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At this point, I reckon that Robert Kennedy Jr will talk to anyone who will offer him a platform.

I wonder how he sounds sane when he has to say the same thing - over and over.

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As I say, he's like Eugene McCarthy in 1968.

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To make my point, in 1968, the MSM American view was that the Vietnam war was good - as now, the MSM American view is that the war in Ukraine is good.

To oppose the war in Vietnam in 1968 was like opposing the war in Ukraine now.

McCarthy (like Kennedy Jnr) is taking a contrarian view. 

 

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Since this may become an issue (as if my posts matter), please understand:

-I was against Bush Jnr's decision to invade Iraq

Why? I imagined what would happen if you Americans invaded Canada -some of us are Catholic, others Protestant, some have francophone mothers, we have different accents, and so on. 

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I agreed with the US (and Australia) military involvement in Vietnam.

To me, the Vietnam War was a battle in a larger Cold War that ultimately lead to the defeat of communism, the Soviet Union. As Reagan famously said, "Tear down this wall."

Well, in 1989, the Wall fell.

 Trump was correct. By 2016, you Americans  should have gone home.

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3 hours ago, August1991 said:

I agreed with the US (and Australia) military involvement in Vietnam.

There is an odd tendency to look at that war in hindsight and wonder how it came to be.

By its end, the US had opened relations with China and the world was in a new balance.

The US and the west won the cold war, and there's no denying that it was better than the alternative.

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38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

There is an odd tendency to look at that war in hindsight and wonder how it came to be.

By its end, the US had opened relations with China and the world was in a new balance.

The US and the west won the cold war, and there's no denying that it was better than the alternative.

It's popular to say that the US ended the cold war...but is it really true? I was over in Czech just 2 years after the end of The Soviet Union. I saw greed at a level that was startling. All the old Communist leaders were busy, scrambling to gleep land and set up new Capitalist ventures.

Prior to the fall, the government owned almost everything. They had absolute control and power. They also had cars and multiple houses and wealth.

I think the US may have had a hand in bringing all that to an end. But more than anything, I think it was greed and mismanagement that brought down "The Wall".

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54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. It's popular to say that the US ended the cold war...but is it really true? I was over in Czech just 2 years after the end of The Soviet Union. I saw greed at a level that was startling. All the old Communist leaders were busy, scrambling to gleep land and set up new Capitalist ventures.

2. I think the US may have had a hand in bringing all that to an end. But more than anything, I think it was greed and mismanagement that brought down "The Wall".

1. This is true but how does that negate how the cold war ended two years before ?
2. Perhaps, but they managed pretty well for several decades... I personally think that the west won out because their economics were open, and therefore stronger.  The Soviets tried Glasnost, but once openness took hold the first thing that the open society did was crumble.  But you're right, it's a deeper question as to how the west won.

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56 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. This is true but how does that negate how the cold war ended two years before ?
2. Perhaps, but they managed pretty well for several decades... I personally think that the west won out because their economics were open, and therefore stronger.  The Soviets tried Glasnost, but once openness took hold the first thing that the open society did was crumble.  But you're right, it's a deeper question as to how the west won.

I think that, once the population saw the Iron Curtain begin to give way, they wanted it all gone and public pressure forced the abrupt end. Interestingly though...the leadership did not change. Same faces...same people...just hang up the old red coat and put on a new blue one and declare open season on everything. It was a free for all.

And in the midst of this, along came the IMF, the World Bank, NATO and the EU. Between them, they bought up all the infrastructure everywhere except...Russia. Oh they tried but instead, Russia created its own "oligarchy"...much to the chagrin of the western powers.

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9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 And in the midst of this, along came the IMF, the World Bank, NATO and the EU. Between them, they bought up all the infrastructure everywhere except...Russia. Oh they tried but instead, Russia created its own "oligarchy"...much to the chagrin of the western powers.

So how did Russia fare vs. Poland, Czechia, etc. ?

Let me look:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=B8&most_recent_value_desc=true

And Russia below all of these:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=RU

They still beat Cuba and Khazakstan (not by much) and trounce Albania...

But... how good are they at sharing that wealth with the overall population ?

Again, awful although they beat China and the USA (not saying much)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

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7 hours ago, August1991 said:

I agreed with the US (and Australia) military involvement in Vietnam.

