Defining the Woke

[Americana Antifa]

Since the fascists here often cry about wokeness, but don't seem to know exactly what it is, I figured this would help them.

 

 

[Perspektiv]

[CdnFox]

[Perspektiv]

Definitely can't forget "words are violence".

People asking for a specific definition of the word woke, is like asking people to specifically define the word Karen.

The definition will never be good enough for those offended by it, who attempt to dismiss it.

It used to belong to the black community, as a means of giving a voice to those who didn't have one before (regarding discrimination, and similar social injustices plaguing this community).

Its a derogatory term now. Has nothing to do with those fighting for progress in society. Everything to do with the extremist liberals who highjacked the word, under guise of fighting for progress for all.

Its mocking social justice warriors.

Those who are so brittle sheltered and privileged, they demand for speech and freedoms to be curbed because they can't handle it. Protest on the behalf of others. Offended on the behalf of others.

Trans ideology today, is the definition of woke. Demands for speech to be outlawed by the most extreme.

The suppression of women (or womanhood), for the elevation of another group to highjack it. Protecting trans people, from dangerous words. People in prior generations fought to be treated the same. 

Imagine. The N word isn't illegal. You could call me it at any given moment. Its not nice, racist even, but its not illegal. It shouldn't be.

Thats freedom of speech. Anyone against such freedoms in a democratic society, are the definition of the current definition of woke.

How is it, that there are people in this group, that feel ok to push for legislation that would make misgendering illegal? Defunding of the police? Removing the meaning of woman or womanhood, and turning it into a hollow word that means nothing? Making masculine men toxic, and pushing for the feminizing of men?

Teaching gender ideology to kids?

The N word holds more weight, in terms of the history behind it. Where is the outrage of what happens in the black community? It only fits this group, when the narrative allows them to sew division and gain control.

"People may die". Really? You mean like lynched daily, for existing, and no laws to protect them from this? 

Someone woke by today's derogatory definition is essentially a keyboard activist, pseudo intellectual loud mouth that believes in the suppression of rights and speech, forcing others to walk on eggshells, and conform to their heightened sense of morality because their comfort and sense of selves matters more.

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Definitely can't forget "words are violence".

People asking for a specific definition of the word woke, is like asking people to specifically define the word Karen.

A Karen is a self-entitled person who overreacts to minor perceived infractions, usually to the point of calling the cops.

There, I defined the word Karen. Y'all fashies still can't define wokeness.

[Americana Antifa]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

A Karen is a self-entitled person who overreacts to minor perceived infractions, usually to the point of calling the cops.

nonsense.  FOr example urban dictionary offers this definition:

Middle aged woman, typically blonde, makes solutions to others' problems an inconvenience to her although she isn't even remotely affected.

So that's two very different ones. You couldn't even get THAT right.

DIctionary. com offers this:

Karen is a pejorative slang term for an obnoxious, angry, entitled, and often racist middle-aged white woman who uses her privilege to get her way or police other people’s behaviors.

As featured in memes, Karen is generally stereotyped as having a blonde bob haircut, asking to speak to retail and restaurant managers to voice complaints or make demands, and being an anti-vaxx , Generation X soccer mom.

you totally forgot the 'talk to your manager' part in your definition as well. That's a pretty key component to the meme.

49 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

There, I defined the word Karen. Y'all fashies still can't define wokeness.

And you got it wrong.  That's your second wrong definition of the day.

Hard fail little girl  

[Americana Antifa]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

nonsense.  FOr example urban dictionary offers this definition:

Middle aged woman, typically blonde, makes solutions to others' problems an inconvenience to her although she isn't even remotely affected.

That's nice, but what Perspektiv said was: People asking for a specific definition of the word woke, is like asking people to specifically define the word Karen.

As you showed with that entry on Urban Dictionary, people are able to come up with coherent and consistent definitions. I know it makes you mad, but you actually helped my point here. Even though people might disagree on the details, we all generally agree that a karen is an intrusive person who overreacts to minor issues, usually getting the authorities involved.

Meanwhile, the fascists still can't come up with a coherent and consistent definition for "wokeness" because it's a propaganda term. It's like the term "degeneracy." The closest definition it has is gender non-conformity, but fascists will also use it to describe Atheism and multiculturalism. The term isn't consistent because it's really just a propaganda catch-all.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's nice, but what Perspektiv said was: People asking for a specific definition of the word woke, is like asking people to specifically define the word Karen.

 

And as we saw - you couldn't.  His point was that the definition is not precise.  And he's right.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

As you showed with that entry on Urban Dictionary, people are able to come up with coherent and consistent definitions.

As we can see you're a liar. 

