I am Groot Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 An interesting grab bag of information about how the Chinese tried to influence several Conservative MPs and how they operate in Canada. And meanwhile, what is the government doing about it? Crickets chirping... Not to mention that there's no fear from their agents because they know nobody here is going to do anything about it. China sees Canada as a “high-priority target” and employs “incentives and punishment” as part of a vast influence network directed at legislators, business executives and diaspora communities in this country, according to a top-secret intelligence assessment from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. The CSIS report is an overview of Chinese government foreign interference in Canada, ranging from investigating a Conservative MP’s relatives in China to harassing a mainland Chinese student in Canada who publicly supported Hong Kong’s democracy movement. The CSIS report said China sees Canada as a key target as it’s a member of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing alliance, which also includes the United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand, because the country has a “robust reputation that can be used or co-opted to help legitimize [Chinese Communist] Party interests. It said China seeks to shape political conduct and policy in order to persuade Canadian governments to reject or at least fail to support what it considers “problematic” U.S. administration policies. It also wants to generate positive portrayals of the Chinese government in Canada and increase the likelihood that Ottawa, the provinces and major cities “defer to PRC authority” where possible. In addition, the report said Beijing seeks Canadian support for its controversial Belt and Road initiative, where China is pouring US$1-trillion into building railways, ports and pipelines from Asia to Africa, as part of what critics regard as a state-directed effort to bolster Chinese political influence and extend the country’s military reach. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-targets-mps-csis/#comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 Sam Cooper: GlobalNews national investigative journalist. Author. 'Wilful Blindness' . . . How a Criminal network of narcos, tycoons and Chinese Communist Party agents infiltrated the West. If you're concerned at all about Canada's open door policy towards China's underworld, financing terrorist groups abroad, and the infiltration/influence into Canada's political system, read this book. Names, dates, and places all included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 (edited) I can't help but think that the gov't of China is willfully getting Fentanyl into the hands of people who will get it into the US, driving up drug deaths. When you think about the level of control they exert over everything else in that country, they sure are lax about letting vast amounts of lethal drugs escape. Edited May 6 by WestCanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I can't help but think that the gov't of China is willfully getting Fentanyl into the hands of people who will get it into the US, driving up drug deaths. When you think about the level of control they exert over everything else in that country, they sure are lax about letting vast amounts of lethal drugs escape. the Chinese organized criminal element is by far and away the largest in the world dwarfing all of its competitors combined they do deals in the billions how could they operate at that scale without interacting with the Communist party totalitarian dictatorship ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 21 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the Chinese organized criminal element is by far and away the largest in the world dwarfing all of its competitors combined they do deals in the billions how could they operate at that scale without interacting with the Communist party totalitarian dictatorship ? The US gov't/CIA has been involved in the drug trade, I don't see why the Chinese gov't couldn't I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 Just now, WestCanMan said: The US gov't/CIA has been involved in the drug trade, I don't see why the Chinese gov't couldn't I guess. the CIA was supporting the Nicaraguan Contradoras who were engaged in cocaine trafficking as part of a Cold War operation in defence of the Monroe Doctrine against the Soviets I don't think the Chinese interface would be that militarized it's probably more informal like you scratch our backs we will scratch yours, through back channels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: The US gov't/CIA has been involved in the drug trade, I don't see why the Chinese gov't couldn't I guess. Yeah, and it's not like China is sending it's warships up the Mississippi to force America to buy their Fentanyl. Yes I realize it was the British that did that to China with opium but there's scarcely much difference in how superpowers operate when they're in the mood to expand and capitalize. Super-powers? More like Super-rogues really and if you've seen one you've pretty much seen them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted May 7 Author Report Share Posted May 7 21 hours ago, eyeball said: Super-powers? More like Super-rogues really and if you've seen one you've pretty much seen them all. Disagree. The way a superpower China would/will behave is a lot more brutal than what the US is capable of. They, at least, have a free press, voters, and laws to contend with. None of this restrains China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: Disagree. The way a superpower China would/will behave is a lot more brutal than what the US is capable of. They, at least, have a free press, voters, and laws to contend with. None of this restrains China. Really, so when was the last time China went through a period of bombing multiple countries and installing dictators around the globe? Edited May 7 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Really, so when was the last time China went through a period of bombing multiple countries and installing dictators around the globe? Well lets see - Vietnam, Then the sino vietnamese conflicts, Nathu La and Cho La clashes, Xinjiang conflict which is ongoing, the korean war.... so - currently they still are and have every decade since they came into being. Pretty much like america Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Well lets see - Vietnam, Then the sino vietnamese conflicts, Nathu La and Cho La clashes, Xinjiang conflict which is ongoing, the korean war.... so - currently they still are and have every decade since they came into being. Pretty much like america So not around the globe, just around themselves. And they didn't really install these dictatorships so much as just back them up. They simply put themselves in charge of Xinjiang. Sorta like America but not really. Certainly bad enough and definitely worse in other ways too. The real difference is that America should know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: So not around the globe, just around themselves. those conflicts literally span 3/4 of the globe. Basically not north america. 