Porn in school libraries?

[Americana Antifa]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Books with explicit sexual stories are being banned from elementary and high schools (in BC HS starts at Gr 8. That's a bit young for some kids to start reading sexual stories that are chosen for them by the school board) and leftists are freaking out about that. 

Do you think that it's kind of strange that these books with sexual stories don't actually seem to exist? Shouldn't there be some evidence that the removed books had sexual stories?

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Choose a narrative and stick to it. You can't have noth.

My narrative has always been that right-wing media is lying. Just like with the Satanic Panic and McCarthyism, they're lying about groomers in order to push a moral panic on the public. In this case, they're trying to associate grooming with the existence of queer people.

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Regardless, a woman is what we have always known a woman to be, and that's a female. 

Ohhhhh dear. ?

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but society has always recognized the difference between sex and gender. Even Europe has had societies that recognize three genders. And we've always gendered non-human things, whether inanimate objects or fictional characters. Again, you're unintentionally proving that we need more gender theory classes.

 

Just now, WestCanMan said:

If golfers start referring to themselves as domestic terrorists are you gonna share your name with them? You've worked hard for that title and you have the free TVs to prove it. 

So sad that you have to resort to lying because you know you're wrong.

Just now, WestCanMan said:

If you just say "Tiffany's a woman" no one should have to say "That can mean two completely different things, is Tiffany a female or a dude with a hole where his dick was?" People should understand exactly what you mean instantly or your language sucks. 

So basically, you're saying every woman should be exactly the same or the term means nothing. I shouldn't have to guess whether Tiffany is white or black. I shouldn't have to ask if Tiffany has long blonde hair or short red hair. If you say "woman" that should tell me all I need to know.

By your logic, all labels are totally useless because they all have diversity.

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

That is the Roman church which has priests that are not allowed to marry.  Protestant churches do not have priests.  They have ministers that usually have wives and families, like any normal family.  

And yet even i. Protestant churches they still have disproportionately more sexual predators than the general public because

1) the conservative sexuality repressed environment that makes the whole topic of sex taboo and mysterious causes many to form secret unhealthy obsessions about sex and about women

2) The minister, who wields so much power over his congregation that his followers actually call themselves sheep, is all-powerful and above reproach. The sheep refuse to believe accusations against the man who was supposedly chosen by god. Furthermore even if they do harbour suspicions they often keep it to themselves out of fear that the community will disbelieve them and turn against them and also because criticizing god’s chosen messenger is also very taboo. 
 

3)The sexuality repressed sheep in the religious communities make the perfect victims, too ignorant to recognize when they’re being groomed and abused and too terrified and ashamed to speak up once they’re aware something is wrong. There are many examples of victims being shunned by the sheep who tend to instinctively rally around their pastor, or who end up falsely accused of lying or are held responsible for allegedly seducing their abuser

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you think that it's kind of strange that these books with sexual stories don't actually seem to exist? Shouldn't there be some evidence that the removed books had sexual stories?

I think it's weird that leftards have threads where they complain that conservatives are banning books about sex from elementary/high schools, and then they also pretend that there are no such books.

Again, which is it? Do the books exist or not? 

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My narrative has always been that right-wing media is lying.

As long as you understand that's just a narrative, that's fine. We are all fully aware, thank you very much. 

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  Just like with the Satanic Panic and McCarthyism, they're lying about groomers in order to push a moral panic on the public.

People shouldn't have to think that their girls are 100% safe from predators in the bathroom, it shouldn't even be a topic.

As far as girls' bathrooms in school are concerned, there should never be anyone in there who wasn't born a female, period. It's a safety issue for girls - FULL STOP - not an issue of trans people's feelings.

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In this case, they're trying to associate grooming with the existence of queer people.

No one is conflating those issues. Stories about sex are out. 

Next.

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Ohhhhh dear. ?I hate to be the one to tell you this, but society has always recognized the difference between sex and gender. Even Europe has had societies that recognize three genders. And we've always gendered non-human things, whether inanimate objects or fictional characters. Again, you're unintentionally proving that we need more gender theory classes.

Ohh dear. I hate to break it to you, but I don't give a crap if you want to change the meaning of the word 'woman' here.

99% of the people in NA have always used the word to mean one thing and 1% of the population doesn't get to arbitrarily change how we use the word. 

