Poilievre perceived to be more competent than Trudeau, national poll shows (stats climbing)

[CdnFox]

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/poilievre-more-competent-than-trudeau-national-poll

Some highlights:

Just 27 per cent believe Trudeau has good judgment, compared with 45 per cent for Poilievre

Forty-eight per cent of voters agreed that Poilievre is a competent leader, compared with 42 per cent for Trudeau.

But when respondents were asked whether Trudeau and Poilievre hide their true views to make them more acceptable, the difference was huge: 56 per cent believe Trudeau does, and only 40 per cent think Poilievre does.

Trudeau scored higher in 'kindness'.

 

So - PP has been slowly but steadily climbing in all the important metrics for Many months now.  People are becoming more and more comfortable with him and less and less comfortable with justin.

At the current rate, in less than 12 months he'll be solidly in majority territory with room to spare.

[ExFlyer]

Yet still less than half of those surveyed think he has good judgment or is competent.

I personally do not think neither are good leaders.

Edited May 16, 2023 by ExFlyer

[herbie]

Yes if you measure by doing the wrong thing faster than Trudeau can do the right thing as competency.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Yet still less than half of those surveyed think he has good judgment or is competent.

And there's a percent of undecided who haven't 'met' him yet.  So to achieve 45 percent At this stage is excellent.  At the end of the day he will take a majority if 40 percent of those who vote choose him, so it means he's cleared an important hurtle.

But perhaps more importantly it's a lot higher than his numbers 6 months ago - and it's been a steady increase.  That is going to be extremely encouraging for his supporters, suggesting that his methods are working and he's building a solid base

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I personally do not think neither are good leaders.

there will be those who share your opinion. Of course there is no matter who you're talking about.  So who would you wsh had been running for leader (any party)

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And there's a percent of undecided who haven't 'met' him yet.  So to achieve 45 percent ..... .....

....

there will be those who share your opinion. Of course there is no matter who you're talking about.  So who would you wsh had been running for leader (any party)

It's not my or even an opinion,  it's your topic and your link.  LOL

 

Rona Ambrose - Conservative.

 

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

It's not my or even an opinion,  it's your topic and your link.  LOL

Uh - i WAS responding to this: "I personally do not think neither are good leaders. "

kinda sounds like an opinion

 

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Rona Ambrose - Conservative.

 

Ahhh - an excellent 'compromise' candidate - still liked by the right but leans a little to the left.  Not a bad choice at all.

Unfortunately she's a little too smart to want that job.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Uh - i WAS responding to this: "I personally do not think neither are good leaders. "

kinda sounds like an opinion

 

Ahhh - an excellent 'compromise' candidate - still liked by the right but leans a little to the left.  Not a bad choice at all.

Unfortunately she's a little too smart to want that job.

It is what I think.

Edited May 16, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Aristides]

PP has it easy right now, eventually he will have to come up with an election platform.

[TreeBeard]

I’m certain he’s more competent than Trudeau.  But, given their policies, I would still prefer Trudeau as PM over PP.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

Trudeau should be easy to beat at this stage - he’s very old news and the scandals have mounted up as they do in any administration. The question is whether Poilievre can do a Harper and curb his instincts for rightward movement out of the Canadian mainstream. If he indulges himself he’ll be a one-term act. 

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Trudeau should be easy to beat at this stage - he’s very old news and the scandals have mounted up as they do in any administration. The question is whether Poilievre can do a Harper and curb his instincts for rightward movement out of the Canadian mainstream. If he indulges himself he’ll be a one-term act. 

I think PP has the disadvantage that he is forced to win a majority, otherwise, it is likely to be a coalition Lib/NDP that runs the government, at least for a time. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

I think PP has the disadvantage that he is forced to win a majority, otherwise, it is likely to be a coalition Lib/NDP that runs the government, at least for a time. 

That’s as it should be. Canada has a weird phobia about coalitions but parties who share many policies should consider them in minority parliaments as they do in other countries. Perhaps a few years of PP will change minds on this? 

[Nefarious Banana]

18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m certain he’s more competent than Trudeau.  But, given their policies, I would still prefer Trudeau as PM over PP.  

What implemented Trudeau policies are you referring to?  

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, Aristides said:

PP has it easy right now, eventually he will have to come up with an election platform.