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: And they didn't really install these dictatorships so much as just back them up. They simply put themselves in charge of Xinjiang. Putting yourself in charge is literally installing a dictatorship. And keeping a dictator in power is the same thing. Swing and a miss kiddo. 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sorta like America but not really. Well america usually brings some benefit to the countries they take over but other than that - exactly like america. 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: Certainly bad enough and definitely worse in other ways too. The real difference is that America should know better. China's been around about a thousand years longer than the US. Why should the US know better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 7 hours ago, eyeball said: The real difference is that America should know better. but Canada needs the American hegemony even more than America does Canada is not going to defend itself, Canada is not going to defend its trade on the high seas if the American global hegemony goes away, Canada cannot afford to be Canada Canada is a product of empire and Canada has always been totally dependent on empire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted May 7 Author Report Share Posted May 7 11 hours ago, eyeball said: Really, so when was the last time China went through a period of bombing multiple countries and installing dictators around the globe? When was the last time the US did that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 12 hours ago, eyeball said: Really, so when was the last time China went through a period of bombing multiple countries and installing dictators around the globe? China is projecting power right now China is starting a war with every country in the South China Sea China is building aircraft carriers aircraft carriers only have one purpose ; to bomb other countries from the sea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 On 5/5/2023 at 10:54 PM, eyeball said: Super-powers? More like Super-rogues really and if you've seen one you've pretty much seen them all. the vast majority of the world is seeking the protection of the American superpower the only ones opposing are China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba & North Korea who wants to be on the anti-American team ? only brutal totalitarian dictatorships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: those conflicts literally span 3/4 of the globe. Basically not north america. 3/4 of the globe you say, you're about as good at geography as you are English and physics. 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: China's been around about a thousand years longer than the US. Why should the US know better? The US is in possession of a 2000 year old moral code that tells them what's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 58 minutes ago, I am Groot said: When was the last time the US did that? Well within living memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 50 minutes ago, eyeball said: 3/4 of the globe you say, you're about as good at geography as you are English and physics. LOL - draw a line from russia to tawan. Tell me all about geography Hell china alone stretches for about a 6th of the globe 50 minutes ago, eyeball said: The US is in possession of a 2000 year old moral code that tells them what's better. AHhhhhh so the US should know better because it owns a bible. Well you're right there of course - there' NO history of christian countries attacking another country at all. *Cough(crusades)Cough*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: The US is in possession of a 2000 year old moral code that tells them what's better. a moral code which is the light of civilization itself prior to the code, there was no restraint on militarized imperialism the pagans ran a slave empire and didn't even feel guilty about it if you consider the Third Reich that was really just Hitler's attempt to overthrow the moral code in favour of paganism he was trying to bring the Roman pagan slave empire back the moral code is what drove America to free the slave and fight the Second World War Edited May 7 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 While this is somewhat true, the western alliance is rotting while the opposition makes gains. Our own governments are failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: While this is somewhat true, the western alliance is rotting while the opposition makes gains. Our own governments are failing. I only find the federal government to be failing the provincial governments are no panacea of course but I can't say Ontario is not delivering the services I am taxed for it's really just Canada which is spiralling into crisis at the provincial level, not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted May 7 Author Report Share Posted May 7 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Well within living memory. And I'm sure you get my point. It's not done today because the US is restrained by its freed media, independent courts and opposition politicians. China faces no such restraints. It does not care what anyone thinks of how it treats countries or the people within those countries its voracious demand for resources is virtually colonizing. Chinese people will never hear of it if China decided to start using its ever-growing navy to harass and intimidate countries it has lured into debt bondage. No opposition politicians exist, nor any independent courts to stop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Our own governments are failing. even the things which are failing at the provincial level that is being imposed by Canada from above such as the Socialist Canada Health Act, which is leading to widespread shortages or the Chinese Communists operating in Ontario right under our noses that is imposed by Canada's lack of national security, Ontario being left defenceless therein we've literally had the former Vice Chief of Defence Staff Mark Norman publicly state that the failings of Canada are actually "endangering our way of life" Edited May 7 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: LOL - draw a line from russia to tawan. Tell me all about geography Hell china alone stretches for about a 6th of the globe. So your arithmetic powers are no better than your geography, english, physics and arithmetic. China has military bases in two other countries, the US is in 85. Which one looks more like a globe straddling empire to you? 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: AHhhhhh so the US should know better because it owns a bible. Well you're right there of course - there' NO history of christian countries attacking another country at all. *Cough(crusades)Cough*. Is it safe to say you feel as rankled when priests are chastised for diddling kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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