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I see the real problem Canada has is a spiritual one.  This affects government and society in every way from crime to everyday life for everyone in every walk of life to politics at every level.  Israel did not listen to it's prophets, persecuted them and martyred some and as a result Israel suffered the consequences.  What about Canada?  Can Canada expect to build a nation based on paganism, secular humanism, liberalism, etc. and not suffer the consequences?  I don't think so.

"How many are very careless in the affairs of their souls! Not considering what we do know in religion, does us as much harm, as ignorance of what we should know. The wickedness was universal. Here is a comparison taken from a sick and diseased body. The distemper threatens to be mortal. From the sole of the foot even to the head; from the meanest peasant to the greatest peer, there is no soundness, no good principle, no religion, for that is the health of the soul. Nothing but guilt and corruption; the sad effects of Adam's fall. This passage declares the total depravity of human nature. While sin remains unrepented, nothing is done toward healing these wounds, and preventing fatal effects. Jerusalem was exposed and unprotected, like the huts or sheds built up to guard ripening fruits. These are still to be seen in the East, where fruits form a large part of the summer food of the people. But the Lord had a small remnant of pious servants at Jerusalem. It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed. The evil nature is in every one of us; only Jesus and his sanctifying Spirit can restore us to spiritual health."

This is an explanation of the beginning of the Old Testament book written by the prophet Isaiah in Chapter One verses 1 to 9.   This was concerning Judah (a country or part of Israel) and Jerusalem, their capital.  However, it is easy to see how this also would apply to Canada.

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I don't share your negative outlook. When I was a child, living in British Columbia, racism was accepted. First Nations people did not have the right to vote. People of African, Japanese and Chinese descent were decriminated against and that was seen as okay. Jews were denied entry to many clubs, restaurants and businesses. In the area I lived in in the west Kootenays, Doukhobors were shunned. Can you imagine that a community like that who are devoted to peace and devotion were looked down on by their neighbours.

In 1975, a student at the U of S came out as gay and the Faculty Association executive met to have him expelled. Fortunately, the President of the Faculty Association spoke up and explained if the student was forced to leave for being a homosexual, so would he, for the same reason. 

Crime is down. Racism still exists but it has undergone a dramatic decline since I was a kid. We are living in a country that is blessed with the bounty God gave us. We live in peace. Our standard of living is incredible, compared to any other country. Our spiritual life is evolving, but God doesn't give a rat's pajamas how you lable yourself. It only cares that you treat others in the manner you would wish to be treated.

 

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Both good and valid points. Yet I would ask @Queenmandy85...do you listen to folks when they chitchat about current events and "things" in general, when in social settings? Do you see and hear about the street shootings and knifings? The subway violence?

Here's a page with long term stats.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2015001-eng.htm

Note that the worst crime in Canada, happened in the mid-90's. Also note that the crime rate flashed upwards from the beginning of the 60's. Yes...it has dropped. But of late...not so much. Toronto is becoming a shitshow.

https://thehub.ca/2023-02-16/its-not-just-toronto-violent-crime-is-a-national-problem/

Now...we can sort of excuse the latest crimewave with The Rona lockdowns a stuff...added stress and anxiety. But what happened in the early 60's that propelled so many into a huge crimewave? What drove the people to commit so much crime all of the sudden? IMO...we robbed the public of base morality. In 1966 the infamous NYT headlined a question; "Is God Dead?". Well? Is it? No...it can't die...only lose power over the wills...the souls if you will...of the populace. Easy divorce...easy abortion...easy social assistance...lightened sentencing...

In believing we were being...compassionate...we created a bed of nails. Everything we've done since the early 60's has served to destroy what were once common beliefs. As a result, society has lost touch with things like respect and honour.

Now...I think we're all intelligent enough to realize the "Gawd" is not going to forsake us simply because we've been taught about him/her/whatever...by nonses who formulate "religions" as political tools instead of true social tools. But in those religion lie something of huge social value...a spirit of good will...respect...love even. Without that influence...regardless of the political crap the 3 major religions have waded into...the pillars of society begin to crumble.