I'm not arguing whether or not gender is different than sex, you can have that word for all I care, what you can't have is woman. 

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So sad that you have to resort to lying because you know you're wrong.

Stop pretending that you're not a domestic terrorist ffs. If I said that I was a member of islamic state that would instantly make me a terrorist, regardless of whether or not I blew up children and committed genocide.

Ohhhh dear. I hate to break it to you, but when you openly admit that you're a member of a group, their crimes are yours.  If you officially join the KKK I'll inform you that makes you a racist as well as a terrorist. It sucks to suck.

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So basically, you're saying every woman should be exactly the same or the term means nothing. I shouldn't have to guess whether Tiffany is white or black. I shouldn't have to ask if Tiffany has long blonde hair or short red hair. If you say "woman" that should tell me all I need to know.

If Tiffany is a black female she's a woman. If Tiffany is a Jewish female she's a woman. If Tiffany is a female with no legs she's a woman. This isn't rocket science. Not even you're too stupid to figure this one out. 

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And yet even i. Protestant churches they still have disproportionately more sexual predators

I never heard of such a thing in my forty some years going to different protestant churches.  I think you are making it up.  If it happens, it would probably be very rare and no worse than in any other organization.

Where sexual abuse is reportedly common is in sports such as hockey and other sports.  We have been hearing more about it in Hockey Canada on the news for some time now.  It probably happens in any organization that has access to kids.  It is not unique to religious organizations, except in Romanism where it has been reported as widespread in some places.

 

[BeaverFever]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

never heard of such a thing in my forty some years going to different protestant churches.  I think you are making it up.  If it happens, it would probably be very rare and no worse than in any other organization.

Southern Baptist church releases database of sexual abusers, redactions spark anger

https://globalnews.ca/news/8874614/southern-baptist-convention-sexual-abuser-database-released/amp/

 

Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse

Investigation by Fort Worth Star-Telegram finds 400 allegations against 168 leaders spanning almost 200 churches and institutions.

KATE SHELLNUTT

DECEMBER 12, 2018 09:54 AM

 

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/december/independent-fundamentalist-baptist-church-abuse-scandal.html
 

 

How Protestant Churches Hid Sexual Abuse
 

A recent study sponsored by LifeWay Christian Resources reveals that 10% of Protestants under the age of 35 have left the church previously because they felt that sexual abuse and misconduct were not taken seriously by the church. This is is twice any many people as the 5% of churchgoers from any religion who have walked away due to the mishandling of sexual abuse. Among younger people, 9% stated that they were no longer attending their former church because they did not feel protected from sexual misconduct.

More than 375 leaders and volunteers in the Southern Baptist church have been charged with some form of sexual misconduct over the past 12 years. Over 200 of these volunteers and leaders pled guilty or were convicted for their crimes. However, the Southern Baptist Convention will not take significant steps to stop abuse in churches, claiming that each church should act independently to tend to this matter. As a result, several pastors and leaders who are registered sex offenders or accused of sexual misconduct are permitted to maintain their position in the church.

https://southernmarylandchronicle.com/2021/04/08/how-protestant-churches-hid-sexual-abuse/
 

Child Sex Abusers in Protestant Christian Churches: An Offender Typology
 

….Some estimates exist on the total instances of sexual abuse within Protestant Christian churches. One estimate comes from three of the largest faith-based insurance companies1 that insure nearly 160,000 churches. These three faith-based insurance companies reported 7,095 insurance claims of sexual abuse by clerical members, church employees, congregation members, or others involved within these settings from 1987 to 2007 (The Associated Press, 2007). These reports indicate an average of 260 claims of sexual abuse per year. In addition, Denney, Kerley, and Gross (2018) published one of the first empirical studies on sexual abuse in the U.S. within Protestant Christian settings that examined news articles reporting on arrests involving sexual abuse, finding 326 total cases reported from 1999 to 2014. Most recently, the Houston Chroniclepublished a series titled "Abuse of Faith," uncovering sexual abuse and cover-up within the largest Protestant Christian organization in the U.S. (i.e., the SBC). They identified 380 sexual abusers and 700 alleged victims over 20 years (Downen, Olsen, & Tedesco, 2019). Moreover, Downen et al. (2019) found that 35 Southern Baptist ministers were hired at churches, despite being accused of sexual misconduct or abuse, demonstrating a pattern of institutional issues in responding to alleged sexual abuse… 

https://www.qualitativecriminology.com/pub/osa148h6/release/2

[Americana Antifa]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I think it's weird that leftards have threads where they complain that conservatives are banning books about sex from elementary/high schools, and then they also pretend that there are no such books.

