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[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

   I'm making fun of the notion that religious whackjobs have the right to dictate to others based on what their imaginary friend says.  It's nothing personal.

How about the idea that the Government shouldn't infringe on rights... but should send SWAT teams to force a woman to have a baby ?

These are people for which politics means doing what they say and nothing else.  

[bcsapper]

Just now, CdnFox said:

There isn't a lot of them. Most conservatives aren't religious fanatics and most of the ones who believe there should be some restrictions on abortion don't come at it from a strictly religious place. 

I'm not religious (well - i keep putting 'jedi' on my census paperwork but that's more ceremonial).  But i do have issues with unrestricted abortion rights  that extend to the birth of the child.

For me it's a simple question - when does the fetus become a 'human being'?  At that point human rights should attach and we don't kill humans just because they're not convenient. ( a policy many of my clients have benefited from )

There's arguments from conception to shorly before they take their college entrance exams, but for me there's a reasonable practical answer.

We consider people to be 'dead' when their brain shuts down and stops completely.  Not when the heart stops, but when the brain does. THat's when a person is dead. And i don't mean in a coma - the brain is still doing work there, just not much. Even if we could keep a body alive with no brain , i think everyone would agree it's not a person any more. Everythnig that makes them a unique person is gone.

So - if when the brain stops we call it death, then logically when the brain starts we should call it 'life'.  I believe that happens around week 15, the brain kicks in and starts actually doing things like regulating heart beat etc. Not just a random neuron firing but actual computing.

So i'm cool with abortions till about week 15 (16? can't remember). After that it's not the woman's choice any more because murder is bad and we don't murder children no matter how tempting it may be. Before that - it's a lump of flesh it should be up to the woman.

My take on it anyway.

Well, as I've stated before, I believe abortion should be an available option until the kid learns to show some respect, but I can see why such an opinion might not find favour with everyone.  So I defer to the Canadian model.  Leave it to a woman and her medical professional, and keep out of it.  I trust they probably won't be chasing down foetuses in elementary school.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

Gays, women and hungry children have the same rights I have. 

Illegal immigrants don't have the same rights I have, because they are not US citizens. 

What rights does the US Constitution grant to Citizens which it does not grant to People? 
 

And what does the Bible say about how we should treat illegal immigrants?  If I’m not mistaken, Joseph was an illegal immigrant, and so was Moses, and pregnant Mary as well. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Well, as I've stated before, I believe abortion should be an available option until the kid learns to show some respect, but I can see why such an opinion might not find favour with everyone. 

I think you must be some sort of marketing genius - i think you could make it fly if you put it that way

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

What rights does the US Constitution grant to Citizens which it does not grant to People? 

The right to vote for starters, but i'm pretty sure it does grant sovereignty as well.

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

The right to vote for starters, but i'm pretty sure it does grant sovereignty as well.

I don’t care about what you’re “pretty sure” of. Read it. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I don’t care about what you’re “pretty sure” of. Read it. 

The 'pretty sure' was actually sarcasm.  Sorry - i forgot you've got no sense of humour and a lackluster understanding of complex language. 

[herbie]

Seeing as I just stated that men have no right in the final decision, it should make clear women should be free to choose.

And seeing as how this thread has nothing f***ing at all to do with the subject of the thread, it's merely another diversion because a responder can't argue to the subject (as usual) let's drop discussion of abortion.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Seeing as I just stated that men have no right in the final decision, it should make clear women should be free to choose.

And seeing as how this thread has nothing f***ing at all to do with the subject of the thread, it's merely another diversion because a responder can't argue to the subject (as usual) let's drop discussion of abortion.

“I’m morally superior cause I’m opposed to a medical procedure which I cannot possibly undergo. Jesus admires my sacrifice.”

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

“I’m morally superior cause I’m opposed to a medical procedure which I cannot possibly undergo. Jesus admires my sacrifice.”

"I"m morally superior because my understanding of biology is so limited I didn't realize men are involved in creating a baby and might have an opinion on it"

What - you still thought the stork delivered them?    Men have AT LEAST as much say in the matter as women.

I don't see women suggesting the men should be off the hook financially if they keep the baby - are you suggesting that as well? Or is a baby only the man's responsibility when it's convenient.

Maybe stick  with more reasonable arguments.