@blackbird sees this crumbling of man's...soul...and laments that.

I do too.

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

racism was accepted. First Nations people did not have the right to vote. People of African, Japanese and Chinese descent were decriminated against and that was seen as okay. Jews were denied entry to many clubs, restaurants and businesses. In the area I lived in in the west Kootenays, Doukhobors were shunned. Can you imagine that a community like that who are devoted to peace and devotion were looked down on by their neighbours.

In 1975, a student at the U of S came out as gay and the Faculty Association executive met to have him expelled.

All of that is the “good old days” for people like @blackbird

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5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I have great affection for Blackbird. His posts are always interesting.

agreed

a God fearing Protestant Loyalist Orangeman

a constitutional monarchist who knows his history, system of governance & the rule of law

Cuidich 'n Righ

 

 

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On 5/29/2023 at 9:42 AM, blackbird said:

Can Canada expect to build a nation based on paganism, secular humanism, liberalism, etc. and not suffer the consequences? 

Paganism?  No.  No more than Christianity.  
Secular humanism?  Absolutely.  What do you find wrong about the principles of secular humanism?  
 

First, let’s make sure we’re talking about the same thing.  Once you read them, tell me your objections.  
 

Here they are from the Canadian Humanist’s website https://www.humanistcanada.ca/about/humanism/

 

The fundamentals of modern Humanism are as follows:

  • Humanism is ethical. It affirms the worth, dignity and autonomy of the individual and the right of every human being to the greatest possible freedom compatible with the rights of others. Humanists have a duty of care to all of humanity including future generations. Humanists believe that morality is an intrinsic part of human nature based on understanding and a concern for others, needing no external sanction.
  • Humanism is rational. It seeks to use science creatively, not destructively. Humanists believe that the solutions to the world’s problems lie in human thought and action rather than divine intervention. Humanism advocates the application of the methods of science and free inquiry to the problems of human welfare. But Humanists also believe that the application of science and technology must be tempered by human values. Science gives us the means but human values must propose the ends.
  • Humanism supports democracy and human rights. Humanism aims at the fullest possible development of every human being. It holds that democracy and human development are matters of right. The principles of democracy and human rights can be applied to many human relationships and are not restricted to methods of government.
  • Humanism insists that personal liberty must be combined with social responsibility. Humanism ventures to build a world on the idea of the free person responsible to society, and recognises our dependence on and responsibility for the natural world. Humanism is undogmatic, imposing no creed upon its adherents. It is thus committed to education free from indoctrination.
  • Humanism is a response to the widespread demand for an alternative to dogmatic religion. The world’s major religions claim to be based on revelations fixed for all time, and many seek to impose their world-views on all of humanity. Humanism recognises that reliable knowledge of the world and ourselves arises through a continuing process of observation, evaluation and revision.
  • Humanism values artistic creativity and imagination and recognises the transforming power of art. Humanism affirms the importance of literature, music, and the visual and performing arts for personal development and fulfilment.
  • Humanism is a lifestance aiming at the maximum possible fulfilment through the cultivation of ethical and creative living and offers an ethical and rational means of addressing the challenges of our times. Humanism can be a way of life for everyone everywhere.
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2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What do you find wrong about the principles of secular humanism?

Everything is wrong with secular humanism.  First it denies God, his revelation and His sovereignty over mankind.

"Humanism

1. The sovereignty of man and the state is the starting point, and it is the word of scientific, elite man which we must heed.

2. Man is his own god, choosing or determining for himself what constitutes good and evil (Gen. 3:5).

3. Truth is pragmatic and existential: it is what we find works and is helpful to us.

4. Education is the self-realization and self-development of the child.

5. Education is freedom from restraint and from any idea of truth outside of us. We are the standard, not something outside of man.