Again, which is it? Do the books exist or not? 

You're (willfully) misunderstanding. Conservatives are banning books from schools and pretending it's because the books are sexually explicit. So yes, the book bans are real, but the books aren't actually sexually explicit.

Have there been one or two cases where an inappropriate book was found and removed? Maybe. Mistakes do happen. But there's no evidence that the hundreds upon hundreds of banned books have all been pornographic or in other ways inappropriate. 

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

People shouldn't have to think that their girls are 100% safe from predators in the bathroom, it shouldn't even be a topic.

If you really think this, then do you also think grown women shouldn't be in the same public bathroom as little girls?

I think the real issue here is adults shouldn't allow their young kids to go to the bathroom alone in a public area. Adults kidnap or molest kids of the same gender all the time. But this isn't really about protecting kids, just is just an excuse to be transphobic.

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

99% of the people in NA have always used the word to mean one thing and 1% of the population doesn't get to arbitrarily change how we use the word. 

That's just not true. Society has always gendered fictional characters and inanimate objects. By your own definition of "adult human female" then Wonder Woman wouldn't be a woman. And like I said, there have always been societies with more than two genders. Also, the majority of people in both America and Canada accept trans identity. So even today, if we're going by percentage, then we should go by my definition of woman. I got the numbers on my side, BAY-BAY!

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm not arguing whether or not gender is different than sex, you can have that word for all I care, what you can't have is woman. 

Is this not a woman?!

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop pretending that you're not a domestic terrorist ffs. If I said that I was a member of islamic state that would instantly make me a terrorist, regardless of whether or not I blew up children and committed genocide.

The difference is that ISIS is an organization that demands terrorism. Antifa is an anti-fascist movement which operates peacefully 90% of the time.

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If Tiffany is a black female she's a woman. If Tiffany is a Jewish female she's a woman. If Tiffany is a female with no legs she's a woman. This isn't rocket science. Not even you're too stupid to figure this one out. 

No, I understand your bigotry, I'm saying it's inconsistent. You're saying that if someone tells you Tiffany is a woman, you shouldn't have to ask if she has a penis because the label should tell you everything you need to know. But that's not how labels work. There are many different kinds of women.

[WestCanMan]

22 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You're (willfully) misunderstanding. Conservatives are banning books from schools and pretending it's because the books are sexually explicit. So yes, the book bans are real, but the books aren't actually sexually explicit.

You're wilfully lying. That's exactly why they banned books.

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Have there been one or two cases where an inappropriate book was found and removed? Maybe. Mistakes do happen.

Yes, there have. 

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But there's no evidence that the hundreds upon hundreds of banned books have all been pornographic or in other ways inappropriate. 

Hundreds lol. You're wilfully lying again. 

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If you really think this, then do you also think grown women shouldn't be in the same public bathroom as little girls?

If you think that women rape as often as men do then just keep going around uttering that opinion I guess.

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I think the real issue here is adults shouldn't allow their young kids to go to the bathroom alone in a public area. Adults kidnap or molest kids of the same gender all the time. But this isn't really about protecting kids, just is just an excuse to be transphobic.

You're being disingenuous. Not even you're dumb enough to believe that what you said was really worth writing.

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That's just not true. Society has always gendered fictional characters and inanimate objects. By your own definition of "adult human female" then Wonder Woman wouldn't be a woman.

I can't tell when you're being really stupid or telling ridiculous lies.

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And like I said, there have always been societies with more than two genders.

You could make the case that there have always been "queers", "trans" or whatever you wanna call them, sure, but what people have never done is refer to them as "women". Get it?

"If you go to that area of town the re are "women" who are prostitutes."

"Ummm, there are women that are prostitutes in a few areas, dude."

"Yeah but these women aren't female they're dudes who tuck in their junk and wear makeup."

"Uhhhh, no one calls those ones women, bro." 

That was everyone in NA from the year 0 until approximately 2023 according to you. Suddenly those ones are also women? ?

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Is this not a woman?!

I'm pretty sure that even you know the answer to that.

