The state of 24 Sussex Drive is an increasingly absurd embarrassment

[Army Guy]

58 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The conservatives refused to touch it also why do you only make this about liberals? And we all know how conservatives would have howled if JT had spent as much as a penny on the place as I recall they tried to create controversy over the fact that he refused to move his family in. 

They did, for the same reason, but the liberals have been dicking around with this problem for 8 years now, 8 years is enough don't you think, we are talking about fixing up the PM residence, not launching something into orbit, and it is not as if 40 million is a lot for the Liberals right....  like everything they touch they just want to kick it down the road. We had this conversation years ago, and I'm pretty sure at the time everyone was in agreement to fix it or doze it and start over....

[BeaverFever]

 

14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

They did, for the same reason, but the liberals have been dicking around with this problem for 8 years now, 8 years is enough don't you think, we are talking about fixing up the PM residence, not launching something into orbit, and it is not as if 40 million is a lot for the Liberals right....  like everything they touch they just want to kick it down the road. We had this conversation years ago, and I'm pretty sure at the time everyone was in agreement to fix it or doze it and start over....

As if the opposition wouldn’t have immediately attacked him for fixing up his private residence especially since it’s the where he grew up. “Prince Trudeau thinks it’s his personal private property!!!  If it was good enough for past PMs it should be good enough for him!!! “  Don’t pretend otherwise  

 

Canadian politics has made this issue a political third rail for everyone, ESPECIALLY JT. 

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

As if the opposition wouldn’t have immediately attacked him for fixing up his private residence especially since it’s the where he grew up. “Prince Trudeau thinks it’s his personal private property!!!  If it was good enough for past PMs it should be good enough for him!!! “  Don’t pretend otherwise  

 

Canadian politics has made this issue a political third rail for everyone, ESPECIALLY JT. 

I'm actually in favor of fixing it up, i know mind blowing... right now this is a good look for the liberals, they can't even fix up a historical home in the 8 years they have been in power, i could see if they were busy with other massive projects.... not sure what those would be...  you can blame this on whom ever you want , i think the 8 years speak for themselves, It is not done becasue they are not up to the job... everything is good, soon your party is going to be on the streets, and the conservatives will make that decision...and liberals in all their awe will accuse the conservatives of using magic...

 

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I'm actually in favor of fixing it up, i know mind blowing... right now this is a good look for the liberals, they can't even fix up a historical home in the 8 years they have been in power, i could see if they were busy with other massive projects.... not sure what those would be...  you can blame this on whom ever you want , i think the 8 years speak for themselves, It is not done becasue they are not up to the job... everything is good, soon your party is going to be on the streets, and the conservatives will make that decision...and liberals in all their awe will accuse the conservatives of using magic...

 

Yeah - i think everyone would probably have backed it. I kind of feel that wasn't the only issue, i mean chretien didn't fix it, harper didn't fix it, justin didn't fix it,  everyone knew it needed to be fixed.

I think if they just pulled the cpc and ndp in and said quietly "Look - lets just get this done and we want your full public support for it" they'd probably get them to agree to the best way to move forward and get it done.

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

As if the opposition wouldn’t have immediately attacked him for fixing up his private residence especially since it’s the where he grew up. “Prince Trudeau thinks it’s his personal private property!!!  If it was good enough for past PMs it should be good enough for him!!! “  Don’t pretend otherwise  

Having to make tough decisions despite the certainty of opposition criticism is one of the requirements for holding high office. Running away from decisions because you're afraid the opposition will say something snippy is hardly the mark of bold leadership. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by I am Groot

[Nefarious Banana]

You're all missing the point . . . get free money from the Chinese government, hire illegal Chinese immigrant labourers to complete the job, furnish it in the timeless and classic Chinoiserie style . . . . . everybody happy!

[August1991]

24 Sussex? It is not like 10 Downing at all.

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24 Sussex is near a river. Some of us will do this differently.

 

 

 

 

[August1991]

We already have a residence for our Head of State.

Let's build a new residence for our Head of Government across the river - in Quebec. (IMHO).