There was nothing consistant about those definitions. They were both very different, and different than yours.  So no - there wasn't a consistent definition.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

I know it makes you mad, but you actually helped my point here.

Was your point that you were wrong?  Happy to help.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Meanwhile, the fascists still can't come up with a coherent and consistent definition for "wokeness"

 

A dozen people here including me already provided you with very solid definitions of woke.  You just like to lie and pretend otherwise.

But definitions of woke will vary slightly. Just like your definition of 'karen' differed radically from other more established ones. 

Your whole point is a joke. And you're having to lie your ass off to make it - what have i told you about if you have to lie to make your point?

[Americana Antifa]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And as we saw - you couldn't.  His point was that the definition is not precise.  And he's right.

Sure, plenty of definitions aren't totally precise. But fascists can't define wokeness at all outside of it just being a catch-all for anything not conservative. Even Fox News is called "woke" for not being conservative enough.

When it comes to terms like "karan," we might disagree over what the most perfect definition is, but we can all define the term and our definitions are pretty similar.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Sure, plenty of definitions aren't totally precise.

Thank you.  He just won the point   It was pretty obvious he was right to begin with but it was fun watching you squirm  

[Michael Hardner]

48 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 But fascists can't define wokeness at all ...

I just found out that favouring LGBTQ+ rights isn't itself a "woke" position.  The poster who said this though is confused, and he knows it...

Edited May 24, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[Americana Antifa]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I just found out that favouring LGBTQ+ rights isn't itself a "woke" position.  The poster who said this though is confused, and he knows it...

It depends on the context. If the Right can use gay rights to attack trans people, they will. They'll say that the WOKE are forcing people to become trans when they're really just gay, which is homophobic. But then they'll also say that the movie "Strange World" is WOKE because there's a gay character.

It's inconsistent, but that's the point. Fascists are consistently against minorities, but they don't really believe their own justifications for why minorities are bad. So the justifications can keep changing and it's fine to them.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

It depends on the context. If the Right can use gay rights to attack trans people, they will. They'll say that the WOKE are forcing people to become trans when they're really just gay, which is homophobic.

No, that would be transphobic.

It would also be a bit of a lie wouldn't it the right doesn't think that.

8 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

But then they'll also say that the movie "Strange World" is WOKE because there's a gay character.

Yeah - still a bit of a lie.

8 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's inconsistent, but that's the point. Fascists are consistently against minorities, but they don't really believe their own justifications for why minorities are bad. So the justifications can keep changing and it's fine to them.

It sounds more like you're just making crap up but having a tough time remembering what you made up before so it SEEMS inconsistent.

But what can be expected from someone who can't even get the definition of 'karen' right.

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's inconsistent, but that's the point. Fascists are consistently against minorities, but they don't really believe their own justifications for why minorities are bad. So the justifications can keep changing and it's fine to them.

I wouldn't call people liars, because that's like saying something that someone doesn't believe and adding " and you know it" after, or calling them a "groomer" like @Perspektiv does for simply believing in freedom.

I would say that they're confused though.

[Americana Antifa]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I wouldn't call people liars, because that's like saying something that someone doesn't believe and adding " and you know it" after, or calling them a "groomer" like @Perspektiv does for simply believing in freedom.

I would say that they're confused though.

Some of these people aren't liars in that they never stopped to examine their own beliefs long enough to decide if they're true or false. If we were to give Perspektiv a magical truth serum and asked if he really believed this shit, he'd probably just say he doesn't know. Whether something is true or false just doesn't matter to most conservatives.

However, when it comes to grifters in right-wing media, they are absolutely lying. We now know that the people promoting the Big Lie on Fox all knew it was nonsense. It just came out that Marjorie Greene's boyfriend used to cross-dress on TV. Does that make him a GROOMER? Nah, because the Republicans are lying when they pretend to hate queer people.

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

1. Some of these people aren't liars in that they never stopped to examine their own beliefs long enough to decide if they're true or false.

2. If we were to give Perspektiv a magical truth serum and asked if he really believed this shit, he'd probably just say he doesn't know. Whether something is true or false just doesn't matter to most conservatives.

3. However, when it comes to grifters in right-wing media, they are absolutely lying. We now know that the people promoting the Big Lie on Fox all knew it was nonsense. It just came out that Marjorie Greene's boyfriend used to cross-dress on TV. Does that make him a GROOMER? Nah, because the Republicans are lying when they pretend to hate queer people.

1.  Correct.  People in this society don't challenge themselves or examine their understanding of the world and this includes liberals, socialists and everyone.  WCM was confused when I explained that the reduction of state ownership of enterprise is evidence that communism's influence is on the wane.  He had no concept of why the left would be associated with state ownership of enterprise (I think anyway).  And people (not on here) embrace empty socialistic symbols, photos of Che Guevera, state dumb slogans like "smash capitalism" with no concept of what it means etc. etc.

