddenly turbines are some awful thing cause they generate sound.  You’re full of nonsense.

It's not the turbine itself, but the mechanism that drives the turbine (propeller blades) that produces most of the noise which has already been pointed out. 

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

It's not the turbine itself, but the mechanism that drives the turbine (propeller blades) that produces most of the noise which has already been pointed out. 

Propeller blade noise it not immersed in the water. It is the turbine which is directly connected to the water through the supporting shaft.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You’re ignoring the inverse square law and all that, but let’s cut the BS:

EVERY source of electricity production except solar creates electricity by using a turbine.  And here you are, pretending to be concerned about the environment, cause suddenly, “Turbines make noise! They must be bad!”

Nuclear reactor? Turbine 

Coal Plant? Turbine

Geothermal? Turbine

Natural Gas? Turbine

Hydroelectric dam? Turbine 

So… yeah; your FOS acting like suddenly turbines are some awful thing cause they generate sound.  You’re full of nonsense.

Nuclear reactor? NOT in the ocean.

Coal plant?  NOT in the ocean

Geothermal? NOT in the ocean

Natural Gas? NOT in the ocean.

Hydro dam?  NOT in the ocean.

Wind turbine farm stuck in the ocean ?   IN THE  OCEAN!!!!!! WITH THE WHALES!!! THATS THE ISSUE!!!

How is it POSSIBLE for you to be that stupid?  It's amazing you can hear ANYTHING over the sound of the rocks grinding in your head!

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Propeller blade noise it not immersed in the water. It is the turbine which is directly connected to the water through the supporting shaft.

The prop is connected to the turbine which is connected to the shaft.  And noises above water still transmit into the water in case you were confused.

Like... honestly how did you not realize those things? If the prop vibrates then those vibrations are going to be transmitted through the entire assembly

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Propeller blade noise it not immersed in the water. It is the turbine which is directly connected to the water through the supporting shaft.

The blades produce most of the noise which travels down the supporting structure into the water.

Info on blade frequency below.

https://eng.mst.dk/air-noise-waste/noise/wind-turbines/low-frequency-noise-from-wind-turbines/

[Rebound]

9 minutes ago, Legato said:

The blades produce most of the noise which travels down the supporting structure into the water.

Info on blade frequency below.

https://eng.mst.dk/air-noise-waste/noise/wind-turbines/low-frequency-noise-from-wind-turbines/

First you guys cite an article that says it’s the turbine then you cite an article that says it’s the blades. You’re just spreading BS as far as I’m concerned. No evidence that windmills harm whales or fish. 

Edited August 17, 2023 by Rebound

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

High frequency sounds are absorbed by water and barely travel at all.  

And?

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

And?

Answered above 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

The blades produce most of the noise which travels down the supporting structure into the water.

Info on blade frequency below.

https://eng.mst.dk/air-noise-waste/noise/wind-turbines/low-frequency-noise-from-wind-turbines/

Your cite does NOT support your claim, which is why you FAILED to quote anything that does.

 

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Most noise is caused by the rotation of the blades and resembles a periodic swish.

That swish is air noise which is not efficiently transmitted through the supporting column to the water.

Just like my fan at home, it is transmitted through the AIR.

[Legato]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your cite does NOT support your claim, which is why you FAILED to quote anything that does.

 

That swish is air noise which is not efficiently transmitted through the supporting column to the water.

Just like my fan at home, it is transmitted through the AIR.

Go read up on 2nd law of thermodynamics and apply that knowledge to the transfer of sound or any forms of energy from a higher to a lower level. Then study how different mediums transfer energy at different rates.

Maybe after that the decibel in your head will stop ringing.

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Go read up on 2nd law of thermodynamics and apply that knowledge to the transfer of sound or any forms of energy from a higher to a lower level. Then study how different mediums transfer energy at different rates.

Maybe after that the decibel in your head will stop ringing.

^Still no quote from YOUR CITE that supports YOUR OPINION.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nuclear reactor? NOT in the ocean.

Coal plant?  NOT in the ocean

Geothermal? NOT in the ocean

Natural Gas? NOT in the ocean.

Hydro dam?  NOT in the ocean.

Wind turbine farm stuck in the ocean ?   IN THE  OCEAN!!!!!! WITH THE WHALES!!! THATS THE ISSUE!!!

How is it POSSIBLE for you to be that stupid?  It's amazing you can hear ANYTHING over the sound of the rocks grinding in your head!

The prop is connected to the turbine which is connected to the shaft.  And noises above water still transmit into the water in case you were confused.

Like... honestly how did you not realize those things? If the prop vibrates then those vibrations are going to be transmitted through the entire assembly

You have a hypothesis, but a hypothesis is not a fact. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You have a hypothesis, but a hypothesis is not a fact. 

??????

No - that is fact.  Are you saying that natural gas generators are located in the ocean?

Bud - I'll admit, you don't usually come across as very smart.  And nobody here expects great thinking from you, but if you're saying you don't understand that objects located and anchored in the actual ocean transmit noise into the ocean while those which are not don't tend to do so, then you need to go back to elementary school.  It's pretty basic science.