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The difference is that ISIS is an organization that demands terrorism. Antifa is an anti-fascist movement which operates peacefully 90% of the time.

What do you call a person who has lived 3,650 days and only committed a single murder on a single day? A carpenter who had a bad day, or a murderer? 

Don't bother answering that, I honestly wasn't plumbing the depth of your stupidity just then and I don't want to hear your f'd up answer. 

Main thing is that you've finally admitted that you're a domestic terrorist because, NEWS FLASH, when you join a group that you know is going to commit acts of domestic terrorism, you're a terrorist.

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No, I understand your bigotry,

You have no reason to call me a bigot you god-damned loser, stfu.

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You're saying that if someone tells you Tiffany is a woman, you shouldn't have to ask if she has a penis because the label should tell you everything you need to know.

Yeah, I'm saying exactly that.

If someone has a penis they're not a woman and that's a fact that only a true retard would try to dispute.

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But that's not how labels work. There are many different kinds of women.

Women are women. You could break that category down further if you wanted, to women who are asexual, pansexual, bisexual, heterosexual, women who don't even want to have babies might be a group in some people's minds. But they're all 'women'. 

There's no such thing as "a woman with a penis." 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Southern Baptist church releases database of sexual abusers, redactions spark anger

https://globalnews.ca/news/8874614/southern-baptist-convention-sexual-abuser-database-released/amp/

 

Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse

Investigation by Fort Worth Star-Telegram finds 400 allegations against 168 leaders spanning almost 200 churches and institutions.

KATE SHELLNUTT

DECEMBER 12, 2018 09:54 AM

 

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/december/independent-fundamentalist-baptist-church-abuse-scandal.html
 

 

How Protestant Churches Hid Sexual Abuse
 

A recent study sponsored by LifeWay Christian Resources reveals that 10% of Protestants under the age of 35 have left the church previously because they felt that sexual abuse and misconduct were not taken seriously by the church. This is is twice any many people as the 5% of churchgoers from any religion who have walked away due to the mishandling of sexual abuse. Among younger people, 9% stated that they were no longer attending their former church because they did not feel protected from sexual misconduct.

More than 375 leaders and volunteers in the Southern Baptist church have been charged with some form of sexual misconduct over the past 12 years. Over 200 of these volunteers and leaders pled guilty or were convicted for their crimes. However, the Southern Baptist Convention will not take significant steps to stop abuse in churches, claiming that each church should act independently to tend to this matter. As a result, several pastors and leaders who are registered sex offenders or accused of sexual misconduct are permitted to maintain their position in the church.

https://southernmarylandchronicle.com/2021/04/08/how-protestant-churches-hid-sexual-abuse/
 

Child Sex Abusers in Protestant Christian Churches: An Offender Typology
 

….Some estimates exist on the total instances of sexual abuse within Protestant Christian churches. One estimate comes from three of the largest faith-based insurance companies1 that insure nearly 160,000 churches. These three faith-based insurance companies reported 7,095 insurance claims of sexual abuse by clerical members, church employees, congregation members, or others involved within these settings from 1987 to 2007 (The Associated Press, 2007). These reports indicate an average of 260 claims of sexual abuse per year. In addition, Denney, Kerley, and Gross (2018) published one of the first empirical studies on sexual abuse in the U.S. within Protestant Christian settings that examined news articles reporting on arrests involving sexual abuse, finding 326 total cases reported from 1999 to 2014. Most recently, the Houston Chroniclepublished a series titled "Abuse of Faith," uncovering sexual abuse and cover-up within the largest Protestant Christian organization in the U.S. (i.e., the SBC). They identified 380 sexual abusers and 700 alleged victims over 20 years (Downen, Olsen, & Tedesco, 2019). Moreover, Downen et al. (2019) found that 35 Southern Baptist ministers were hired at churches, despite being accused of sexual misconduct or abuse, demonstrating a pattern of institutional issues in responding to alleged sexual abuse… 

https://www.qualitativecriminology.com/pub/osa148h6/release/2

This may be true.  I am not going to get into a slinging match on the subject of sexual abuse because it has nothing to do with the topic and is pointless in this discussion.

All I can tell is the  Bible does not condone sexual abuse in any form.  There are millions of Christians in the world that attend hundreds of thousands of churches in many countries.  Most would oppose and condemn sexual abuse.

