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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

We already did that decades ago, along with everyone else, when we ignored the science not to mention the economics.

Economists have always known adapting to climate change would cost far far in excess of what talking action would have cost.  It'll make COVID look like a sale at Thrifty's. 

I wonder how long it'll take to notice the frog in the pot has already died?

Maybe it's just pining for the fijords.

The past is the past.  The developed world wanted ever increasing living standards and the rest of the world wanted to be like the developed countries.  I'm talking about today and looking at what is best for Canada in the reality of today.  Righteous poverty won't sell to Canadians. 

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13 hours ago, herbie said:

As usual the right has it ass-backwards. They consider economics above the science. Most of the dolts here that define themselves as the right consider economics and not the science, nor the consequences. So they're not right at all, they're wrong.

The science says there's nothing Canada can do to impact climate change. In fact, at this point there's not much ANYONE can do. Something as vast as the global climate takes a very long time to change. The weather you're seeing is a result of what we did 40 years ago. We won't see the results of today's level of emissions until 2073. Well, probably not me, but the world. And we're not going to be cutting emissions for many years to come as the developing world continues to build coal plants. 

So the only logical thing is to do what we can to adjust to a warmer world, and not spend all our money and beggar our economy on a fruitless quest to meet some arbitrary goal and timeline so Truedope can flex and smirk at his admirers because he achieved 'net zero'. 

Spending $1.7 trillion for effectively NO gain is the height of insanity and narcissism.

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10 hours ago, Tony Hladun said:

The past is the past.  The developed world wanted ever increasing living standards and the rest of the world wanted to be like the developed countries.  I'm talking about today and looking at what is best for Canada in the reality of today.  Righteous poverty won't sell to Canadians. 

There were lots of us who also wanted to take action on climate change but sure, the past is past - so let's talk about the future.  We'll be as impoverished as anyone else by the cost of trying to accommodate millions upon millions of refugees.  85% of the human population lives in the 'developing world'. There'll be billions of them around the planet trying to flee the effects of climate change.  They'll still want to be just like us...survivors IOW.

The biggest cost of adaptation will be our humanity.  I suspect deniers and people who choose to believe climate change is a hoax will be the first to give up theirs - if they haven't already.  It'll be interesting watching them sell Canadians on becoming more like them.

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The pointlessness and stupidity of our climate reduction efforts are entirely the result of decades of denial. 

You guys have won but seem strangely depressed nonetheless.

As for those of us who've seen what's coming we have years of vindication to look forward to.

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

The pointlessness and stupidity of our climate reduction efforts are entirely the result of decades of denial. 

You guys have won but seem strangely depressed nonetheless.

As for those of us who've seen what's coming we have years of vindication to look forward to.

What's up with you? The last few days you sound more and more like Miata and Herbie had a love child and he's pissed.

Lots of people like you were  concerned about pollution and climate change for decades - most people in fact had it on their top ten priorities list.

But UNFORTUNATELY- people like you kept voting liberal.   The liberals would promise to do something about it and NEVER EVER DID.  Not ONE thing.

But you and yours kept rewarding them with gov'ts. 

Cretien actually said "Sure, you go and you promise but you never do anything" (talking about climate conventions like kyoto and paris).

 

So sorry kiddo -  it's still on you. If you do nothing and sit back while it happens you're no better than those who didn't say something and also sat back.

 

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Hey Methuselah, that's an eye blink.

 

Hey m0ron - not in human lives - and not compared to adaption which can happen in a few short years.

IF we used your stupid logic then we'd say "what's the problem - historically in no time at all it should start cooling again, give it a few thousand years before you worry about it.


God you're an !diot.

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

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Yeah - you think your support of the libs is worth laughing over.  But - don't complain that nothing's been done about climate change then.

It's not conservatives that prevent something happening about climate change, it's people like you who prefer promises to action and keep giving the libs a free ride.

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57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

God you're an !diot.

I'm an !diot for doubting a right winger who always thought anthropogenic climate change was a hoax who suddenly knows what to do about it? Okay, I'll bite. Let's hear it...  strategies timelines, budgets be etc etc.

But don't waste your time on me submit these to the IPCC. I guarantee if you're right they'll rename every school on Earth after you and you'll be buried under such a pile of panties that even Steven Tyler would blush.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I'm an !diot for doubting a right winger who always thought anthropogenic climate change was a hoax who suddenly knows what to do about it? 

You're referring to me?  I've never even suggested or hinted it's a hoax.

But you ARE an !diot for yet again having to lie to make your point   :)

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Okay, I'll bite. Let's hear it...  strategies timelines, budgets be etc etc.

That would be your job. My plan was to adapt not try to solve the problem .

So - that would be on YOU to come up with a plan.  You're INSISTANT we can do something meaninful - so lets hear it - whatcha got?

 

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But don't waste your time on me

But you're so funny to watch - like a puppy chasing it's own tail and then crapping on itself :) 

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52 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're referring to me?  I've never even suggested or hinted it's a hoax.

Sure, I believe that about as far as I can spit. You're obviously full of shit and it's no surprise you're embarrassed to admit being a liar like so many other deniers in the face of reality.  Who also suddenly seem to be converts to the idea of adaptation interestingly enough.

One year you say?  Still trying to lie our way out of this are you??

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sure, I believe that about as far as I can spit.

LOL - remember  kiddo i've told you a million times - i f you have to lie to make a point you haven't got a very good point

Closest i've come to 'denying' it is to say to those who question it that in the end it doesnt' matter what they believe, the climate is changing and we have to look at how to handle that.

Poor kid :)    I can hear your brain overheating from here  LOL :)

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Who also suddenly seem to be converts to the idea of adaptation interestingly enough.