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

"I"m morally superior because my understanding of biology is so limited I didn't realize men are involved in creating a baby and might have an opinion on it"

What - you still thought the stork delivered them?    Men have AT LEAST as much say in the matter as women.

I don't see women suggesting the men should be off the hook financially if they keep the baby - are you suggesting that as well? Or is a baby only the man's responsibility when it's convenient.

Maybe stick  with more reasonable arguments.

I see you clearly only care about a child’s life until he or she is born. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

I see you clearly only care about a child’s life until he or she is born. 

Men should have a say in what happens = I only care about the child's life till it's born.

Riiiiiight. When you get a moment google 'logic'.

And it kind of sounds like you don't care about children's lives at all, born or unborn. We shouldn't help the child or the mother at all after birth because she had the choice to kill it? 

Sorry - men absolutely do have a right to have a say in abortion and whether there's abortion.

 

[Americana Antifa]

On 5/15/2023 at 10:17 AM, CdnFox said:

This is canada. we already have tonnes of that.

But there's still poverty in Canada. Maybe get behind a UBI to help kids living in poverty.

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

But there's still poverty in Canada. Maybe get behind a UBI to help kids living in poverty.

UBI would radically increase poverty and become unsustainable in short order. It would plunge millions into poverty instead of pulling anyone out.

In the end, leftists always hurt the people they claim to care about if given a chance.

[Americana Antifa]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

UBI would radically increase poverty and become unsustainable in short order. It would plunge millions into poverty instead of pulling anyone out.

Source?

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Source?

Sealion?

[Rebound]

On 5/15/2023 at 3:31 PM, CdnFox said:

The right to vote for starters, but i'm pretty sure it does grant sovereignty as well.

Can you list ANY other right, besides voting, which the Constitution reserves for citizens?

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Can you list ANY other right, besides voting, which the Constitution reserves for citizens?

There are a bunch but they would generally speaking fall into a broader catagory of 'voting related' lets say so i'll just ignore them.

 There are powers and rights granted to states .. but i suspect that's not what you're looking for so i wont 'cheat' and include any of those.

However there are many that only apply to citizens. wherever the constitution uses the word "citizen" it only applies to actual citizens, born or naturalized.  If it says "the people' it means everybody.

So - consider the 14th amendment section one:

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Citizens have the right to live in the country for example - you can't pass a law which removes a citizen's right to do so. You can lock them up but you can't kick them out.  That does NOT apply to anyone BUT citizens.

However - the NEXT line says that you shall not deprive any PERSON -meaning ANYONE - of life liberty or property without due process of law.

You see the difference.

Now  that 'privileges and immunites' thing shows up a few times and is a little vague and not fully spelled out in the constitution but has been deemed by several judges to basically mean that you have the right to enter and leave any state and to live there, you cannot be taxed differently than residents of that state, you must be granted 'all the benefits of citizenry that normally would be recognized by common use in countries' , ish.  

Those rights are not granted to non citizens.  A non citizen CAN be forbidden to travel within the us or to and from it. They CAN be taxed differently. They DON"T enjoy the 'commonly accepted benefits of citizenship".  which would include a variety of rights.

There's not a LOT which is 'citizen specific' in teh constitution but there definitely is some,

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There are a bunch but they would generally speaking fall into a broader catagory of 'voting related' lets say so i'll just ignore them.

 There are powers and rights granted to states .. but i suspect that's not what you're looking for so i wont 'cheat' and include any of those.

However there are many that only apply to citizens. wherever the constitution uses the word "citizen" it only applies to actual citizens, born or naturalized.  If it says "the people' it means everybody.

So - consider the 14th amendment section one:

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Citizens have the right to live in the country for example - you can't pass a law which removes a citizen's right to do so. You can lock them up but you can't kick them out.  That does NOT apply to anyone BUT citizens.

However - the NEXT line says that you shall not deprive any PERSON -meaning ANYONE - of life liberty or property without due process of law.

You see the difference.

Now  that 'privileges and immunites' thing shows up a few times and is a little vague and not fully spelled out in the constitution but has been deemed by several judges to basically mean that you have the right to enter and leave any state and to live there, you cannot be taxed differently than residents of that state, you must be granted 'all the benefits of citizenry that normally would be recognized by common use in countries' , ish.  

Those rights are not granted to non citizens.  A non citizen CAN be forbidden to travel within the us or to and from it. They CAN be taxed differently. They DON"T enjoy the 'commonly accepted benefits of citizenship".  which would include a variety of rights.