The fact that there are sexual abuse cases in many parts of society has been known for decades.  Just how prevalent it is difficult to say.  I don't condone it.  

But it is really not related to the subject of porn in school libraries.   It does not support the argument against teaching young kids sexual orientation, gender identity, or even about sex.  The issue of sexual abuse in society is a serious problem.  But exposing kids to the kind of sex education that is being taught these day is another problem itself.

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

You're wilfully lying. That's exactly why they banned books.

Do you have any evidence of that? I'm guessing not, because I asked you for evidence multiple times and you failed to provide any.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

If you think that women rape as often as men do then just keep going around uttering that opinion I guess.

Deflection. The point is if you cared about children, you wouldn't want children alone in public bathrooms without their parents.

You don't care about kids, you're just using kids to fear-monger about trans people.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

You could make the case that there have always been "queers", "trans" or whatever you wanna call them, sure, but what people have never done is refer to them as "women". Get it?

Do you care that you're wrong about this?

And do you care that today, most people recognize trans identity? Even if you were correct about the past, words change. Often in ways that help with utility.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm pretty sure that even you know the answer to that.

Well according to your inconsistent and weirdo definition, the answer is no. Wonder Woman isn't an "adult human female" because she's not human, she's an amazon. Thor wouldn't be a man, because he's not human either. But if Marvel made a movie where Thor was gender-swapped, conservative heads would explode. Because y'all don't believe your own talking-points.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you have any evidence of that? I'm guessing not, because I asked you for evidence multiple times and you failed to provide any.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/03/29/virginia-school-district-removes-14-sexually-explicit-books/

That took me 4 seconds.

Why weren't you able to find any examples? Did you honestly just take a guess and then run your stupid mouth? 

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Deflection. The point is if you cared about children, you wouldn't want children alone in public bathrooms without their parents.

You're revolting. There's literally no level that you won't stoop to.

I don't know what happened to you when you were a kid but you need to break the cycle, because there's actually no excuse for you to pass your hideous issues on to other people.

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You don't care about kids, you're just using kids to fear-monger about trans people.

Again, you're just a revolting, hideous loser.

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Do you care that you're wrong about this?

Dude, in my life I have never seen anyone refer to a group of drag queens as women. 

I have never seen anyone refer to a trans woman as simply a 'woman'. 

Would you ever set up anyone that you care for on a date with a trans woman and not reveal her gender change? Would you ever say "I want you meet my lady friend" and just hook them up? Because that's just gross, and I'm being honest. 

When you set a guy up on a date with a "woman" and 'she' has a penis, you're in for a rough day. 

FYI a woman is a woman and a trans-woman is a trans-woman and they're absolutely not both just "women". 

At best a trans is a hyphenated woman, just like the covid 'vax' is a pseudo-vax, or a demi-vax.

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And do you care that today, most people recognize trans identity? Even if you were correct about the past, words change. Often in ways that help with utility.

Why would I refuse to acknowledge trans identity?

If a biological male wants to become a trans woman I'll absolutely acknowledge the very blatant fact that the former man is now a trans-woman. Why wouldn't I? 

If they're real enough that you can poke them with a stick, and they're changed their name and their appearance and the way they act, what makes you think I'd say "Nope, still just a dude?" It doesn't even make sense.

No longer a dude, not quite a woman.... trans woman. Literally everyone knows exactly what you mean when you say that.

The word woman is utterly meaningless to you because it can mean almost anything. FYI that's not what words are for. Words aren't spells which magically transform things into something that they aren't, they're actually just a tool for sharing info and ideas.

When you call a trans woman a woman you have failed to use the Language in a manner that's concise and honest. You've also lied, not that you'd care.

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Well according to your inconsistent and weirdo definition, the answer is no. Wonder Woman isn't an "adult human female" because she's not human, she's an amazon. Thor wouldn't be a man, because he's not human either. But if Marvel made a movie where Thor was gender-swapped, conservative heads would explode. Because y'all don't believe your own talking-points.

Let's separate truth from fiction here: you didn't show a cartoon Wonder Woman, you showed a picture of Gal Gadot, who is every bit a woman. 

If you want to talk about the fictional characters that G. Gadot and C. Hemsworth portray in the movies, WW and Thor aren't 'humans': WW is a Demi-God iirc and Thor is a God. 