6. The school and the world must measure up to the pupil's needs. The pupil grades the teacher.

7. Society must be broken and remade to man's will and the child's will is sacred.

8. Man's problem is society. Society must be recreated by man.

9. The family is obsolete. The individual or the state is basic.

The great issue of the years ahead is the developing battle between Christianity and humanism. It is a war unto death. Christianity is a world and life view and faith, and it can only exist as such. It is either the Word of God for every area or none.

Christianity was born into the same battle. It is only the dereliction of Christendom which has led to a return to the beginnings of this old battle of the centuries. On the day of Pentecost, St. Peter's great proclamation was this: "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ" (Ac. 2:36). "Jesus is Lord!" This is the joyful and central proclamation of the early church. It is the declaration of St. Paul (Phil. 2:9-11; Rom 10:9; 1 Cor. 12:3), and it is the joyful declaration that in Christ the prophecy of Isaiah 45:23 is fulfilled. To declare Jesus is Lord means that He is the world ruler Who absolutely governs every sphere of life and thought. It is the obligation of every area to be Christian: church, state, school, family, vocations, the arts and sciences, and all things else must serve only Christ the Lord.

The True Meaning of "Church"
A problem in understanding the scope of our work is the common misuse of the word church. Our English word comes from kyriakos, a Greed adjective, as in kyriakon doma, or kyriake oika; our word "church" refers to an institution of worship, the ministry of the Word, or a building. The New Testament word translated church is ecclesia, which gives the sense of two Hebrew words, 'edhah (congregation) and qahl (assembly). It can refer to all the redeemed people, to their assembly in worship, their civil government, the family, the godly army, and more: it means the kingdom of God. Thus, where Scripture speaks of the church, it means Christ's realm in every area and sphere of life. All things must be brought under the dominion of Christ the Lord.

At present, humanism has brought all things, including most churches, under the sway of man the lord. The purpose of state schools, as laid down by Horace Mann, James G. Carter, and others, was twofold: first, to establish centralism, the priority of the state over every area of life, and second, to eliminate Biblical faith. The founders of statist education in the United States were Unitarians. They rightly believed that control over the child through the schools is the key to controlling society. Control over the schools will determine control over state and church finally.

Christianity and humanism are diametrically opposed religions; one is the worship of the sovereign and Triune God, the other is the worship of man. Let us briefly analyze some of the key points of difference between Christianity and humanism as they affect education. This is far from an exhaustive analysis. Our purpose is to provide a brief outline of some of the fundamental differences:

Christianity

1. The sovereignty of the Triune God is the starting point, and this God speaks through His infallible Word.

2. We must accept God as God. He is alone Lord.

3. God's Word and Person is the Truth.

4. Education is into God's truth in every realm.

5. Education is discipline under a body of truth. This body of truth grows with research and study, but truth is objective and God-given. We begin by presupposing God and His Word.

6. Godly standards grade us. We must measure up to them. The teacher grades the pupil.

7. Man's will and the child's will must be broken to God's purpose. Man must be remade, reborn by God's grace.

8. Man's problem is sin. Man must be recreated by God.

9. The family is God's basic institution.

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Christianity Versus Humanism (chalcedon.edu)

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Notice Christianity and Humanism are diametrically opposed religions.

Humanists believe we are just a chemical blob or accident of the Cosmos.  We have no purpose in being here and no future.

Christianity believes the opposite.  Christianity believes God has a purpose for our existence;  He created us and gave us his revelation which describes the problem and the solution.  We were created by God who gave us souls and spirits.  Life does not end with death.  We were created with a soul which will live on in eternity, either in heaven or hell.  Everyone has to decide what they will believe.  But we must remember the consequences are eternal.

 

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31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Everything is wrong with secular humanism.  First it denies God, his revelation and His sovereignty over mankind.

"Humanism

9. The family is obsolete. The individual or the state is basic.

 

Why did you list a bunch of lies from a Christian website, and ignored what I copied from an actual humanist organization?  

Just looking at #9, nowhere in humanism is the family obsolete   Is it a sin for you to post lies?

Is there anything in the real humanism values that you disagree with?  

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Humanists believe we are just a chemical blob or accident of the Cosmos. 

