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[User]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I cited all the facts in that article BEFORE you posted that link.

Interesting. If that were true, why did you ignorantly and falsely claim I was only citing the headline?

10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The original baseless accusation by you and CdnFox was that the entire 2 billion trees program was rolled into defence budget by Carney wasn’t the result of that article and in fact is directly disproven by it. 

Nope, I never made any such claim about the "entire" program. 

Listen, I will give you the benefit of the doubt here that you are just too stupid to keep track of who you are talking to on this one and not chop it up to your usual dishonesty. 

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS ARGUMENT ON BOTH THREADS I have said repeatedly that the military is only planting 14,500 trees as a normal part of its housing program and that is supported by the article. 

Except that this was not part of their normal housing program; it was part of the 2 billion trees program, as I have repeatedly provided evidence for. Quoted directly from the article you claimed to have read and used yourself. 

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Your article also confirms what I already said multiple times, which is that 2 Bn tree program is simply including the trees planted by other federal programs towards in its 2bn tree goal. 

Quote that part. Let's see where it says that. 

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You have gone so far down the rabbit hole you can’t even clearly articulate what you think the impropriety is.

Nope, I was quite clear:

Typical pathetic Beaver response. You accused me of only using the headline. I show you that I, in fact, quoted from the article. 

Instead of responding to that and admitting you were wrong, you change the subject. 

[BeaverFever]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

The military already has defined all the capabilities, remember this equipment is replacing our old and obsolete equipment...very few are new capabilities....the Military still runs and operates on doctrine for high intensity warfare....all thats change is the equipment is updated....

We ran a complete competition on track IFV years ago, the only thing that has changed is there is a few new players in the market and some products have been updated...the need is still there...Doctrine remains the same, and we have what we have in inventory right now is because it was chosen by politicians...not because it was cool or the military wanted a specific item (which happens rarely) Government needs and the military need rarely align, and government needs always win...I could give dozens of examples of equipment that was purchased by government that turned out to be crap, LSVW, MLVW, TAPV, LAV III, as just a few...but also lets add to that all the stuff we kept well past they due date....9MM pistols, F-18's, Frigates, leopard tanks, the list goes on and on, only because we were to cheap to buy new stuff...Most if not all of the equipment we buy is already been on the market for years...and the so has everything you need to know about sustainment and maintenance for a wide variety of countries that would be willing to share that info....

There are a few examples of procurement moving at light speed...when needed, C-17 transport aircraft, Leopard IIA4M /6M purchase or lease, G wagons, M777 purchase so the blue print is there...and if ever there was a case it would be now, our equipment is well past it's due date of it numbers are way to low...There is no reason, that if the government wanted to it could lite a fire under DND ass, and there could be contracts signed in the near term...As much of the research has already been done by Canada or by other closer allies...The sub program is an example of how fast we can go....that and the current subs being retired soon is also a huge motivator... 

In our case we know what we need , almost everything....and in a good majority of the cases we have dozens of allies that already operate this equipment, with many being artic nations as we are....we could cut the red tape and use this info to guide us into making sound decisions....sounds a lot better than letting politicians pick equipment out due to kick backs 

As you are well aware the Inflection Point army modernization program is a complete reset of strategy, structure and doctrine. And what people believed and thought “years ago” back during the age of GWOT and contributory warfare and US dependency is less relevant if not irrelevant.  The vehicles amd equipment we currently have or are actively acquiring are also different from what we had years ago and you can’t just buy random fleets if vehicles and gear without considering how they will work with the other vehicles and gear you have.
 

41 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

If we are not going to assist in opening the strait then we forfeit the right to complain about how high the fuel prices get... No we will sit back on our asses and wait until someone else does it....

Nope, disagree.  We can rightly complain about Trump’s ham-handed and ill-advised war that created this mess. It’s not our job to clean up Trump’s messes and that doesn’t invalidate our right to criticize him for making the mess. 

 

9 hours ago, John Stone said:

That said, it might be time for the U.S. to receive global support in getting Hormuz opened.

No thanks. Cleaning up Trumps mess is not our job and lets him off the hook for his massive incompetence. Let him hang.
 