They're both capable of mating with humans, so you could definitely call them male and female if you wanted, as well as man and woman, and if you set your buddy up on a blind date with WW he would almost certainly be ecstatic when he met het. Ditto for a girl that you set up with Thor.

I don't deal in 'talking points', I'm not here to play make-believe. 

[Americana Antifa]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/03/29/virginia-school-district-removes-14-sexually-explicit-books/

So first of all, this is literally one district. This shows how vulnerable you are to right-wing propaganda. Right-wing media will usually highlight one case, then act like this is evidence for a huge systemic problem. They did this with that trans shooter, despite the fact that 99% of shooters are cis. And I'm sure you fell for that.

If your argument is that the book bans aren't authoritarian, then you have to prove that at least on average, the books being removed are inappropriate.

Also, the article you posted doesn't differentiate between schools. I've read a few of those books and they probably are a bit too much for elementary school, but they're fine for high school. They also all deal with consent, which is the real reason conservatives don't like them.

 

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why weren't you able to find any examples? Did you honestly just take a guess and then run your stupid mouth? 

If you make a claim, it's on you to provide the evidence.

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're revolting. There's literally no level that you won't stoop to.

I don't know what happened to you when you were a kid but you need to break the cycle, because there's actually no excuse for you to pass your hideous issues on to other people.

Again, deflection. You don't care about kids, you just hate trans people. If you cared about kids, you'd be against adults of any gender being alone with kids in public bathrooms.

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Dude, in my life I have never seen anyone refer to a group of drag queens as women. 

No shit, most drag queens are cis men. If a man cross-dresses, he doesn't become a woman.

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Would you ever set up anyone that you care for on a date with a trans woman and not reveal her gender change? Would you ever say "I want you meet my lady friend" and just hook them up? Because that's just gross, and I'm being honest. 

I'd give a bunch of details about her, including that she's trans, because some people seem to care about that. But so what? I'd also probably talk about her hobbies and education. You seem to think that a woman isn't really a woman unless they conform to your specific view of womanhood. Like a woman isn't a real woman if she likes anime or wrestling.

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI a woman is a woman and a trans-woman is a trans-woman and they're absolutely not both just "women". 

A redhaired-woman is a redhaired-woman!

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If you want to talk about the fictional characters that G. Gadot and C. Hemsworth portray in the movies, WW and Thor aren't 'humans': WW is a Demi-God iirc and Thor is a God. 

But they have both been gendered. Humans have been gendering non-humans ever since gender has been a thing. So your definition of "adult human female" is actually very new and inaccurate.

[Nationalist]

On 5/22/2023 at 6:20 AM, BeaverFever said:

A book about puberty and sex-ed for pre-teens is now perverted pornography 

Only in the demented fever dreams of the unhinged crackpots. 

Yes. It IS porn and has no place in elementary schools. Just like Deep Throat has no place in elementary schools...or any schools for that matter.

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Yes. It IS porn and has no place in elementary schools. Just like Deep Throat has no place in elementary schools...or any schools for that matter.

Why? Because kids who don't get sex ed are less likely to tell someone if they've been molested?

This pedocon theory at work?

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Why? Because kids who don't get sex ed are less likely to tell someone if they've been molested?

This pedocon theory at work?

NOT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS!!!

"pedicon"? LOL...go kick a baby. You'll feel better.

[Americana Antifa]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

NOT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS!!!

"pedicon"? LOL...go kick a baby. You'll feel better.

So you rather kids get molested and not tell someone?

Sounds like pedocon to me.

[Nationalist]

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

So you rather kids get molested and not tell someone?

Sounds like pedocon to me.

Give it a rest, criminal. We do not teach sex ed to elementary kids.!

If one is being abused at home, it'll show and our educators should be addressing this IN PRIVATE with the student.

Learning to fck is NOT elementary subject matter.!

As for you...Tweedle-Dee...you can FOAD.

[Americana Antifa]

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Give it a rest, criminal. We do not teach sex ed to elementary kids.!

If one is being abused at home, it'll show and our educators should be addressing this IN PRIVATE with the student.

Sometimes it shows, often it doesn't. Most of the time, the authorities only find out if kids speak up. And kids are much more likely to speak up if they're given sex ed classes. That's why conservatives are against sex ed and public school as a whole.

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Learning to fck is NOT elementary subject matter.!

