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Just another example of how the liberals have eroded our trust in our government, one that can not for some reason tell Canadians the truth... everything out of their mouths end up being lies...and more lies to cover up the original lies... 

Experts have said that carbon taxes will not work ever, today they still have not worked very well... why is it the the US has managed to meet their targets, with NO CARBON TAXES...and we can barely scratch the surface.. with carbon taxes ?... And why is it all the climate change believers are not up in arms or protesting this miserable attempt to meet targets we signed on to... more like ya "we believe in climate change", sort of , we but we don't want to do any of the work or pay for any of it... or they don't really care and they are just going through the motions.  What is it that motivates Canadians, not much it looks like...well except money...And what are you going to do when PP shit cans the whole thing, except whine, and cry about the climate, and how the Conservatives are not doing anything about it...  

GOLDSTEIN: Trudeau budget exposes another carbon tax failure (msn.com)

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51 minutes ago, herbie said:

Have you turned the heat down? Started driving less? Converted to LEDs in the house? Switched to a heat pump?

No? Then stop claiming others are lying and realize you're just a slow learner.

You love the whole Papist idea that if one suffers and pays money for indulgences, he will be forgiven for his sins and everything will be just fine.  Maybe make a little whip, take your shirt off like some Filipino men do, and whip your back for a while once a day.  Might help slow climate change.. who knows eh.

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Beginning to wonder if Trudeau's carbon tax comes from his learning in a Jesuit-founded college.  Could it be part of the Jesuit Spiritual Exercises or Mother Teresa's type of thinking that the more one suffers and pays money, the more forgiveness one will receive for his sins.  I think that was a very fundamental teaching all through the centuries by Rome.  Perhaps they think the more carbon taxes the people are forced to pay, the greater the chances of God slowing climate change?  The more the people suffer in some way the better for them, which always has been a centre of Romanist thinking.  They believe people will be rewarded someday for their suffering.

But like the more hypocritical and immoral clergy who preached to the people to make the sacrifices and give their money to the church, while they lived in comfort and security, Trudeau preaches to fight climate change while he flies around the country and world constantly in his jet.

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17 hours ago, herbie said:

Have you turned the heat down? Started driving less? Converted to LEDs in the house? Switched to a heat pump?

No? Then stop claiming others are lying and realize you're just a slow learner.

Nobody has actually. They've done a ton of studies on this.

That is the problem with the carbon tax model. It SOUNDS like a great idea - remember the conservatives were the first to get behind it originally and that's because the economic modelling looked great.

But - it turns out that energy consumption is far less "elastic" than was previously thought. People already had the heat down, they're not willing to freeze. People still need ot get to work and pick up the kids so there's not much driving they can avoid. People already switched to LED's, electricity was high before the tax.  And low energy furnaces and heat pumps are all you can buy now.

So - people just ARE NOT able to choose to radically reduce their use of energy. Estimates in british columbia where they had it the longest show that it may have SLOWED GROWTH of carbon use by 5-15 percent - but there's been no reduction.  Like - at all.

We've been doing this for over a decade now and the data is clear.  So... who was the slow learner again?

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If you've noticed your paying more with carbon taxes, you're 'getting the picture'.

If you think it's more effective to whine so loud about it the whole society changes for you than adjust yourself to fit in, grow up, you're not 14 anymore.

And if you're one of those who actually believes 3c extra tax justifies a litre of gas go up 25c then just keep voting Conservative, fool. It mysteriously went up a nickel here the day before they had the tax increase. I'll be gassing up today to see just how much extra Big Oil ripped everyone for.

 

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"B.C.’s carbon tax puts a price on carbon pollution, providing a signal across the economy to reduce emissions while encouraging sustainable economic activity and investment in low-carbon innovation."

Calling carbon dioxide pollution is the biggest lie and fraud in history.  CO2 is a natural part of the earth and atmosphere.  Man cannot control the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere because man's contribution is only about 3% of the total CO2.  CO2 is a trace gas in the atmosphere to begin with and the chance that changes in that affecting climate change is unproven.  There are other causes of climate change like water vapour in the atmosphere and changing radiation from the sun and space.

The amount of fossil CO2 all of Canada contributes is miniscule.  Most of that 3% of CO2 comes from the rest of the world and big emitters like China, Russia, India, and the U.S.  Canada has a relatively small population.  Since fossil fuels are used for practically everything, the use of fossil fuels cannot be reduced significantly.  Hence the amount of manmade CO2 cannot be reduced in any significant amount. 