Besides no amount of military assets in the area will give shipping companies and insurers the comfort they need to run that shooting gallery. Anti-mine and counter-drone systems aren’t perfect and the strait is so narrow, every shipper and their insurer knows that so long as the conflict continues the risk is extremely high no matter how how many warships and aircraft US or allies have out there. Mines and drones are hard to detect and strike without warning just the thought that they COULD be out there is enough to scare most of the ships away. 

[ironstone]

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Dude every western ally including Trump is supporting Ukraine and Canada has been supporting Ukraine since 2014 with the full support of the conservative government 

So you’re a nutjob to suggest that somehow Carney is doing something inappropriate or different and you’re a nutjob for suggesting just because he had a real job before he beca PM every single policy and decision he makes is motivated by a desire to reward his former employer.  You have zero evidence for either 

 

And this is an especially hilarious act of hypocrisy on your part considering how many BILLIONS your hero trump is ACTIVELY raking in from a number different sketchy schemes he has running with mysterious anonymous partners. Which you don’t seem bothered by at all. 

Yes, I am suggesting that financial incentives are playing a significant role in Carney's decision to support Ukraine for as long as it takes. You seem to forget that Carney has been strongly tied to the Liberals since 2020.

Carney's not motivated to reward his 'former employer'. I believe he's motivated to reward himself.

 

[User]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope, disagree.  We can rightly complain about Trump’s ham-handed and ill-advised war that created this mess. It’s not our job to clean up Trump’s messes and that doesn’t invalidate our right to criticize him for making the mess. 

It is not his mess if Iran chooses to retaliate against global shipping, and if you are going to cry about it, then pony up and do something. 

Go protect your interests. 

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Mines and drones are hard to detect and strike without warning just the thought that they COULD be out there is enough to scare most of the ships away. 

I came across a drone off the west coast of Vancouver Island last year. I wondered, what the heck is that, and pulled over for a closer look. It was about 3/4 the size of a stand up paddleboard. It had solar panels and a couple of antennas and radar reflector sticking out of some sort of brain box fibre-glassed into place that probably also contained the drive and electronics. It even had red and green running lights. It was being remotely operated from Victoria University.

It had a camera that turned to look at us as we stopped and it bobbed up and down when we waved at it. It couldn't have been cuter if a sea otter was riding it.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Procurement announcements are not easy these are costs that are booked and orders that are placed.

Where.  What orders? Show them to me.  When is the delivery date. 

Dude you lie constantly and consistently about this. 

There's nothing but announcements.  That's it. there's no 'orders' theres no purchases, there's no delivery dates and what military gear we DID buy went straight to the ukraine.  And while i don't particularly mind supporting ukraine against russia as a policy, it should NOT be at the expense of our own people. 

Why are you so eager to sell out our military?

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, User said:

Interesting. If that were true, why did you ignorantly and falsely claim I was only citing the headline?

Because that’s where this whole dumb argument started. The article you posted LATER supports my claims, not yours . 

 

6 hours ago, User said:

Nope, I never made any such claim about the "entire" program. 

Listen, I will give you the benefit of the doubt here that you are just too stupid to keep track of who you are talking to on this one and not chop it up to your usual dishonesty. 

You haven’t been clear on WHAT exactly you’re trying to claim you just go post to post trying to find smaller victories from one to next.  “Something something planting trees bad”

6 hours ago, User said:

Except that this was not part of their normal housing program; it was part of the 2 billion trees program, as I have repeatedly provided evidence for. Quoted directly from the article you claimed to have read and used yourself. 

This is where you’re jumping to conclusions.  And once again I have directly addressed this with you numerous times, which you refuse to acknowledge. Nowhere does the article say the military only planted these trees because of the program or that  if it weren’t for the program they wouldn’t have planted any trees at all. It says the trees they plan to plant will be counted towards the program, FULL STOP.
I have pointed out repeatedly that:

- this is also true of several other federal departments most of whom planted several times more trees that the military, including the agency who just looks after the federal monuments around the city of Ottawa.