Nobody is saying elementary schools should teach that. This is a strawman. 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Sometimes it shows, often it doesn't. Most of the time, the authorities only find out if kids speak up. And kids are much more likely to speak up if they're given sex ed classes. That's why conservatives are against sex ed and public school as a whole.

Nobody is saying elementary schools should teach that. This is a strawman. 

Wait...what?

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kids speak up. And kids are much more likely to speak up if they're given sex ed classes. That's why conservatives are against sex ed and public school as a whole.

That's what I thought...

Gawd how I pray that Karma catches up to you soon!

Conservatives...and people who care about kids...frown on teaching sex ed at elementary schools. As has been already exhibited, books with explicit directions and cartoon porn pics are already in some elementary schools. But you wouldn't care because essentially, you're an Anarchist who desires the destruction of society, culture and history.

In the meantime...

The Biden government at work.

One of your harmless Trannies.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

So first of all, this is literally one district. This shows how vulnerable you are to right-wing propaganda. Right-wing media will usually highlight one case, then act like this is evidence for a huge systemic problem. They did this with that trans shooter, despite the fact that 99% of shooters are cis. And I'm sure you fell for that.

So, first of all, it's a systemic problem. It's not just n that one school district.

Secondly, if you cared about children you'd look into it but you won't, because all you care about is your leftard politics.

I'm not your shopping sherpa, get off your ass and pretend to care.

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If your argument is that the book bans aren't authoritarian, then you have to prove that at least on average, the books being removed are inappropriate.Also, the article you posted doesn't differentiate between schools. I've read a few of those books and they probably are a bit too much for elementary school, but they're fine for high school. They also all deal with consent, which is the real reason conservatives don't like them.

Obviously banning porn from elementary schools isn't 'authoritarian'. I don't need to prove anything else to you.   

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If you make a claim, it's on you to provide the evidence.

1) I did prove it

2) That applies to things that are hard to prove, or in doubt. This is neither.

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Again, deflection. You don't care about kids, you just hate trans people. If you cared about kids, you'd be against adults of any gender being alone with kids in public bathrooms.

Loser.

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No shit, most drag queens are cis men. If a man cross-dresses, he doesn't become a woman.

Men don't become women.

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I'd give a bunch of details about her, including that she's trans, because some people seem to care about that. But so what? I'd also probably talk about her hobbies and education. You seem to think that a woman isn't really a woman unless they conform to your specific view of womanhood. Like a woman isn't a real woman if she likes anime or wrestling.

No need to reply to that...

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But they have both been gendered. Humans have been gendering non-humans ever since gender has been a thing. So your definition of "adult human female" is actually very new and inaccurate.

Insofar as they're considered a God/Godess, sure, they're gendered, but they're not "a man and woman". 

If you said "Thor is a man" you'd be wrong. 

[Deluge]

On 5/21/2023 at 2:45 PM, herbie said:

So a State Governor all on his own can decide what is and what is not pornography (federal decision) and what your school can have in its library(local decision) and you praise that.

A true modern conservative, accuse everyone else of being a dictator while praising your own.

Oh, it's not just the governor, Mrs. Marx. Parents are opposed to it too; in fact, the only people who DO support this shit are misguided fools and the groomers themselves. 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Deluge

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yes. It IS porn and has no place in elementary schools. Just like Deep Throat has no place in elementary schools...or any schools for that matter.

Seriously you can’t tell the difference between sexual health education and porn?   A lecture on how STDs, how bodies change during puberty and how sperm fertilizes eggs is no different than porn?  That’s what you’re going with?

Sex-ed is not pornography thats a fact. It has been in schools for decades already. You guys are no different than the Taliban 

[BeaverFever]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

This may be true.  I am not going to get into a slinging match on the subject of sexual abuse because it has nothing to do with the topic and is pointless in this discussion.

All I can tell is the  Bible does not condone sexual abuse in any form.  There are millions of Christians in the world that attend hundreds of thousands of churches in many countries.  Most would oppose and condemn sexual abuse.

The fact that there are sexual abuse cases in many parts of society has been known for decades.  Just how prevalent it is difficult to say.  I don't condone it.  

But it is really not related to the subject of porn in school libraries.   It does not support the argument against teaching young kids sexual orientation, gender identity, or even about sex.  The issue of sexual abuse in society is a serious problem.  But exposing kids to the kind of sex education that is being taught these day is another problem itself.