Maybe - common sense is common sense and everyone except you loonie liberals know that

I think the idea will catch on pretty fast considering we've had 7 years of "fix the climate" from justin and you and nothing has changed.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

One year you say?  Still trying to lie our way out of this are you?

Yep one year.  In fact - it took less than one year in bc for them to begin.  Seniors who can't afford air conditioners are being provided with one to make sure they don't die during extreme heat events. Announced a month or so ago - they're startnig already.  They're also prioviding Nearly free heat pumps to a lot of low income people.  This was announced a month ago and i know one person who's got them coming to check out the place and prepare for the install in a week or so,

That only took a few months.

LOL -  imagine insisting we coudln't begin to adapt in a year when we've been doing just that in months! LOL - you look stupid, desperate and foolish. Honestly it's a good look for you,  it just seems to fit  :)  

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

imagine insisting we coudln't begin to adapt in a year

Except you insisted we could adapt in a year - crisis solved IOW.

Good grief man, you'd have to be dumber than a bucket full of doggie bags to imagine you can just back peddle like that without anyone noticing.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Except you insisted we could adapt in a year - crisis solved IOW.

 

Except  no, i didn't.  I actually said we could in "a few short years' :)  The "one year " was you, not me ROTFLMAO :)  
 

But even then the two programs i mentioned will be completed this year.  Started and finished in the same year - imagine that.  And it solved a serious issue.

Adapting takes very little time. As i actually said - a few short years and we could have air conditioning solutions deployed for all vunerable groups such as the homeless and elderly.  WE could have massively improved forest management and wildfire fighting teams and hardware like serious bombers.  WE could adapt in all kind of other ways.  It's pretty simple.  And it doesn't mean we can't take meaningful steps towards developing tech that really will make a difference in teh world and cutting down our own emissions where we can.

But we've got too many 'tards like you who would rather virtue signal than to something  :)  Imagine claiming that adaptation takes longer than climate change :) LOLOL

 

I do love how you're making your own stuff up and pretending i said it  and arguing against it now tho,  that's hilarious :)

 

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8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I actually said we could in "a few short years'

What you actually said is it could happen next year but have it your mealy mouthed way. My point that it'll take much longer and be vastly more expensive than taking action decades ago would have still stands

And the biggest cost will be due to the displacement of hundreds of millions of people.

Like I said, it'll dwarf COVID spending. It'll look like the allowance your mom gives you in comparison to adapting to climate change. There's little reason to doubt you guys will be back in denial mode once it starts dawning on you just how costly it'll be and for how long.

Here's, start figuring it out yourself.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+climate+change+adaptation&oq=&aqs=chrome.0.69i59i450l15.-1j0j7&client=ms-android-telus-ca-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

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On 8/5/2023 at 8:59 AM, CdnFox said:

Just when i think you can't say something more ridiculous.

Man made climate change takes many decades.  Adaption can happen next year. 

Actually man made climate change has happened very quickly, in a couple of centuries rather than millennia. Adaption to what if warming is accelerating? I'm starting to wonder if we haven't already reached a tipping point. 

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20 hours ago, herbie said:

And STILL do.

So let's just stick our thumbs up our ass and give up then, eh? Good suggestion.... not.

That's an interesting response. I say that at this point there's nothing we can do. And rather than disagreeing and pointing out what we perhaps CAN do you simply throw out what appears to be a silly ass complaint that I don't want to do anything.

But if you want to do something that might actually impact global warming - what is it? You don't actually have any ideas, do you? Bankrupt ourselves to virtue signal? Is that what you want us to do?

On 8/5/2023 at 11:43 AM, eyeball said:

It's only taken us an eyeblink in the scheme of things.

Its adapting that takes a long time.

Adapting doesn't take that long. It's trying to change it that would take a very long time. 

So far no one seems much interested in adapting.

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23 hours ago, eyeball said:

The pointlessness and stupidity of our climate reduction efforts are entirely the result of decades of denial. 

You guys have won but seem strangely depressed nonetheless.

As for those of us who've seen what's coming we have years of vindication to look forward to.

What do you imagine we could have done anyway? Tell China to not build coal plants? Think that would've worked?

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And the biggest cost will be due to the displacement of hundreds of millions of people.

Not to Canada.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Like I said, it'll dwarf COVID spending.

Will it? According to the Conference Board of Canada just the cost of decarbonizing the electric grid will be $1.7 TRILLION. And of course, there's tons more costs on top of that, including whole networks of charging stations for electric cars, the costs of the cars themselves, the cost of destroying our natural resource industry, etc.

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1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

What do you imagine we could have done anyway? Tell China to not build coal plants? Think that would've worked?

That would have been the result if we'd kept our economic growth down to a sustainable level - that sort of talk of course only triggered the economic alarmism deniers are most famous for.

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1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Not to Canada.

Will it? According to the Conference Board of Canada just the cost of decarbonizing the electric grid will be $1.7 TRILLION. And of course, there's tons more costs on top of that, including whole networks of charging stations for electric cars, the costs of the cars themselves, the cost of destroying our natural resource industry, etc.

You just answered your own question.

You guys will be abandoning the whole adaptation bandwagon by the end of the thread.

Adaptation isn't going to happen any sooner or more than action did once the kicking and screaming picks up steam.

 

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20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You just answered your own question.

You guys will be abandoning the whole adaptation bandwagon by the end of the thread.

Adaptation isn't going to happen any sooner or more than action did once the kicking and screaming picks up steam.

 

I don't know. Adaptation has the benefit that it actually works and that it will actually help you and your organization whereas reducing carbon emissions produces no noticeable benefit. 

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