There's not a LOT which is 'citizen specific' in teh constitution but there definitely is some,

Translation of your mumble jumble:

The Constitution does not afford any explicit rights to citizens except the right to vote.  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Translation of your mumble jumble:

The Constitution does not afford any explicit rights to citizens except the right to vote.  

HAHAHAHAAHAHA!! -  I LITERALLY POSTED it EXPLICITLY giving rights to citizens other than those  of voting It's right there in black and white   Citizens have rights other people do not have even excluding voting and i even highlighted it for you.

Wow Rebound - You may be a liar and a retard but i have to say while i may not approve of your lying and !diocy I at leat admire your dedication to them  

And people wonder why more and more people every day think the left is just plain dishonest. Sigh.

 

[reason10]

On 5/15/2023 at 3:23 PM, Michael Hardner said:

How about the idea that the Government shouldn't infringe on rights... but should send SWAT teams to force a woman to have a baby ?

These are people for which politics means doing what they say and nothing else.  

Produce PROOF that ANY government entity has sent a SWAT team to force a woman to have a baby. Do you even know what a SWAT team is? What it looks like?

How about the idea  of the government paying a hitman to  CRUSH THE SKULL OF A BABY, RIP ITS LIMBS APART AND SUCK IT INTO A SINK? (A procedure that would earn prison time if done to an animal.)

You really are a monster.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

HAHAHAHAAHAHA!! -  I LITERALLY POSTED it EXPLICITLY giving rights to citizens other than those  of voting It's right there in black and white   Citizens have rights other people do not have even excluding voting and i even highlighted it for you.

Wow Rebound - You may be a liar and a retard but i have to say while i may not approve of your lying and !diocy I at leat admire your dedication to them  

And people wonder why more and more people every day think the left is just plain dishonest. Sigh.

 

There are levels of stupidity and inferior minds. The liberals here don't read anything denser than what their fingers can follow while their lips are moving.

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

HAHAHAHAAHAHA!! -  I LITERALLY POSTED it EXPLICITLY giving rights to citizens other than those  of voting It's right there in black and white   Citizens have rights other people do not have even excluding voting and i even highlighted it for you.

Wow Rebound - You may be a liar and a retard but i have to say while i may not approve of your lying and !diocy I at leat admire your dedication to them  

And people wonder why more and more people every day think the left is just plain dishonest. Sigh.

 

What rights are those? Tell us what they are. Privileges and immunites to do what?  
 

Oh, one more thing: You called me a ‘retard.’ You need to apologize or I will block you and then you can argue with yourself.  

Edited May 20 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

What rights are those? Tell us what they are. Privileges and immunites to do what?  

 

Oh my god i directly mentioned a number - the RIGHT unike NON citizens to travel to and from any state which cannot be denied, the RIGHT not to be taxed differently in a state than the residents which does NOT extend to non citizens, the right to enter and leave the country which does NOT extend to non citizens etc etc etc.

Well - you've proven yourself to be a dishonest little penis.  I was kind enough to answer your question and all you do is make me repeat it again and again.  Typical sealioning from the left.  How pathetic.

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

 

Oh, one more thing: You called me a ‘retard.’ You will apologize or I will block you and then you can argue with yourself.  

After your little performance? Block away retard. I'm not surprised in the sligthest that sticking your head in the sand is your reaction to people telling the truth about you. I dont' really care what you have to say to me, but i'll still be making fun of what you say so that others can read.

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh my god i directly mentioned a number - the RIGHT unike NON citizens to travel to and from any state which cannot be denied, the RIGHT not to be taxed differently in a state than the residents which does NOT extend to non citizens, the right to enter and leave the country which does NOT extend to non citizens etc etc etc.

Well - you've proven yourself to be a dishonest little penis.  I was kind enough to answer your question and all you do is make me repeat it again and again.  Typical sealioning from the left.  How pathetic.

After your little performance? Block away retard. I'm not surprised in the sligthest that sticking your head in the sand is your reaction to people telling the truth about you. I dont' really care what you have to say to me, but i'll still be making fun of what you say so that others can read.

F you.   

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

F you.   

Oh noes!! Triggered Leftie wingbat is triggered!!!

Nighty nite kiddo. Next time try a little honesty and decency instead of being a turd.