NOBODY condones sexual abuse in any form. The conservative approach to keep the subject taboo and kids in ignorance only makes them hem victims. There is nothing pornographic about sex ed amd it gives kids age-appropriate information to avoid predators and not fall victim to playground rumours about what is or isn’t safe and ok

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Seriously you can’t tell the difference between sexual health education and porn?   A lecture on how STDs, how bodies change during puberty and how sperm fertilizes eggs is no different than porn?  That’s what you’re going with?

Sex-ed is not pornography thats a fact. It has been in schools for decades already. You guys are no different than the Taliban 

I actually attended school Beave...and in elementary school nobody taught us about sex of any kind. Know why? Because the very idea is repugnant. It's...grooming. it's gross.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

NOBODY condones sexual abuse in any form. The conservative approach to keep the subject taboo and kids in ignorance only makes them hem victims. There is nothing pornographic about sex ed amd it gives kids age-appropriate information to avoid predators and not fall victim to playground rumours about what is or isn’t safe and ok

Sorry you are dead wrong.  Most modern sex education instruction presents perversion, fornication, homosexuality, and living together before marriage as “normal” expressions of sexuality.

Sex education should be done by parents, not unbelieving liberals or progressives in public education institutions, who know nothing or believe nothing about morality as taught in the Bible.

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Children will learn about sexuality from someone. The options are their peers, pornography, school settings, experimentation, or their parents. The best place for sex education is in the home, as a natural part of training children “in the way they should go” (Proverbs 22:6). It is the parents’ God-given responsibility to teach children God’s perspective on every area of life, including sexuality (Ephesians 6:1–4).

Due to the intrinsic complexities of human sexuality, the physical aspects of biological reproduction cannot be separated from moral responsibility. Regardless of whether children receive sex education in schools or even at church, it remains the parents' responsibility to ensure their children are properly educated about both the biological and moral aspects of sexuality. Leaving values-training to others is dangerous, particularly regarding matters of sexuality in many cultures today.

First, what does the Bible say about sex? Sexuality is a gift to us from God and should be viewed as such. God created sex for two purposes: procreation and unity between husband and wife (Genesis 1:28; Matthew 19:6; Mark 10:7–8; 1 Corinthians 7:1–5). Any other use of sex is sin (1 Corinthians 6:9, 18; 1 Thessalonians 4:3). Sadly, many in our world do not believe these truths. As a result, there are many perversions of sexuality and much unnecessary pain caused by them. Parents who properly educate their children about sex can help their children discern truth from error, walk in wisdom, and ultimately have a more wholesome experience of the gift of sexuality.

Most modern sex education instruction presents perversion, fornication, homosexuality, and living together before marriage as “normal” expressions of sexuality. Any teaching of boundaries is limited to the avoidance of negative consequences. All of this is contrary to Scripture (1 Corinthians 6:9; Leviticus 20:15–16; Matthew 5:28). Christian parents should be actively involved in all aspects of their children’s education, especially in areas that compromise Scripture. Parents should be aware of what their children are learning and correct any misinformation given to their children. They should also educate their children in such a way as to equip the children to discern biblical truth from cultural error. God holds parents responsible for the upbringing of their children (Ephesians 6:4), not schools, churches, or governments.

Many parents find the topic of sexuality awkward and embarrassing, but it doesn’t need to be. Parents should begin when the children are very young, speaking matter-of-factly with preschoolers about their bodies and how men and women are made differently. Those conversations transition naturally into more complex areas as the child matures. It is important that a child knows he can talk to mom or dad about anything that confuses him.

Sexual information bombards us from every direction, so these parent-child conversations must begin very early. Before parents allow a school system to instruct in sexuality or morality, they must be sure their children have already learned the truth. It is then crucial to stay abreast of what the children are learning and how they are applying their knowledge. Keeping a constant, open dialogue with one’s children is a key to staying in charge of what they are learning. When parents are proactive in their children’s instruction, those children have a basis upon which to recognize and reject errors that the world promotes as truth.    unquote

How should a Christian view sex education? | GotQuestions.org

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

believe nothing about morality as taught in the Bible.

How moral was it for Lot’s daughters to get their father drunk and have sex with him?   That sounds more pornographic than anything kids would learn in school.  
 

Shouldn’t we ban the bible in libraries?