To me, the Vietnam War was a battle in a larger Cold War that ultimately lead to the defeat of communism, the Soviet Union. As Reagan famously said, "Tear down this wall."

Well, in 1989, the Wall fell.

 Trump was correct. By 2016, you Americans  should have gone home.

I do not believe that. It is a very longstanding assumption which is completely based upon irrational thinking. 
 

First, when Gorbachev took over the USSR, he announced his intention to allow the Soviet satellites to become independent. So when they began to break away, no Soviet tanks rolled into Berlin or elsewhere. He just let them go in almost completely bloodless rebellion. 
 

Second, the common claim is that Reagan “bankrupted” the Soviet Union into collapse.  How many trillions in debt does America have… yet we aren’t bankrupted into collapse? All those impoverished African nations… yet they aren’t bankrupted into collapse? Hitler slaughters 100 million Soviets and reduces dozens of Russian cities to rubble… yet they weren’t bankrupted into collapse? See? The argument “bankrupted into collapse” makes no sense, particularly against the argument of “their leader said he would permit these nations to break away.” 
 

You’re clearly an open-minded free thinker. You’re the kind of person willing to consider alternate views which differ from long-standing ideas that you and others hold.  I think if you consider these facts, you’ll agree with me. The Afghan War did not end the Soviet Union.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

So how did Russia fare vs. Poland, Czechia, etc. ?

Let me look:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=B8&most_recent_value_desc=true

And Russia below all of these:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=RU

They still beat Cuba and Khazakstan (not by much) and trounce Albania...

But... how good are they at sharing that wealth with the overall population ?

Again, awful although they beat China and the USA (not saying much)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

It is what it is. It is not our place to impose our ideals on the Russians...or anybody for that matter.

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On 5/24/2023 at 9:11 AM, Rebound said:

TBH, I don’t see any difference between the two stances. Questioning by studying and learning is a good thing. Questioning by making a political speech filled with rhetorical questions which propose an answer is not “questioning,” it’s avoiding culpability and responsibility. Same thing that Tucker Carlson does all the time: “Shouldn’t we be asking: Don’t vaccines murder babies and the government covers it up?”

 

An RFK Jr. Quote about the Covid vaccine:

“Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could cross the Alps to Switzerland,” he told a crowd of flag-waving anti-vaccine enthusiasts at a “Defeat the Mandates” rally. “You could hide in an attic like Anne Frank did.”

He is seriously deluded and his comparisons with Nazis are in appallingly bad taste. The anti-vaccine cult has spread from the left to affect the right as well. 

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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He is seriously deluded and his comparisons with Nazis are in appallingly bad taste. The anti-vaccine cult has spread from the left to affect the right as well. 

You can’t debate someone whose arguments are based on a string of conspiracy theories.  He rebuts arguments by making stuff up. It’s heart-breaking that the scion of the Kennedy family, who has such potential to be a national leader, is instead a deluded conspiracy theorist.  

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On 5/30/2023 at 3:36 AM, Zeitgeist said:

DeSantis is rational and rolling back the radical left that is destroying America, at least in Florida.

Biden is a reckless warmonger who has turned over all authority to the radical left.  He is the big pharma establishment.  He represents the unaccountable union of government and corporate power.

RFK is honest and pushing back against narratives that are destroying the West. He sees the hypocrisy and destruction in Ukraine.

It’s pitiful for US democracy that Biden is being sealed off from debate within his own party because his own party doesn’t think he’s mentally fit to debate. Is this who you want as your president?

If RFK is left out of the running and Biden is handed the Democrat leadership, Trump will win the presidential election.  Given the current state of the union, he probably should.

Biden has ALREADY PROVEN he can beat Trump. Trump is slowly going down in FLAMES due to HIS OWN ACTIONS wrt mishandling classified documents when given a chance to hand them over.

On 5/30/2023 at 5:27 AM, Zeitgeist said:

No, I think you’re accepting political leadership that has been bought off and is entrenched.  If you wish to dismiss legitimate criticism of government as conspiracy theory or “anti-vaxer” or fringe, that game is wearing very thin.

RK Jr. is an anti-vaxxer without evidence. That is fringe.

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On 5/30/2023 at 6:12 AM, Nationalist said:

Biden is easy for the bureaucrats to control. He's absent minded and dumb as a stump. All he cares about is that he got to reside in the Whitehouse as POTUS. The rest is scripted for him and he botches that consistently.

