Boycotting Schools Over Pride Events

[Zeitgeist]

Halton Catholic District School Board, Niagara Catholic, Ottawa Catholic, and Toronto Catholic District School Board are openly defying Catholic teachings on gender ideology and sexuality.  Some of these boards are having Pride flag raising days and requiring all schools to be festooned in Pride symbols.

Some “Catholic” boards have elevated the representation of lifestyles and identities that are sins according to the Catholic Church.  They have made Pride flags mandatory in all schools.

Should a separate school board continue to exist that no longer promotes the faith that is the reason for a separate Catholic system to exist?

Should families be forced to accept symbols in their schools that violate their beliefs and rights such as women’s rights?

Are children’s rights being protected by ideology that “affirms” gender expression over biological reality?

Should schools be in the business of promoting choices that may result in mutilation that is regretted later on?

Families are beginning to question the indoctrination underway.  Some families are no longer accepting attacks on their values.

[Michael Hardner]

Some of these concerns are legitimate, other ones are being blown out of proportion for political reasons.

In terms of the Catholic faith, things are definitely changing.   Now the faith is not immutable, however the line between loving The sinner and loving the sin is becoming blurry.

 

 

[Nationalist]

Just another attack on the pillars of society. 

[Boges]

Homophobia is seeing a massive resurgence in 2023. 

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

Homophobia is seeing a massive resurgence in 2023. 

Evidence?

[West]

15 hours ago, Boges said:

Homophobia is seeing a massive resurgence in 2023. 

And so it should... 

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, West said:

And so it should... 

Do you think that we should make same sex acts illegal again?  

[Boges]

14 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Evidence?

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2218558020001#:~:text=Ontario's York Catholic District School,to board meetings several times.

Pride is nothing new. Pride Parades were popular in Canada in the 90's. 

The idea that promoting Gay Pride is grooming children for pedophiles is gross hatred. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/target-controversy-far-right-lgbtq-1234743159/

[Boges]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do you think that we should make same sex acts illegal again?  

They think promoting "Pride" is promoting deviant sexual behaviour and kids shouldn't be exposed to that. Completely ignoring the fact that they're basically telling Gay kids that something is wrong with them.

The exact opposite of the Love they propose they get from Jesus. 

 

[West]

40 minutes ago, Boges said:

They think promoting "Pride" is promoting deviant sexual behaviour and kids shouldn't be exposed to that. Completely ignoring the fact that they're basically telling Gay kids that something is wrong with them.

The exact opposite of the Love they propose they get from Jesus. 

 

Bingo. Dudes walking around with assless chaps or celebrities wearing giant sized strap on isn't child friendly. It's perverted

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, West said:

Bingo. Dudes walking around with assless chaps...

Ok do you support government restrictions on immodest clothing?

An example might be imposing some kind of hooded garment on women?

[Boges]

17 minutes ago, West said:

Bingo. Dudes walking around with assless chaps or celebrities wearing giant sized strap on isn't child friendly. It's perverted

Oh but IG models promoting hetrosexuality, wearing almost nothing, is all good. Because that's how God intended it?

How Shirtless Gym Bros showing off their Gains? 

The fact "you people" associate anything LBGT with sexually explicit things, shows your perversion not the perversion of the Pride movement. 

A Rainbow flag is a symbol of acceptance. Not a dogwhistle for pedophilia. 

Now the Catholic Church. . . 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Boges

[West]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok do you support government restrictions on immodest clothing?

An example might be imposing some kind of hooded garment on women?

You believe that men should be flapping their genitals around in assless chaps in front of 6 year olds? 

58 minutes ago, Boges said:

Oh but IG models promoting hetrosexuality, wearing almost nothing, is all good. Because that's how God intended it?

How Shirtless Gym Bros showing off their Gains? 

The fact "you people" associate anything LBGT with sexually explicit things, shows your perversion not the perversion of the Pride movement. 

A Rainbow flag is a symbol of acceptance. Not a dogwhistle for pedophilia. 

Now the Catholic Church. . . 

This is what you are defending...

[Zeitgeist]

46 minutes ago, Boges said:

Oh but IG models promoting hetrosexuality, wearing almost nothing, is all good. Because that's how God intended it?

How Shirtless Gym Bros showing off their Gains? 

The fact "you people" associate anything LBGT with sexually explicit things, shows your perversion not the perversion of the Pride movement. 

A Rainbow flag is a symbol of acceptance. Not a dogwhistle for pedophilia. 

Now the Catholic Church. . . 

You have a narrow interpretation of the significance of the “rainbow flag”, which can only be explained in terms of alternative sexual lifestyles/attractions and alternative genders to biological ones.  Is this appropriate subject matter for young students to discuss?  Your leap to “dogwhistle for pedophila” illustrates how politically charged this symbol is and how radical your interpretation is of anyone who doesn’t accept all of the assumptions of the symbol.  Questioning gender expression as opposed to biological gender, questioning the risks of transition surgeries and hormone blockers for children, and the notion of affirming whatever a child feels today doesn’t automatically make someone homophobic or uncaring.  It’s this refusal to question assumptions and consider implications that has made many people, especially parents, question the raising of pride flags or other 2SLGBT+ symbols in schools.

For many Catholics, who are now seeing these images elevated to the level of the crucifix or beyond, it is hard to reconcile.  Their Faith already recognizes all people as created in the image of God and worthy of love.  Having a select group of identities represented sends a strange message.  The flag doesn’t represent everyone and it puts groups together that don’t necessarily have the same concerns, such as gay and trans.  It’s emblematic of an ideological bandwagon.  People are seeing that, including within the 2SLGBTQ+ community, which isn’t really a single community where everyone has the same views.  Isn’t it better to speak of all people and their uniqueness?  In any event, the symbol has become divisive.  