So do a lot of Christians.  Not many of them deny human biology;  only the science denying fundamentalists do. 

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2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Just looking at #9, nowhere in humanism is the family obsolete

Of course humanism believes the traditional biblical definition of a family is obsolete.  

Firstly it rejects God-given absolutes and that means it rejects the definition of a family as being only between one man and one woman.

That is why we have same-sex marriage and recognition of pride flags, etc.  According to the Bible which is God's revelation to man, the only relationship God recognizes as legitimate is between man and woman as a husband and wife.  Humanism rejects this.

Your description of humanism which you posted states quite clearly what it believes.  It is man-centred and rejects God.  In humanism, man decides what a family is and believes individual freedom or liberty takes precedence over what God said in his written revelation.  

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38 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That is why we have same-sex marriage and recognition of pride flags, etc.  According to the Bible which is God's revelation to man, the only relationship God recognizes as legitimate is between man and woman as a husband and wife.  Humanism rejects this.

Humanism believes gay people have the same rights as straight people.  That doesn’t mean that families are obsolete.  That’s asinine.  In fact, it makes families stronger and expands families.  Humanism is pro family. 

 

40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your description of humanism which you posted states quite clearly what it believes.  It is man-centred and rejects God.  In humanism, man decides what a family is and believes individual freedom or liberty takes precedence over what God said in his written revelation.  

You reject God too.  Just not as much as humanists do.  

Nearly every Christian  rejects the Sabbath, despite the claim that the 10 Commandments are holy.  Clearly, they’re only holy when they’re convenient.  

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2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Nearly every Christian  rejects the Sabbath, despite the claim that the 10 Commandments are holy.  Clearly, they’re only holy when they’re convenient.  

You claim that because you don't understand the Bible.  The Sabbath only applied to ancient Israel and never applied to the Church which began 2,000 years ago at the crucifixion.  

"If an old-covenant Israelite esteemed “all days alike,” he might be stoned to death (Numbers 15:32–36). Yet Paul evidently felt no need to impose the Sabbath command on his Gentile converts. Some in Rome, it seems, wanted to keep the Sabbath (and so esteem “one day as better than another”) — perhaps Jewish Christians eager to maintain the traditions of their fathers. Paul had no issue with those Christians, so long as they refrained from pressuring others to imitate them or suggested that salvation hinged on obedience to the Sabbath (compare Galatians 4:8–11).

For the sake of Christian freedom and mutual love, Paul says simply and remarkably, “Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5).

Hebrews: ‘We who have believed enter that rest.’

The author of Hebrews brings us closer to the heart of why the new covenant does not require a literal seventh-day rest. Christ’s first coming did not abolish rest; rather, it ushered in a deeper kind of rest than the Sabbath could ever offer.

According to Hebrews 4, Israel’s Sabbath day always pointed forward to a far greater day: the still-future day when all creation will enter fully into the rest foreshadowed and promised in Genesis 2:2–3, the very first seventh day. “So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:9). The ultimate Sabbath rest is coming, when God’s people will enjoy work without toil, hearts without sin, and an earth without thorns.

Yet even now, Hebrews implies, we feel the first waves of the coming rest. In Christ, we “have [already] tasted . . . the powers of the age to come” (Hebrews 6:5), rest included. For, the author writes, “We who have believed enter that rest” (Hebrews 4:3) — not “will enter,” but “enter”: fully later, truly now.

And how do we enter that rest? Not mainly by putting aside our weekly labors for one day in seven, but by believing: “We who have believed enter that rest.” Faith in Jesus Christ brings the rest of the seventh day into every day."

For a full explanation:

Should Christians Keep the Sabbath? | Desiring God

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25 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Most useless commandment ever then!   Why would God make the 10 Commandments if one of them is useless?  Or, why do Christians claim the commandments to be holy?   

You either trust God and his revelation and admit you don't understand everything in it but are willing to learn

OR  you reject it all and remain in darkness.

There are two schools of thought.

One is belief that God created the universe, revealed himself in his written word which we can study and learn.