-  14,500 trees over 5 years across numerous bases and facilities coast to coast is trivial and normal for a military and a fraction of what just one city would plant in a normal year 

- the 14,500 trees was planned YEARS before Carney was PM and well before Canada was even claiming they would spend 2%

so the whole “plot to intentionally distort the defence budget” unravels right there

 

Which whittles your argument down to “fine maybe it was totally business as normal and nothing unusual about the tree planting and it’s a trivial amount but it should still shouldn’t be counted as defence spending” but as Inhave also told you that’s just how it is everywhere even i. Trump’s America its part of maintenance and upkeep of bases and housing and its paid for out of the defence budget. Part of running a military is managing the property, and part of managing the property includes planting a few trees now and then. It’s that simple. 
 

 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Where.  What orders? Show them to me.  When is the delivery date. 

Dude you lie constantly and consistently about this. 

There's nothing but announcements.  That's it. there's no 'orders' theres no purchases, there's no delivery dates and what military gear we DID buy went straight to the ukraine.  And while i don't particularly mind supporting ukraine against russia as a policy, it should NOT be at the expense of our own people. 

Why are you so eager to sell out our military?

I’ve been filling up this thread with the details of them since 2023 dipshit including 6 in the past week. Why don’t you read for once. 

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, ironstone said:

Yes, I am suggesting that financial incentives are playing a significant role in Carney's decision to support Ukraine for as long as it takes. You seem to forget that Carney has been strongly tied to the Liberals since 2020.

Carney's not motivated to reward his 'former employer'. I believe he's motivated to reward himself.

 

Your claims are stupid, illogical and have zero basis in fact

You have no evidence that Carney is greedy or corrupt self-dealing in fact the evidence of his life suggests the opposite.  If he had accepted the invitation to run as a conservative instead of a liberal you would be singing his praises  You are just a silly partisan hack. 

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, User said:

It is not his mess if Iran chooses to retaliate against global shipping, and if you are going to cry about it, then pony up and do something. 

Go protect your interests. 

Sorry, you break it, you buy it. We tried to warn you. 
 

Refusing to enable Trump’s destructive and destabilizing stupidity by cleaning up his messes  is protecting our interests. Trump has been attacking all of us, no way in Hell are we going to put troops in harm’s way and waste already scarce military resources to help him look good and avoid a shellacking in the midterms for his epic failure.

I cannot think of a more disgusting and disgraceful image than dead Canadian troops coming home in coffins for defending the vanity arrogance and incompetent stupidity of Donald Trump.   
 

Trump said America doesn’t need anything from Canada or NATO so let him prove it. 

Edited March 19 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I’ve been filling up this thread with the details of them since 2023 

Nice attempt at deflection. We're talking about the deals carney has signed this year that you claim are actually purchases and aren't just announcements.

Was Carney elected in 2023?

I don't expect you to be right very often but you don't have to be a lying sack of crap either. You know damn well what we were discussing

[John Stone]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes it is and there is a lot of pavement in the world today...All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing....that's Canada right now...

So you were ok with the status quo, being good with Iranian government slaughtering their citizens, spreading terrorism around the region, and killing thousands...and now holding the world hostage as they have a hissy fit over being forced to comply ......and this is the country you think should have a nuke....Not sure why I'm asking even Carney can not make up his mind who's side he is on...and his government certainly does not know either...

If we are not going to assist in opening the strait then we forfeit the right to complain about how high the fuel prices get... No we will sit back on our asses and wait until someone else does it....

Considering the state of the Canadian military ............. emphasis on NAVY ......... it is likely wishful thinking that Canada has anything to contribute. 

 

 

[John Stone]

North America is an oil producing giant. 

Absurd to think that the Continent can be held hostage by fickle events occurring in the Middle East. 

.......... not a stretch to consider it a threat to National Security for all concerned. 

Might be time to make at least US / Canada immune by looking into a state owned venture aimed specifically at  domestic markets. 

 

[BeaverFever]

RCAF completes live fire testing of new medium range missile for CF-18

 Summarize

July 3, 2024

The combat capability of the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CF-18 Hornets cleared a milestone last month, according to the Department of National Defence (DND). 

