blackbird Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/lilley-polls-show-chow-set-to-win-and-that-s-not-good-for-toronto/ar-AA1be1Wg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9bcabfac203b4aff8f1f26bb1549d70a&ei=30 The article says she is the wrong person to solve or deal with all the problems that people are concerned about today, such as random attacks, crime, homelessness, drug deaths, and tent cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Hilarious that Ford gave "strong mayor" powers to Toronto thinking it would be John Tory forever and now has handed a golden sceptre to a hard left socialist. Great strategizing there, Doug. It's a sign of instability that Toronto will now turn to a true socialist for help, but with working people getting beat up as they have been it was only a matter of time before they considered this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 A worrying trend in Canada increasingly third world population to hope that all-powerful governments would or could solve all problems. The awakening is usually hard and painful (and the later, the harder). None of the actual problems has been solved in decades and the new ones piling up at accelerating rate. When should you be concerned? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, myata said: When should you be concerned? What have governments been doing for poor people and working people? Cutting services and working to lower wages. They're doing pretty great I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Cutting services and working to lower wages. Well dah. Take ever more from the bottomless pocket and do ever less of the boring bothersome stuff, why wouldn't ya? Because we can! Edited May 16, 2023 by myata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) Toronto. Land O' Stupid. Bike lanes that ruin traffic flow throughout the city. $6.70 to take a crowded bus or train downtown to the offices and back. Underfunded essential services. Regular gun fights and knifings in the streets and public transit. Property taxes that are silly. And now Torontonians want to elect a socialist as mayor? LOL...what a dump. Edited May 16, 2023 by Nationalist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, myata said: Well dah. Take ever more from the bottomless pocket and do ever less of the boring bothersome stuff, why wouldn't ya? Because we can! No, it's increasing population, increased costs and flat revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 So how many months will it take Chow to raise taxes and handouts and to drive away businesses? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: So how many months will it take Chow to raise taxes and handouts and to drive away businesses? 270K at foodbanks... how are we doing with those taxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: So how many months will it take Chow to raise taxes and handouts and to drive away businesses? What time is it right now? Add 4 minutes. Unlike her late husband she's really not a good leader or good at the job. Toronto will sink a little further during her time. But it's literally what they asked for unless they come to their senses pretty quick 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: ... unless they come to their senses pretty quick Last two mayors were conservative... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Toronto is naturally conservative. Most of our mayors and most counsellors are conservative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Last two mayors were conservative... Well pretty red tory one might say And toronto is demonstrably not naturally conservative at all. Federally for example the conservatives have struggled inside toronto itself. But, hopefully you're right and they'll give her a pass despite the polling. Her husband was an amazing politician but she is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Toronto is naturally conservative. Most of our mayors and most counsellors are conservative Michael you consider yourself conservative but your positions are quite NDP from what I’ve gathered over the years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well pretty red tory one might say And toronto is demonstrably not naturally conservative at all. Federally for example the conservatives have struggled inside toronto itself. But, hopefully you're right and they'll give her a pass despite the polling. Her husband was an amazing politician but she is not. Jack was a good man. I’d like to believe in Olivia too, but I don’t see the acumen or same level of sincerity. Maybe I’m wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Just now, Zeitgeist said: Jack was a good man. I’d like to believe in Olivia too, but I don’t see the acumen or same level of sincerity. Maybe I’m wrong. It's not her first foray into poltiics, we do have a track record to look at and it's not great. I may not have agreed with Jack's politics but the man got things done, AND he was willing to get in there and live as he preached. But Chow just doesn't have what it takes. she has the connections to get elected but not the skills to do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Michael you consider yourself conservative but your positions are quite NDP from what I’ve gathered over the years. That's incorrect. People seem to mistake comments I make as advocating. Just because Doug Ford made a bad move doesn't mean that I like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: hard left socialist. What’s your definition of this? Most people seem to just define it as whatever political stance they disagree with. What policies is she advocating that would be “hard left socialism”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Regular gun fights and knifings in the streets and public transit. If Toronto has “regular gun fights and knifings”, what the heck is happening in Edmonton?? Edmonton has double the homicide rate of Toronto. Edited May 16, 2023 by TreeBeard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: So how many months will it take Chow to raise taxes and handouts and to drive away businesses? Hopefully right away, because Toronto has some of the lowest property tax rates in the country and constantly relies on handouts and subsidies from the provincial and federal governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 58 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: What’s your definition of this? Most people seem to just define it as whatever political stance they disagree with. What policies is she advocating that would be “hard left socialism”? I am characterizing her a a social Democrat as opposed to a liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Hopefully right away, because Toronto has some of the lowest property tax rates in the country and constantly relies on handouts and subsidies from the provincial and federal governments. If Toronto didn’t have lower property taxes, the Toronto homeowners with modest incomes wouldn’t be able to keep their homes. The tax mill rate applied to a million dollar home, which is the low average home cost in Toronto, would bury residents who grew up in Toronto. You don’t even know how to be a leftist. Edited May 16, 2023 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Hopefully right away, because Toronto has some of the lowest property tax rates in the country and constantly relies on handouts and subsidies from the provincial and federal governments. Well not really. The residential rate is fairly middle of the road - no where near the lowest but not the highest. But - when you then look at MULTI residential and corporate, it's a different story Those rates for commerical and multi res are fairly high - very high for the commercial. So no, the property taxes are no where near 'low'. For residential they're middle of the road (vancouver is half that) and for commercial it's already high. Jacking property taxes would be a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 53 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I am characterizing her a a social Democrat as opposed to a liberal. I asked this of @blackbird before. What makes you think she wants the government to control the means of production? Or are you just using the term socialist like the nutbars on this forum use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Or are you just using the term socialist like the nutbars on this forum use it? Yes. I want to differentiate between left liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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