2.  Yes, but he's vain so he would have to start with that admission.

3.  Well, these are just TV shows... Roman Roy on HBO's Succession said in the previous-to-last episode, after his TV network falsely declared a victor in a presidential election "We just made a night of great television, that's all."

[Perspektiv]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Y'all fashies still can't define wokeness.

You call us fascists yet can't define the word.

[Americana Antifa]

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You call us fascists yet can't define the word.

Sure I can. A fascist is someone who uses nationalism and reactionary politics to justify authoritarianism. When DeSantis bans books in order to oppress queer people, he's (at the very least) doing fascism.

[Perspektiv]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

There, I defined the word Karen.

The word woke used to mean something different. 

The reason there isn't a consistent consensus is because the word woke used to mean what someone like MLK used to fight for. Racial injustices. Something absolutely respectable, considering they were seen as slaves for generation and beneath the rule of law.

It was overtaken by white liberal women.

People with white savior complex, trying to overtake problems, hijacking them even, because they "know better" than those experiencing the issue. 

I had a white friend who knew how poor I was. I always had a sandwich with mustard and a slice of bologna, as its all my parents could afford.

White savior complex means well, but does more damage than help, to the communities it tries to help. Perpetuates racism, and the growing issues you will see where such policies are applied.

This particular friend thought if he invited me over, I could finally have access to good food. 

So his mom made me a feast. She was impressed by how appreciative that I was. She later admitted my friend had told her how poor I was, so she was just trying to help out. 

I was insulted. I lost my appetite on the spot. My mother gave me 3 meals per day. How dare she question her parenting.

This is the very underlying issue behind the current woke movement.

People protesting on behalf of trans kids. Dictating to others, including the very parents of these kids, what is best for these kids. Overtaking what used to be science and biology, because they know better.

Dictating to municipalities that white cops hurt black people, pushing to suppress their presence, which demonstrably has a devastating effect on the communities being protected by them.

It's just this arrogance, and know it all attitude, that these people will fix what ails society, yet while having zero clue on how to humble oneself enough to look at the root cause of a problem,  vs put a shiny bandaid on them, and photo op to virtue signal on their higher moral standing. 

The fact you are ridiculing a slang and derogatory term (hijacking an original one, ironically enough) as being non existant, yet not being able to read between the lines and needing it spelled out, is more laughable.

I had a co-worker who scolded me for 5 minutes because I asked her what her Canada day plans were.

She reminded me, Canada wasn't my country. That we had committed years of genocide against aboriginals, and how dare I celebrate this genocide. 

Me asking her, "ah okay, you must be one of those woke people" went over her head. I was insulting her. Same co-worker tried to explain to me that I accepted racism as she hadn't seen me fight it. 

She then told me: "yes I am, there are a lot of things going on in this world" as she scoffed at my alleged lack of awareness about them.

Again. A person who never traveled, who's only exposure to these issues, was through Tik Tok. Never had been to a Canadian reserve, never immersed herself in the culture she was so called protecting or understood a single issue plaguing these communities or their root causes.

Literally wasn't proposing any solutions. Useless. Just wanted to shame and morally grand stand. Pat herself on the back.

Maybe you don't get it, but most people with half a brain would laugh at hearing Karen as they would woke.

Basically white affluent people who are incredibly privileged taking something great, and turning it to a joke.

[Americana Antifa]

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

The word woke used to mean something different. 

Yes, it used to mean an awareness of social injustice. Under that definition, being woke is a good thing.

But when fascists use "woke" it's just a propaganda catch-all. It means nothing, it's like calling something "degenerate."

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

The reason there isn't a consistent consensus is because the word woke used to mean what someone like MLK used to fight for. Racial injustices. Something absolutely respectable, considering they were seen as slaves for generation and beneath the rule of law.

It was overtaken by white liberal women.

I had no idea liberal white women are running all of right-wing media and the GOP. ?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Sure I can. A fascist is someone who uses nationalism and reactionary politics to justify authoritarianism.

That is you to a tee.

[Americana Antifa]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

That is you to a tee.

I would ask you to name a reactionary argument I made but, well, we all know how that would go.

[Perspektiv]

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That is you to a tee.

Basically, plus he also uses victim Olympics.

[Perspektiv]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

When DeSantis bans books in order to oppress queer people, he's (at the very least) doing fascism.

Or when the woke doxx those saying there are two genders providing ambiguous "proof" of otherwise, to suppress freedom of speech.