In a recent post on LinkedIn, the Assistant Deputy Minister (Materiel) branch said the RCAF had completed live fire testing of the AIM-120D-3 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) in February during an exercise known as Combat Archer at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida.  

“The AIM‑120D‑3 enhances the CF‑18’s ability to engage threats at a long range and strengthens Canada’s readiness for NORAD and NATO missions, including the defence of Canada and the Arctic,” ADM (Mat) wrote. 

The AMRAAM is one of two new missiles being integrated into the CF-18’s suite of weapons. The RCAF previously tested and approved the AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder short-range air-to-air missile for operations. 

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https://skiesmag.com/news/rcaf-completes-live-fire-testing-of-new-medium-range-missile-for-cf-18/

 

[John Stone]

47 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 

RCAF completes live fire testing of new medium range missile for CF-18

 

 Summarize

 

July 3, 2024

The combat capability of the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CF-18 Hornets cleared a milestone last month, according to the Department of National Defence (DND). 

In a recent post on LinkedIn, the Assistant Deputy Minister (Materiel) branch said the RCAF had completed live fire testing of the AIM-120D-3 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) in February during an exercise known as Combat Archer at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida.  

“The AIM‑120D‑3 enhances the CF‑18’s ability to engage threats at a long range and strengthens Canada’s readiness for NORAD and NATO missions, including the defence of Canada and the Arctic,” ADM (Mat) wrote. 

The AMRAAM is one of two new missiles being integrated into the CF-18’s suite of weapons. The RCAF previously tested and approved the AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder short-range air-to-air missile for operations. 

…
 

https://skiesmag.com/news/rcaf-completes-live-fire-testing-of-new-medium-range-missile-for-cf-18/

 

.............. believe these are the same weapons introduced into the USAF decades ago. 

[ironstone]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Your claims are stupid, illogical and have zero basis in fact

You have no evidence that Carney is greedy or corrupt self-dealing in fact the evidence of his life suggests the opposite.  If he had accepted the invitation to run as a conservative instead of a liberal you would be singing his praises  You are just a silly partisan hack. 

No evidence that he's greedy? He's got fingers in just about every pie lol. He does have a history of fudging the 'truth' as well. He has met and will continue to meet with Brookfield executives despite the blind trust.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/mark-carney-keeps-showing-he-has-a-problem-with-the-truth

https://torontosun.com/news/national/federal_elections/lilley-carney-continues-to-lie-his-way-through-campaign

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1572727880620941

He has no qualms about lying and he gets pissed if a reporter dares to call him out on it.

His web is truly massive and convoluted.  https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVIgUjvog=/

[User]

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Because that’s where this whole dumb argument started. The article you posted LATER supports my claims, not yours . 

You did not actually address the question or the point... again. Typical dishonest behavior from the cowardly Beaver. 

You claimed I quoted the headline and didn't read it. I did not quote the headline; I quoted from the article. 

Once again, you were wrong. You continue to be wrong. You continue to avoid the actual point and own up to it. 

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You haven’t been clear on WHAT exactly you’re trying to claim you just go post to post trying to find smaller victories from one to next.  “Something something planting trees bad”

You claimed that I said "entire" and now claim I was not clear. So, you admit you were just making shit up then?

Once again, you avoid the point, avoid admitting you were wrong... 

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

This is where you’re jumping to conclusions.

No, I literally quoted the article that said it. 

The Department of National Defence will plant nearly 14,500 trees on military housing sites over the next five years as part of the federal government’s two billion trees program.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/08/09/news/department-national-defence-planting-trees-military-housing-sites

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

It says the trees they plan to plant will be counted towards the program, FULL STOP.

Nope, it literally said:

as part of the federal government’s two billion trees program.

[User]

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Sorry, you break it, you buy it. We tried to warn you. 
 

Refusing to enable Trump’s destructive and destabilizing stupidity by cleaning up his messes  is protecting our interests. Trump has been attacking all of us, no way in Hell are we going to put troops in harm’s way and waste already scarce military resources to help him look good and avoid a shellacking in the midterms for his epic failure.

