Male Circumcision

[August1991]

It is hard for me to understand that this is any other than genital mutilation.

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In most languages/cultures, the most rules concern food: How and what we eat.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

It is hard for me to understand that this is any other than genital mutilation.

The penis is still functional afterwards.

In fact you reduce the chances of some STD, the penis is easier to clean and several other benefits.

This is a far cry for the mutilation girls undergo in some developing countries where functional parts are severed from the body, in incredibly primitive ways which along with losing function can introduce infection and other issues.

Circumcision is a choice, and I don't understand how its mutilation.

You do understand the definition of mutilation, correct?

[August1991]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

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Circumcision is a choice, and I don't understand how its mutilation.

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Choice?

As I say, most taboos concern food. Then, sex. (Even the word taboo is curious.) 

[August1991]

The most traditional meal of the day is breakfast.

We can try different food in the evening - but we all find a breakfast abroad difficult.

Around the world, people talk about food. And they have numerous rules about eating. 

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I have generally found that illiterate people are not shy about sexual questions. They discuss them freely. Educated people are shy - but just as curious.  The rules on the matter are endless.

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Think of our cultural rules for eating food and our complex discussions before touching one another.

Then, watch pigeons.

 

[Guest]

Whether the word mutilation applies is open to debate.  It's certainly not comparable to FGM, but it is the removal of a body part without permission and without a medical reason it should not be done.

Until the boy is of age.  Then he can make his own choice.

Edited April 8, 2023 by bcsapper

[August1991]

On 4/8/2023 at 10:36 AM, bcsapper said:

Whether the word mutilation applies is open to debate.  It's certainly not comparable to FGM, but it is the removal of a body part without permission and without a medical reason it should not be done.

Until the boy is of age.  Then he can make his own choice.

According to Google, FGM is female genetical mutilation.

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I am still intrigued why food and sex have the most weird rules.

Europeans love cheese. Asians hate it.

Asians have numerous types of rice. Europeans have numerous types of bread

Europeans eat with forks, Asians with sticks - and Africans with their fingers.

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There are three broad ways to prepare food: fork and knife (French), chopsticks (Chinese), finger (Indian). 

Edited April 10, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

Let me add:

French food is based on various sauces. It is a culture of wealth. Each European cuts the food with a knife.

In Indian food, the sauce (curry) is personal. The food is cut. Indians are poor. They  eat with their hands.

Chinese food is based on extreme poverty. Everything is used. Nothing is wasted. They eat with sticks.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Chinese food is based on extreme poverty. Everything is used. Nothing is wasted. They eat with sticks.

What about Japan?

Chopsticks were invented based on practicality. I use them, myself. 

Chinese culture, or understanding it, is understanding how deeply ingenious that they are in that society. 

[August1991]

On 4/10/2023 at 4:02 AM, Perspektiv said:

What about Japan?

I was once in Japan. One feature of Japan struck me:

The Japanese put money on a tray. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by August1991

[CdnFox]

You sure we shouldn't make this thread about recreational drugs?  I feel like it should be about recreational drugs...

[August1991]

The Japanese, they don't touch money.

We European males - even females - touch/shake right-hands.

In Arabia, the left-hand is a curse.

  

Edited June 24, 2023 by August1991

[Guest]

How is circumcision mutilation? You have yet to put forth a case that makes it a viable description. 

Are you basing this on the definition of the word (which would be incorrect regarding mutilation), or emotionally? 

Removing a female clitoris, is mutilation. Some would even agree indoctrination kids to modifying their bodies in droves, under false pretense they were born in the wrong bodies as they happen to not be gender conforming and don't fit in.

Again. How is a surgery that doesn't fully remove any function of the male penis, have it considered as mutilation?

[herbie]

On 4/8/2023 at 7:36 AM, bcsapper said:

Until the boy is of age.  Then he can make his own choice.

Yes, wait until he's old enough to appreciate the pain and choose not too. /s

FFS on the off chance you ever meet someone who regrets being circumcised please tell is all about it.
Otherwise it's a religious, a family and a health decision for families and doctors to make. No worse than piercing your daughter's ears when she's little.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yes, wait until he's old enough to appreciate the pain and choose not too. /s

FFS on the off chance you ever meet someone who regrets being circumcised please tell is all about it.
Otherwise it's a religious, a family and a health decision for families and doctors to make. No worse than piercing your daughter's ears when she's little.