The other school of thought is unbelief which manifests itself in various ideologies such as secular humanism, Darwinism, Communism, etc.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Why would God make the 10 Commandments if one of them is useless?

Just gave you a lengthy explanation of that and the link for more information.

Apparently you don't read anything more than one or two lines.  So of course you don't understand the answer.

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I learned at a very early age that arguing religion to be thoroughly pointless. The first time I heard, "because the bible says"... I rolled my eyes and moved on. Why someone argues religion with a zealot is beyond me? It tells me that you are bored, masochistic, or toying with them. 

Back to the topic,

Stating that a nation's decay is tied solely to them not being religious enough is simplistic. Its like saying that the Boston Celtics lost the eastern conference finals due to them not being good. 

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On 5/31/2023 at 1:09 PM, TreeBeard said:

Not many of them deny human biology;  only the science denying fundamentalists do. 

Right-thinking Bible believers believe in real science that is empirical, i.e. that can be proven by the scientific method.

Only blind atheists believe in unproven theories like the theory of evolution which has been rejected by many brilliant scholars and scientists.  Everyone with a brain realizes things don't just happen without a cause.  The universe was not an accident.  It was designed and had to have an immensely intelligent designer Creator.  One of the principles of all science is every effect has a cause.  

Darwinists are religionists because to them evolution is a kind of religion.  There is no proof it even happened, but they believe it on blind faith.  Even some mathematician scientists say there was not enough time in the universe for life to form by random chance processes. The mathematical law of probability is against evolution.  They say the chances of life forming by random chance is like giving a monkey a typewriter and seeing how long it would take the monkey to type randomly and come up with the complete works of Shakespeare.  It just couldn't happen.  Yet people are so gullible they will believe anything.

  At least Bible believers have evidence on their side that the universe was created.  The evidence is all around us in the existence and complexity of everything.  Atoms, molecules, energy don't evolve.  They had to have a designer Creator.

See creation.com website

 

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On 5/29/2023 at 10:21 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

but God doesn't give a rat's pajamas how you label yourself.

Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?

"The sinful ways of Sodom and Gomorrah were so corrupt that God destroyed the two cities with fire sparing only the family of Lot."   Why Did God Destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Their Story of Sin in the Bible (christianity.com)

"The Bible story of Sodom and Gomorrah is a cautionary tale of the destructive consequences of sin. Sodom and Gomorrah were cities mentioned in Genesis, notorious for their flagrant sin. Genesis 18:20-21 states, 

“The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

Why did God destroy everyone on earth with the flood except Noah and his family?

Hint...    

"6  And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7  And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. {both…: Heb. from man unto beast} 

8  But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9  These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. {perfect: or, upright} 10  And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 

11  The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12  And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth."   Genesis 6:6-12 KJV

 

 
 

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On 5/29/2023 at 2:03 PM, Nationalist said:

Note that the worst crime in Canada, happened in the mid-90's. Also note that the crime rate flashed upwards from the beginning of the 60's

That’s true in the US and I believe many parts of Western Europe as well. That trend was driven by demographics, Most crimes are committed by males age 15-35 therefore the 60s-90s crime wave was due to the glut of this demographic caused by the baby boomers (those born after ww2 between the mid 1940s and early 1960s). 

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8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s true in the US and I believe many parts of Western Europe as well. That trend was driven by demographics, Most crimes are committed by males age 15-35 therefore the 60s-90s crime wave was due to the glut of this demographic caused by the baby boomers (those born after ww2 between the mid 1940s and early 1960s). 

That's possible I suppose. Yet, I was born at the end of the boomer generation. My parents bought their fist house in the 60's for the same price as my father's yearly earnings. Things were still fairly good in the 60's for people who worked...and most did.

The crime rate coincidentally rises from the same point as inflation, when 2 monumental government actions happened.

1. Johnson's creation of the welfare state. This gave people a means of income without work. 

2. Nixon's unhooking from the gold standard. This gave the governments the freedom to print money at will.

As the social fabric began to rot, inflation began to devastate the welfare culture that had developed. 

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