I cannot think of a more disgusting and disgraceful image than dead Canadian troops coming home in coffins for defending the vanity arrogance and incompetent stupidity of Donald Trump.   
 

Trump said America doesn’t need anything from Canada or NATO so let him prove it. 

We did not break it, Iran did. 

If you don't want to help, stop crying about it. 

 

[User]

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I’ve been filling up this thread with the details of them since 2023 dipshit including 6 in the past week. Why don’t you read for once. 

Has Canada met their NATO spending obligations in 2023, 2024, or 2025?

 

[ironstone]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Your claims are stupid, illogical and have zero basis in fact

You have no evidence that Carney is greedy or corrupt self-dealing in fact the evidence of his life suggests the opposite.  If he had accepted the invitation to run as a conservative instead of a liberal you would be singing his praises  You are just a silly partisan hack. 

https://www.carneywatch.ca/brookfield/index.html#meetings

https://www.carneywatch.ca/#conflicts

It's all here, you just have to want to actually be open and read about it.  https://www.carneywatch.ca/

[CdnFox]

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

To be clear all personal appointments to government are people known and trusted by the PM or Minister make the appointment they don’t put a want ad in the local PennySaver. Stephen Harper’s roster of appointees was full of Conservative party fundraisers and failed election candidates. The only difference between Carney and his predecessors is that Carney chose people with proven and extensive private sector management experience and extensive industry contacts rather than party hacks. 
 

So rather than hire somebody who had any military experience or any procurement experience he went with a banker who was a buddy

And you have absolutely no problem with this at all? That was the correct: Your mind? I think here is where we're going to find out if you're nothing more than a partisan hack or not

 

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Categorically false  

Categorically true you liar.

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Also false 

Absolutely true and not false at all.

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Are you clueless enough to believe that you sign a trade deal with a country on a Monday and your trade increases on a Tuesday?

That is almost literally how it works. Trade began increasing with America like a week after we signed the free trade agreement originally. Most of the time when we've signed other trade agreements businesses are lining up to take advantage. Within a month there should be a noticeable increase.

So why are we decreasing?

You're such a twat you didn't even look at the history of this before making a dumbass statement that you just hoped was true. Read a bit of history

I'm curious, obviously you were wrong to say what you said and obviously it's not true but just out of curiosity how many months did you think it would take before I trade agreement would be acted upon by companies looking to make money? How many years did you think it would take before that would kick in?

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

RCAF completes live fire testing of new medium range missile for CF-18

 

 Summarize

 

July 3, 2024

The combat capability of the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CF-18 Hornets cleared a milestone last month, according to the Department of National Defence (DND). 

In a recent post on LinkedIn, the Assistant Deputy Minister (Materiel) branch said the RCAF had completed live fire testing of the AIM-120D-3 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) in February during an exercise known as Combat Archer at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida.  

“The AIM‑120D‑3 enhances the CF‑18’s ability to engage threats at a long range and strengthens Canada’s readiness for NORAD and NATO missions, including the defence of Canada and the Arctic,” ADM (Mat) wrote. 

The AMRAAM is one of two new missiles being integrated into the CF-18’s suite of weapons. The RCAF previously tested and approved the AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder short-range air-to-air missile for operations. 

…
 

https://skiesmag.com/news/rcaf-completes-live-fire-testing-of-new-medium-range-missile-for-cf-18/

 

How many did we buy?

[Army Guy]

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

As you are well aware the Inflection Point army modernization program is a complete reset of strategy, structure and doctrine. And what people believed and thought “years ago” back during the age of GWOT and contributory warfare and US dependency is less relevant if not irrelevant.  The vehicles amd equipment we currently have or are actively acquiring are also different from what we had years ago and you can’t just buy random fleets if vehicles and gear without considering how they will work with the other vehicles and gear you have.
 

Nope, disagree.  We can rightly complain about Trump’s ham-handed and ill-advised war that created this mess. It’s not our job to clean up Trump’s messes and that doesn’t invalidate our right to criticize him for making the mess. 

 

No thanks. Cleaning up Trumps mess is not our job and lets him off the hook for his massive incompetence. Let him hang.
 