At this point the platform will be a simple exercise.  The challenge is to get known and get people to like you and think  you're competent WITHOUT using promises or specific policy to showcase.  But he seems to be pulling it off.

The key to winning, which both Andrew and Erin missed, is to lay the foundation and be well known and respected before an election starts. If people are just discovering you as the election starts its hard for them to get very confident in you,  And you can't be giving away your platform before  the election so it can be a bit of a task.

[TreeBeard]

25 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What implemented Trudeau policies are you referring to?  

I’m not referring to any Trudeau policies.  PP’s climate denialism in itself is enough for me not to support him or his party.  PP’s support for the convoy blockades also eliminates any possibility of supporting a Con candidate.  

[Aristides]

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

At this point the platform will be a simple exercise.  The challenge is to get known and get people to like you and think  you're competent WITHOUT using promises or specific policy to showcase.  But he seems to be pulling it off.

The key to winning, which both Andrew and Erin missed, is to lay the foundation and be well known and respected before an election starts. If people are just discovering you as the election starts its hard for them to get very confident in you,  And you can't be giving away your platform before  the election so it can be a bit of a task.

PP is in opposition mode which means everything the government does is wrong. His real challenge will be presenting a platform that people are willing to vote for. His position in polls right now has more to do with people being tired of Trudeau than his own personal popularity. I think the next election will be very interesting.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m not referring to any Trudeau policies.  PP’s climate denialism in itself is enough for me not to support him or his party.  PP’s support for the convoy blockades also eliminates any possibility of supporting a Con candidate.  

PP has not denied climate change, he has said he is going to dump the carbon tax, he has a climate change plan, why would he have a plan if he denies it exists...

So that leaves the convoy thing,  ya much worse than anything Justin has done, how did we ever mange the country before him...Must be a huge sticking point for you, to keep Justin in office after knowing what his record has been already, i agree lets keep a guy that has a long proven record of incompetence, lying and deceiving Canadians on a regular basis.....Ya Canada deserves another 4 years of Justin.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

PP is in opposition mode which means everything the government does is wrong. His real challenge will be presenting a platform that people are willing to vote for. His position in polls right now has more to do with people being tired of Trudeau than his own personal popularity. I think the next election will be very interesting.

There's much truth there.  Of course - someone who just says yes when they say no doesn't get very far and he IS improving his standing with people , for whatever reasons they feel he's competent.

But for sure - the real show is the next election. Campaigns matter, and nothing before that is going to change that acid test.

[ExFlyer]

9 hours ago, Army Guy said:

PP has not denied climate change, he has said he is going to dump the carbon tax, he has a climate change plan, why would he have a plan if he denies it exists...

So that leaves the convoy thing,  ya much worse than anything Justin has done, how did we ever mange the country before him...Must be a huge sticking point for you, to keep Justin in office after knowing what his record has been already, i agree lets keep a guy that has a long proven record of incompetence, lying and deceiving Canadians on a regular basis.....Ya Canada deserves another 4 years of Justin.

"Poilievre did not present a climate plan during the leadership race and has not signalled his intention of doing so in the near future now that he is leader, but has repeatedly been saying that technology, not taxes, is the way to reduce emissions"   https://nationalpost.com/news/pierre-poilievre-plans-to-scrap-the-carbon-tax-but-will-he-unveil-a-climate-plan

The "convoy thing" was a point. We all know what happened and a vocal few were very pro convoy but, the majority of Canadians (as polls a indicated) were not pro convoy and in fact against.

Not in any way promoting Justin just agreeing that PP has not established himself as a leader. Being a critic is easy.

Political facetiousness does not become you

Edited May 17, 2023 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

The "convoy thing" was a point. We all know what happened and a vocal few were very pro convoy but, the majority of Canadians (as polls a indicated) were not pro convoy and in fact against.

Well... not really. In fact close to half actually did sympathize with the convoy protesters even if they did disagree with some of their methods

https://globalnews.ca/news/8610727/ipsos-poll-trucker-convoy-support-ottawa-canada/

So you can't really say they were against the protesters.  And yes that does mean what you said is tecnically true - the 'majority' were against it but it is an ultra slim majority and possibly not even one given the margin of error of the poll.

And it is somewhat interesting (tho not really connected actually) that currently the numbers who would have had sypathy is about the same as the number who think he's a competent leader.

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Not in any way promoting Justin just agreeing that PP has not established himself as a leader. Being a critic is easy.