And let's destroy, but rebuild this 24 Sussex as a place for our opposition government leader.

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I like the idea that it is easier for the Opposition Leader to get to Parliament - or cross the street to the GG.

Edited April 13, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

In a different life, I walked through Rideau Gate. (Even 24 Sussex, and around its swimming pool.)

To his credit and his wife Sophie, Trudeau Jnr are apparently living in Rideau Gate.

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Hillary Clinton accurately described the White House as a hotel with room service.

Edited April 13, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

Years ago, I recall meeting a politician near Stornaway. I have not been in the house  - but I saw it.

Large. Top of the hill.

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Where does the Australian federal Opposition leader live? 

Edited April 13, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

While PM, Duplessis lived in a suite in the Chateau Frontenac.

Bourassa Part I = Built a bunker, Helicopter pad

When Lévesque was PM, he lived in the old city. There`s a plaque.

Bourassa Part II - met the guy, quiet office in Montreal. Cute female secretary.   

Parizeau officialised a residence.

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I saw Parizeau once in person - in a conference. He spoke in English but occasionally said things in French.

This was around late 1980s.

He was like Reagan but smart - he described our western tax system. 

 

 

[ExFlyer]

On 4/11/2023 at 5:34 PM, Army Guy said:

This is just another example of the Liberals unable to get anything done, 40 million shit 200 million is a drop in the hat for this government. let's let the next government get the bad press for modernizing the PM residence or tearing it down...  or remaking it into a homeless shelter...anything let's just do something...

This is not a singular liberal problem. It has been a problem for the conservatives too.

The building has been deteriorating for decades and patchwork repairs are all that has been done.

Now, it sits vacant and has since Justin was elected. NCC is the failed agency that has let this very important heritage building decay.

Look at the decades it is going to take to repair and upgrade the parliament buildings. It is long past the time to bring the Canadian Prime Ministers residence up to it's historical significance.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Look at the decades it is going to take to repair and upgrade the parliament buildings. It is long past the time to bring the Canadian Prime Ministers residence up to it's historical significance.

It has no historical significance. Bring in some bulldozers and push it off the edge of the cliff.

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

It has no historical significance. Bring in some bulldozers and push it off the edge of the cliff.

Oh? No historical significance?

https://hpoc.ca/blogs/gorffwysfa-the-origins-of-24-sussex-drive-the-prime-ministers-official-residence/gorffwysfa-the-origins-of-24-sussex-the-prime-ministers-official-residence

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/24-sussex-drive

 

[taxme]

On 4/11/2023 at 9:24 AM, BeaverFever said:

The state of 24 Sussex Drive is an increasingly absurd embarrassment

John Ibbitson

The prime minister’s official residence is in desperate straits. The house is uninhabitable: filled with asbestos, mould and dead rodents.

Successive prime ministers, fearing they would be accused of extravagance, refused to authorize needed repairs. Stephen Harper would not permit renovations when he was in office, because he didn’t want to be seen asking the taxpayer to finance lavish accommodations.

In 2015, with the house becoming unsafe, Justin Trudeau moved his family into Rideau Cottage on the grounds of Government House. But he also refused to authorize renovations to the house where he grew up.

Canadians should be proud of their national capital, and their democratic system of government. One of the symbols of that democracy is the residence of the prime minister. Letting the official residence decay does not speak well of us – the prime minister needs a proper place to live and to carry out their duties.

The National Capital Commission reports that it is about to undertake abatement procedures that are necessary regardless of what happens to the building, such as removing the asbestos and dead rodents. (Yes, yuck.)

After that, the NCC should be told to either carry on and demolish the house, or to carry on and fix it. Either way, it’s time to decide.

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Regardless, it’s going to cost $40-million, give or take, and the longer the government waits, the higher the cost will be.

Everyone knows what needs to be done. The Prime Minister needs to appoint a panel of apolitical specialists to examine options and come up a recommended solution. Perhaps former governor-general David Johnston could – just kidding!

To further protect against accusations of conflict of interest, all political parties could agree that no prime minister will inhabit any new or refurbished residence for 10 years. It will take at least that long to decide and execute a plan.