RFK Jr. is the best choice the Democrats have in their stable.

Fortunately, your opinion will NOT MATTER.

On 5/30/2023 at 7:12 AM, Deluge said:

Hopefully wokeness is just a phase or America won't be solving or resurrecting its way out of a bag. 

IT IS the way you right wingers use it to refer to whatever you don't like. LMAO

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On 5/30/2023 at 8:33 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Biden is a weak president who overcompensates for his unwillingness to take a reasonable centrist position against the radical left extreme of his party by “going toe to toe with Putin” and pouring billions into the Ukrainian bloodbath with no clear realistic goal.  He couldn’t even attempt diplomacy because he can’t forge a working relationship with Putin that could end the war.

His family appears to be in the pay of foreign governments, and like many in the swamp, he has been bought by the companies that fund party campaigns. Apart from more borrowing to spend on unaffordable programs, especially military, what has this government accomplished?

Don’t worry, if Biden is pushed through as leader by the Democrat Party, Trump will probably be president.  

Too bad you have NO EVIDENCE for ^these conspiracy theories.

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On 6/4/2023 at 8:59 AM, WestCanMan said:

Just FYI, more 'fully vaccinated' Canadians died of covid in 2022 than unvaxed-plus-vaxed in either of the previous years. 

It's really weird that the MSM stopped talking about covid deaths when they were 24% higher than ever before, and 30% higher than the previous year. 

Surely you must understand why a reasonable person would come to the conclusion that everything you believe about covid jabs is nonsense....

Too bad that you have NO EXPERTISE regarding the phases of the spread of disease during a pandemic.

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On 5/30/2023 at 11:33 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Biden is a weak president who overcompensates for his unwillingness to take a reasonable centrist position against the radical left extreme of his party by “going toe to toe with Putin” and pouring billions into the Ukrainian bloodbath with no clear realistic goal.  He couldn’t even attempt diplomacy because he can’t forge a working relationship with Putin that could end the war.

His family appears to be in the pay of foreign governments, and like many in the swamp, he has been bought by the companies that fund party campaigns. Apart from more borrowing to spend on unaffordable programs, especially military, what has this government accomplished?

Don’t worry, if Biden is pushed through as leader by the Democrat Party, Trump will probably be president.  

Funny how Putin nearly got knocked out of power this weekend, isn’t it? That wouldn’t have happened if the US hadn’t been supporting Ukraine. 

Funny how Republicans cheered for Reagan to support Afghanistan in an effort to bring down the USSR.  And they still do.  
 

The Ukraine War is going to determine whether Putin continues to expand into Western Europe or not. The Ukrainian people are fighting to win. There is a clear goal: Kick Russia out of the country. Teach dictators that invading their neighbors won’t work. 

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5 hours ago, robosmith said:

If RFK Jr's name was NOT Kennedy, no one would consider him a legitimate contender.

RFK has done a lot of important work and research on environmental protection and the dangerous influence peddling of government by corporations.  He’s the strongest candidate out of the Democrat Party in at least a generation.

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28 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Funny how Putin nearly got knocked out of power this weekend, isn’t it? That wouldn’t have happened if the US hadn’t been supporting Ukraine. 

Funny how Republicans cheered for Reagan to support Afghanistan in an effort to bring down the USSR.  And they still do.  
 

The Ukraine War is going to determine whether Putin continues to expand into Western Europe or not. The Ukrainian people are fighting to win. There is a clear goal: Kick Russia out of the country. Teach dictators that invading their neighbors won’t work. 

In the culture wars, Russia is more sane than America now.  America is run by stakeholder capitalist fascists pushing anti-science and anti-family gender ideology and crisis fear porn around climate change, public health, etc. The American way of life, with its liberty and representative democracy has been under constant attack under Sleepy Joe.  Workers are buckling under and merit and anti-free speech EDI and ESG dictates from unaccountable international bodies like the WEF and the China-led United Nations.

Permanent Washington has resorted to trying to imprison a former president to wipe out opposition, because it doesn’t trust the people and elected representatives.   Canada is even worse off.  Unfortunately any candidates from outside the Beltway who try to buck this trend don’t stand much chance.  Just keep the fear porn running on mainstream media about Ukraine and climate change and hopefully no one notices.  

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