Being an effective critic is hard. Very hard in fact. As the ndp and libs in ontario found out.

Sure - anyone can say 'right' when the other guy says 'left'.  Or yell "Source?" everytime the libs say something   But that doesn't gain you popularity with the public and it often hurts.

PP is growing in the polls, more and more people see him as a competent leader, his numbers are enjoying  a slow steady rise.

That suggests he's doing a very effective job as opposition.  If that continues, then a decent campaign should land him a majority next election,

[blackbird]

Trudeau has proven his incompetence in the issue of foreign interference.  This is an extremely serious issue because it affects our democracy, human rights, and many facets of life.  Trudeau is ultimately responsible for how government institutions work and if they did not report the targeting of Michael Chow's family to him two years ago, that failure rests entirely with Trudeau.  He is not in control of his government as he should be.  That is negligence.  His failures extend through many other issues as well.  Failure to meet the Canadian Forces spending of 2%.  Failures in managing the economy resulting in inflation and massive housing shortages and costs out of reach of millions of Canadians.  He is ultimately responsible for the failed justice system that resulted in a number of police officers being murdered in the last year by dangerous offenders let out on bail.  The twelve people stabbed to death on the Cree Nation was a result of a dangerous FN offender being let out on parole.  Trudeau is ultimately responsible for how the parole board operates.  He can bring in laws to prevent release of dangerous offenders at any time but failed to do so.  He dragged his feet and did basically nothing while all this was happening.  He should not be in the position.  

Edited May 17, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Not in any way promoting Justin just agreeing that PP has not established himself as a leader. Being a critic is easy.

Trudeau has been a total failure and has cost lives of innocent people with the release of violent offenders by the parole board and the bail system.  Trudeau is behind the phony carbon taxes which will never control the climate but is lowering the standard of living for Canadians.  

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well... not really. In fact close to half actually did sympathize with the convoy protesters even if they did disagree with some of their methods

https://globalnews.ca/news/8610727/ipsos-poll-trucker-convoy-support-ottawa-canada/

......

Being an effective critic is hard. ...

Sure - anyone can say 'right' when the other guy says 'left'.  Or yell "Source?" everytime the libs say something   But that doesn't gain you popularity with the public and it often hurts.

PP is growing in the polls, .....

Well, your poll vs my poll LOL. 46% "sympathize but that is not support. "46 per cent of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything” the trucker convoy says or does,"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/15/politics/fact-check-canadian-protests-polls-trudeau-support-oppose-truckers-mandates/index.html

Sixty-four percent of respondents said they opposed the protesters’ demand to end all pandemic restrictions,

72% said the protesters have made their point and should “go home now,” while 22% said the protesters should “stay in Ottawa and other protest sites until their demands are met.”

Being. a critic can be difficult. Criticizing anything and everything is easy. This forum is criticizing anything and everything and they are not even politicians LOL.

Every mid election poll will show the opposition "gaining".

 

 

Edited May 17, 2023 by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trudeau has been a total failure and has cost lives of innocent people with the release of violent offenders by the parole board and the bail system.  Trudeau is behind the phony carbon taxes which will never control the climate but is lowering the standard of living for Canadians.  

OK, ya want a pat on the back?? LOL

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Well, your poll vs my poll LOL. 46% "sympathize but that is not support. "46 per cent of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything” the trucker convoy says or does,"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/15/politics/fact-check-canadian-protests-polls-trudeau-support-oppose-truckers-mandates/index.html

Sixty-four percent of respondents said they opposed the protesters’ demand to end all pandemic restrictions,

72% said the protesters have made their point and should “go home now,” while 22% said the protesters should “stay in Ottawa and other protest sites until their demands are met.”

None of those suggest that people didn't generally support the protesters for the most part or were sympathetic. They can still very easily feel that restrictions went too far even if they feel some are necessary, and saying that they made their point and should go home is not the same as suggesting they didn't have a point to begin with.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Being. a critic can be difficult. Criticizing anything and everything is easy. This forum is criticizing anything and everything and they are not even politicians LOL.

Every mid election poll will show the opposition "gaining".

Nope, sorry but that's not true. While the incoment party may slump a little midterm, we dont' generally see leaders numbers change much due to mid term slump especially the opposition. The consistent slow rise we're seeing with PP is different, and seems pretty sustained.