…There are any number of possibilities. But what matters is ending the inertia. Let’s get this done.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-24-sussex-drive-prime-minister/?login=true

With the billions of taxpayer's tax dollars being blown every year by the dictator in Ottawa, they could have built five brand new parliaments buildings. Money is not the problem. The dictator in Ottawa is the problem. That Marxist arse needs to go now. The Marxist buffoon has done not a thing to try and make Canada great again. But he has tried to destroy Canada over and over again and so far as done a bloody good job doing so. 

There is a spending problem in Canada. It's called liberalism and socialism. There are way too many of our stupid and stunned politicians that truly do think that money does grow on trees. But if they took the time to look out there parliament windows they will only see trees with empty branches with nothing on them. 

Sadly, Canada does not have real and true conservative leaders anymore. Canada only has liberals and socialists as followers in Canada. They would prefer to listen to special communist like interest groups or globalists rather than listen to a conservative interest group that believes in more freedom, less government, and less taxes. Liberalism and socialism stinks. ?

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

With the billions of taxpayer's tax dollars being blown every year by the dictator in Ottawa, they could have built five brand new parliaments buildings. Money is not the problem. The dictator in Ottawa is the problem. That Marxist arse needs to go now. The Marxist buffoon has done not a thing to try and make Canada great again. But he has tried to destroy Canada over and over again and so far as done a bloody good job doing so. 

There is a spending problem in Canada. It's called liberalism and socialism. There are way too many of our stupid and stunned politicians that truly do think that money does grow on trees. But if they took the time to look out there parliament windows they will only see trees with empty branches with nothing on them. 

Sadly, Canada does not have real and true conservative leaders anymore. Canada only has liberals and socialists as followers in Canada. They would prefer to listen to special communist like interest groups or globalists rather than listen to a conservative interest group that believes in more freedom, less government, and less taxes. Liberalism and socialism stinks. ?

You have no idea what the words liberal, socialist or Marxist even mean, as proven by the fact that you use them interchangeably. 

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

This is not a singular liberal problem. It has been a problem for the conservatives too.

The building has been deteriorating for decades and patchwork repairs are all that has been done.

Now, it sits vacant and has since Justin was elected. NCC is the failed agency that has let this very important heritage building decay.

Look at the decades it is going to take to repair and upgrade the parliament buildings. It is long past the time to bring the Canadian Prime Ministers residence up to it's historical significance.

After 8 years in power it is a liberal problem...NCC may be a failed agency, the question should be do they out rank the PM in regards to power base, could the PM just order them to get on with the project, or have the department head replaced with someone that can get on with it...

Perhaps it is time to just pass on the existing PM home, build something else, convert the existing building into something else.  

[ExFlyer]

38 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

After 8 years in power it is a liberal problem...NCC may be a failed agency, the question should be do they out rank the PM in regards to power base, could the PM just order them to get on with the project, or have the department head replaced with someone that can get on with it...

Perhaps it is time to just pass on the existing PM home, build something else, convert the existing building into something else.  

Lots of blame to go around. 15 years of Harper and things did not improve at the residence either. Trudeau just was the one that decided it was so bad he would not even move in.

NCC seems to be, from what I read and hear here, an agency that does what it wants. 24 Sussex is not the only building in the capital that is is disrepair.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Lots of blame to go around. 15 years of Harper and things did not improve at the residence either. Trudeau just was the one that decided it was so bad he would not even move in.

10 years of harper.  Not that it changes your point really

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh? No historical significance?

https://hpoc.ca/blogs/gorffwysfa-the-origins-of-24-sussex-drive-the-prime-ministers-official-residence/gorffwysfa-the-origins-of-24-sussex-the-prime-ministers-official-residence

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/24-sussex-drive

 

It's only been an official residence since 1951. And it's not like the white house or 10 Downing Street in that those are also office buildings and sites of all kinds of official meetings. 

Prior to that it was a not very well-constructed and not at all unique home for a rich lumber baron. So what? I'm not spending ten years and a hundred million dollars to preserve that.