Hahaha,  I guess you're circumcised.

Religion can go fück itself.  Family too.  Health reasons, fair enough.

I'm sure glad I was born in a country where people can wash.

[herbie]

9 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

'm sure glad I was born in a country where people can wash.

90% of the reasons people used to do it. Resistance to STDs was only noted recently so I can't say if that's a factor for it now.
More like my 1st wife's aversion to 'dog cocks' or both our parent's common remarks about 'uncut heathens'. Like I said, like piercing your daughter's ears not some ridiculous fear mongering 'genital mutilation'.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

90% of the reasons people used to do it. Resistance to STDs was only noted recently so I can't say if that's a factor for it now.
More like my 1st wife's aversion to 'dog cocks' or both our parent's common remarks about 'uncut heathens'. Like I said, like piercing your daughter's ears not some ridiculous fear mongering 'genital mutilation'.

Parents religious were they?  Didn't like heathens?

They actually considered the heathen's genital structure?

Well, it's not like religious bigotry is a rare thing.

 

[herbie]

HA! aside from Dad liking fish & chips on Friday (one way to escape Mom's cooking)..

quit trying to pigeon-hole the reason people do it. There just isn't one.

Edited June 25, 2023 by herbie

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Parents religious were they?  Didn't like heathens?

They actually considered the heathen's genital structure?

Well, it's not like religious bigotry is a rare thing.

 

LOL -  you don't need me to tell you you're reaching a little right? 

Here's the thing - lots of people think young girls shouldn't get their ears pierced. They think it's wrong.  Well that's fine, don't let your children do it then. Others think it's fine for whatever reasons.

But it's not mutilation. And we can talk about whether young girls should be getting into fashion or not but they're not getting mutilated.

There's pros and cons to circumcision. But it's not mutilation. It doesn't injure or mar or disable or any of those things that would be 'mutilation'. 

It's up to parents to make the best call they can for their kids and unless it's your kid don't worry about it. 

You're thinking way too much about other people's penises.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You're thinking way too much about other people's penises.

I'm not the one who thinks it's ok to cut bits off them.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I'm not the one who thinks it's ok to cut bits off them.

Fair point.

But i would argue that just means two things can be true at once. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Fair point.

But i would argue that just means two things can be true at once. 

What it means is that you're argument is

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You're thinking way too much about other people's penises.

My view is that it should be a personal choice, made when a boy is old enough to make the choice.

Now we can see who thinks way too much about other people's penises.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

What it means is that you're argument is

My view is that it should be a personal choice, made when a boy is old enough to make the choice.

Now we can see who thinks way too much about other people's penises.

You mean the parents?  I'm pretty sure they think quite a bit about ALL their children's body parts as they grow.  But they don't think about OTHER people's parts    Well - not beyond the usual sexual connotation of course.

[August1991]

On 6/24/2023 at 1:48 PM, Perspektiv said:

How is circumcision mutilation? You have yet to put forth a case that makes it a viable description. 

Are you basing this on the definition of the word (which would be incorrect regarding mutilation), or emotionally? 

Removing a female clitoris, is mutilation. Some would even agree indoctrination kids to modifying their bodies in droves, under false pretense they were born in the wrong bodies as they happen to not be gender conforming and don't fit in.

Again. How is a surgery that doesn't fully remove any function of the male penis, have it considered as mutilation?

Circumcision is mutilation. For no reason, except signal.

Like tattoos Or cuttings.

 

[Boges]

Hygiene is an excellent reason for male circumcision. 

Cleaning the genitals is made much easier when circumcised. 

The $300 it cost is worth not having to teach my son a skill I never learned, because I was also circumcised. 

There's almost zero drawback to the procedure done at the newborn stage. 

[Boges]

On 4/8/2023 at 10:36 AM, bcsapper said:

Whether the word mutilation applies is open to debate.  It's certainly not comparable to FGM, but it is the removal of a body part without permission and without a medical reason it should not be done.

Until the boy is of age.  Then he can make his own choice.

There are medical benefits to circumcision. 

Having it done at the newborn phase is the safest period to do it.