Besides no amount of military assets in the area will give shipping companies and insurers the comfort they need to run that shooting gallery. Anti-mine and counter-drone systems aren’t perfect and the strait is so narrow, every shipper and their insurer knows that so long as the conflict continues the risk is extremely high no matter how how many warships and aircraft US or allies have out there. Mines and drones are hard to detect and strike without warning just the thought that they COULD be out there is enough to scare most of the ships away. 

I'm very aware of the armies, new shuffling around the chess pieces, to make it look like new structure, and new strategy but really that's all it is, moving the chess pieces around, even though they are the same chess pieces that do not give us any new capabilities, or strengths, look at it, making a maneuver element, then a huge logistical element, we had all of that for decades it is the same pig with new paint...

As for doctrine, the only thing that has changed is the North has been given a larger role, and new attention. Take a deeper dive into the investments that will be made like new highways , new infra structure that are duel purpose like indigenous and military applications.....and yes there is some equipment and military infra structure mixed in there, but  like i said before Everyone and their dog is jumping on board this military restructuring  train and they want a piece...this is two targets with one stone...Not say it is a bad plan, but there is a lot to unpack and it is not all military driven...that's just how it is being sold 

How is the new equipment any different from what we had...F-18 replaced with F-35, Halifax frigates replaced by Type 26, old subs being replaced by new subs...LeoIIA4M/6M Canada is looking at the new LeoIIA8...New SPA systems being looked at, new Air defense platforms being looked at, I see a pattern here, old stuff being replaced by much newer stuff, very little new stuff is being introduced....drones...other than that same stuff different packaging...

That is one way to look at it, what i see is one of the worlds largest terrorist networks being dismantled, i see it as the US doing us all a favor...I see after Iran is finished, then stability to the region will come...and for that i would gladly pay extra at the pump, and i would gladly support trumps war...Most of Canada is bi!ching at the price of gas....we over look that Iran is responsible for most of the terrorism in that region, most of the instability of the region, this is not their first time using the straight as a hostage....

Canadians would rather all of that go about it's business than pay extra at the pump...hoping it does not effect us at home....well surprise MFer here it is, pay the man at the pump... and be inconvenienced, than get rid of one of the globes terrorist puppets masters... You can sit at home and bi!ch, and do nothing to fix the problem and continue to pay at the pump....or do the adult thing and assist in fixing the issue opening up the straight and paying less at the pumps...

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, John Stone said:

Considering the state of the Canadian military ............. emphasis on NAVY ......... it is likely wishful thinking that Canada has anything to contribute. 

 

 

People have been bragging about our Halifax frigates for decades now...they went to the gulf war , even had air defense Man pads put onboard , by some air defenders , we also have mine sweepers...CF-18 to fly CAP, it's funny when we talk about military capabilities and what they are capable of....

Here is a chance to prove we either have a military force capable of doing it's job....or we don't and should be embarrassed of the state of our current military limitations. And if we are not willing to deploy them because of the lack of equipment then we meaning all of us, should step up and demand action..... not in 2030, 2035 but today....or we start using the highway of hero's again because we as a nation are to cheap to protect our young men and women... which as been the plan for decades now...

 

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

You can sit at home and bi!ch, and do nothing to fix the problem and continue to pay at the pump....or do the adult thing and assist in fixing the issue opening up the straight and paying less at the pumps...

We didn't cause the issue, weren't given a heads up the issue was coming, and have seen our economy trying to be dismantled by him.  He caused the problem, needs help and you're of the mindset we should do the 'adult thing' is helping him out of his own mess.  Certainly wouldn't get my vote, or I'm guessing that majority of Canadian's votes either.

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Here is a chance to prove we either have a military force capable of doing it's job...

What is that exactly in today's might makes right world?

I support building a spaceport in NS, launching a handful of nuclear bombs into orbit, telling the world to not even think about it and...Bob's your uncle.

I bet we could easily do that for a tenth of the cost of COVID.

Tax the 1% to pay for it and ordinary Canadians wouldn't even notice.

Edited March 19 by eyeball