Edited April 14, 2023 by I am Groot

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It's only been an official residence since 1951. And it's not like the white house or 10 Downing Street in that those are also office buildings and sites of all kinds of official meetings. 

Prior to that it was a not very well-constructed and not at all unique home for a rich lumber baron. So what? I'm not spending ten years and a hundred million dollars to preserve that.

Being official residence is only one aspect of historical buildings. We have lots of historical buildings and structures in Canada that were not official residences.

Yes, it is and can be like the White House or 10 Downing.

Not many 200 year old buildings meet today building codes yet we keep repairing and renovating them.

Of all the historical designated buildings in Canada, with exception of Parliament itself, I would suggest this one has the most significance.

https://www.historicplaces.ca/en/pages/standards-normes.aspx

[I am Groot]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

Not many 200 year old buildings meet today building codes yet we keep repairing and renovating them.

Of all the historical designated buildings in Canada, with exception of Parliament itself, I would suggest this one has the most significance.

If we renovate it we'll basically have to disassemble it, and then replace 90% of what's in it. Basically, all you're going to preserve is the facade. 

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

If we renovate it we'll basically have to disassemble it, and then replace 90% of what's in it. Basically, all you're going to preserve is the facade. 

Yup. if you want to get it up to code and be something to be proud of, yes, it will be a big job .

There are over 13,000 historic places in Canada we already take care of.

https://www.historicplaces.ca/en/home-accueil.aspx

 

In the National Capital area alone, there are 1300 buildings. (website will not load)

That does not include the Provincially designated ones.

Point is, 24 Sussex is a drop in the bucket of the heritage building expense sheet.

[Army Guy]

On 4/13/2023 at 8:23 PM, ExFlyer said:

Lots of blame to go around. 15 years of Harper and things did not improve at the residence either. Trudeau just was the one that decided it was so bad he would not even move in.

NCC seems to be, from what I read and hear here, an agency that does what it wants. 24 Sussex is not the only building in the capital that is is disrepair.

Why is it that when the liberals are to blame , we have to bring up Harpers name.... Harper did live there, and some thing should have been done if he was unhappy with the home, what was done exactly  is unknown....That being said Justin is in power NOW, and has been for the last 8 years...Hard to pin this on the last administration. 

It could can do what ever it wants, but if it works for the Canadian Government, the PM can tell it what to do and when to do it....I think that is how the chain of command works...atleast it does every where else...and while it is not the only government building in Ottawa it is the PM home and should carry some weight, or atleast the PM should have some weight behind it, i may not like the guy but if someone phone my office i would have made it my priority  and if it does not then there is another issue like personal issues that need to get fixed. . 

[ExFlyer]

20 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Why is it that when the liberals are to blame , we have to bring up Harpers name.... Harper did live there, and some thing should have been done if he was unhappy with the home, what was done exactly  is unknown....That being said Justin is in power NOW, and has been for the last 8 years...Hard to pin this on the last administration. 

It could can do what ever it wants, but if it works for the Canadian Government, the PM can tell it what to do and when to do it....I think that is how the chain of command works...atleast it does every where else...and while it is not the only government building in Ottawa it is the PM home and should carry some weight, or atleast the PM should have some weight behind it, i may not like the guy but if someone phone my office i would have made it my priority  and if it does not then there is another issue like personal issues that need to get fixed. . 

The point was to demonstrate that the decay of the building had been going on for decades.

Blaming one PM, who by the way, would not even move his family in because the NCC discovered too much mould and vermin infestation.

Also, the PM is not in control of the building, it belongs, in its entirety to the NCC. They make the decisions on repair and restoration and refurbishment.

Don't be so naive, the PM cannot tell an agency to do what he wants done so he can live in a nicer place. Can you imagine the shitstorm from folk like you if he did LOL

The fact of the matter is, the building was condemned by NCC. In the past, every time there needed to be repairs, it was a national outrage about how much it cost. The NCC has neglected it now to the point something must be done and it can take many years to get it done, no matter is in power.

Maybe you can convince PP to start lobbying for repairs so he and his family can move in  ?

Edited April 15, 2023 by ExFlyer