[Boges]

19 minutes ago, West said:

You believe that men should be flapping their genitals around in assless chaps in front of 6 year olds? 

This is what you are defending...

No. I'm calling you a bigot for associating that with the ideals of Pride. 

What is the context of this image used? 

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You have a narrow interpretation of the significance of the “rainbow flag”, which can only be explained in terms of alternative sexual lifestyles/attractions and alternative genders to biological ones.  Is this appropriate subject matter for young students to discuss?  

YES! Some may already have homosexual inclinations and other may have Gay parental figures. To pretend like Homosexuality doesn't exist is ignorance. 

 

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Questioning gender expression as opposed to biological gender, questioning the risks of transition surgeries and hormone blockers for children, and the notion of affirming whatever a child feels today doesn’t automatically make someone homophobic or uncaring.  It’s this refusal to question assumptions and consider implications that has made many people, especially parents, question the raising of pride flags or other 2SLGBT+ symbols in schools.

Sure but banning elements of Pride does. ==

 

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For many Catholics, who are now seeing these images elevated to the level of the crucifix or beyond, it is hard to reconcile.  Their Faith already recognizes all people as created in the image of God and worthy of love.  Having a select group of identities represented sends a strange message.  The flag doesn’t represent everyone and it puts groups together that don’t necessarily have the same concerns, such as gay and trans.  It’s emblematic of an ideological bandwagon.  People are seeing that, including within the 2SLGBTQ+ community, which isn’t really a single community where everyone has the same views.  Isn’t it better to speak of all people and their uniqueness?  In any event, the symbol has become divisive.  

It's become divisive because because people won't accept that people can have different sexual preferences and that's OK. 

[Zeitgeist]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

YES! Some may already have homosexual inclinations and other may have Gay parental figures. To pretend like Homosexuality doesn't exist is ignorance. 

 

Sure but banning elements of Pride does. ==

 

It's become divisive because because people won't accept that people can have different sexual preferences and that's OK. 

You miss it completely by assuming that not having a Pride flag means you don’t understand or respect that some people have different sexual preferences and identities.  Not displaying a particular Indigenous group’s flag doesn’t make someone anti-Indigenous.  You’re rehashing a pitch that doesn’t ring true to many people.  

Edited May 31, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Not displaying a particular Indigenous group’s flag doesn’t make someone anti-Indigenous.  You’re rehashing a pitch that doesn’t ring true to many people.  

But opposing to display of such things certainly does. 

Ultimately the idea is that exposure the reality that homosexuality exists perverts youth is what's being spouted by those looking to remove anything Pride related. 

[Zeitgeist]

19 minutes ago, Boges said:

But opposing to display of such things certainly does. 

Ultimately the idea is that exposure the reality that homosexuality exists perverts youth is what's being spouted by those looking to remove anything Pride related. 

No, you’re making assumptions and not respecting the range of perspectives on a symbol that people have defensible reasons not to want front and centre on public schools that their children are required to attend.  

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No, you’re making assumptions and not respecting the range of perspectives on a symbol that people have defensible reasons not to want front and centre on public schools that their children are required to attend.  

And you're not respect how that would make a student who is homosexual or has homosexual parents would feel. 

And children are not required to attend public schools. I'm sure a private religious school would have no problem embracing such bigotry. 

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Is this appropriate subject matter for young students to discuss?

It should only be discussed in the same context as heterosexuality is discussed/ taught at various stages of kids development. There should be some discussion, but I see no need to give special emphasis to homosexuality. It should be done tastefully.

Drag Queens are not acceptable and do not represent ordinary gays or trannies in normal everyday life, imo.

Same reason there's no need to bring a female stripper into the grade 5 class to show off her pole-dancing techniques.

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

And you're not respect how that would make a student who is homosexual or has homosexual parents would feel. 

And children are not required to attend public schools. I'm sure a private religious school would have no problem embracing such bigotry. 

So not hanging a Pride flag makes one a bigot?  Your position is radical and illustrates why many reasonable people are questioning stances like yours.

[OftenWrong]

On 5/30/2023 at 5:46 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Families are beginning to question the indoctrination underway.  Some families are no longer accepting attacks on their values.

People have had enough and some are speaking out, or taking their kids out of classrooms that do this. I can certainly see the point for a religous muslim family to be offended at teaching their kids about transexualism, especially in the manner it is being done recently.

These are sensitive issues that arguably do not belong in the classroom at all, for those who believe schools should only focus on the three R's.

Especially as they are a political football even among adults. And I've been pretty clear in my opinion on how politics in this day and age really needs to be reigned in.

Another point was raised earlier about pride parades starting in the 90's are now a thing that's completely normalized. Yes it is, and that speaks to the place we are at as a country. People who are gay need to feel that they belong, and Canada (the west actually) already says yes they do. Therefore I see no reason to put heavy emphasis on this, it's a non-problem and that's as far as we need to go.

[West]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

No. I'm calling you a bigot for associating that with the ideals of Pride. 

What is the context of this image used? 

This photo was taken at a Pride event in California...

[Boges]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So not hanging a Pride flag makes one a bigot?  Your position is radical and illustrates why many reasonable people are questioning stances like yours.

Not necessarily. But refusing to do so, because you don't want children to be exposed to the idea of Homosexuality certainly is. Kind of like what Desantis did in Florida.