Secondly, there is absolutely no proof man is the cause of climate change.  97% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is natural carbon dioxide and it still is only a trace gas.

Carbon taxes do not reduce the amount of CO2 emissions.  People must still drive to work, take their kids to school and other activities, travel to stores and appointments.  So why punish people with so-called carbon taxes.  If anything is barbaric, carbon taxes are it.  The PM preaches net zero and climate change while he jets around the world emitting CO2.

 

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The BC government says "All provinces and territories must maintain a carbon price of at least $50 per tCO2e. As of 2019, over 70 jurisdictions, representing about 20% of global GHG emissions, have put a price on carbon."

If the other countries that have no price on emissions represent 80% of emissions, what is the point of punishing Canadians with carbon taxes.  The great majority of the world pays no carbon taxes but we are being punished.  Since taxes do nothing to stop emissions, at least be honest and quit calling it a carbon tax to save the planet.

The truth is carbon taxes are a Marxist wealth redistribution scheme, nothing else.

"The credit helps offset the impact of the carbon taxes paid by low- and moderate-income individuals and families and is issued four times a year through the Canada Revenue Agency."  - BC Government website

Many Canadians have bought into Socialist or Marxist ideology and think somehow they will be better off.  Studies have found the majority of Canadians are poorer because of carbon taxes.  But the truth is the federal government has grown in size by 25% since Trudeau was first elected in 2015.  Plus Trudeau and Liberals have spent Canada into billions of dollars of debt with no way in sight of getting out of it.  While he jets around the world, stays in $6000 a night hotels in London, and takes taxpayer funded vacations for well over $10,000, we must pay for it.  We must pay the interest on debt which means less money for services and more taxes.  More government services means more expensive bureaucracy and more taxes and more inflation.  More inflation and taxes means a lower standard of living for Canadians.  There is no free lunch.  Canadians are the one's paying for it all while politicians continue to get raises, paid expenses, and big salaries.

 

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44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"Secondly, there is absolutely no proof man is the cause of climate change.  97% of the atmosphere is natural carbon dioxide.  

 

Methinks you are a little off there.....

By volume, the dry air in Earth's atmosphere is about 78.08 percent nitrogen, 20.95 percent oxygen, and 0.93 percent argon. A brew of trace gases accounts for the other approximately 0.04 percent, including the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and ozone.Oct 9, 2019

 

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2 hours ago, herbie said:

If you've noticed your paying more with carbon taxes, you're 'getting the picture'.

If i'm paying more with carbon taxes but i can't lower my carbon foot print further - then the picture is of a clown presumably.

2 hours ago, herbie said:

If you think it's more effective to whine so loud about it the whole society changes for you than adjust yourself to fit in, grow up, you're not 14 anymore.

You can buy a good book about how english works at most book stores. Look into that.

In the meantime, what society has learned is that society can't adjust for it. So it doesn't work. It does zero for the environment at all. It just puts tax dollars in the pockets of the liberals to waste.

2 hours ago, herbie said:

And if you're one of those who actually believes 3c extra tax justifies a litre of gas go up 25c then just keep voting Conservative, fool. It mysteriously went up a nickel here the day before they had the tax increase. I'll be gassing up today to see just how much extra Big Oil ripped everyone for.

Well the problem is that it's not just a carbon tax on the fuel - it's also on the trucks to get the fuel to the station, the activites of the companies to mine the fuel, etc.

You see - MOST taxes are not paid until the end consumer.  For example GST is not paid by businesses when they buy a product to sell later - they get all that money back. So the GST does not add to the expense of PROVIDING the goods or service, it's just a tax ON the good or service.

BUT - CARBON tax doesn't work that way. Every step of the way the cost of carbon tax is paid by the company producing or transporting the goods - so it has to be 'marked up' along wiht other expenses like labour and such.

I believe last time it was worked out that '3 cents' on gas you mentioned actually costs about 11 - 15 cents in real price increases at the pump. Oh - and then we charge gst on that as well.

The carbon tax is somewhat unique that way - the actual cost of it is hidden. The part YOU pay is literally the tip of the iceberg - most of the cost is buried in the pricetag and you don't get to see it.

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1 hour ago, Legato said:

Methinks you are a little off there.....

By volume, the dry air in Earth's atmosphere is about 78.08 percent nitrogen, 20.95 percent oxygen, and 0.93 percent argon. A brew of trace gases accounts for the other approximately 0.04 percent, including the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and ozone.Oct 9, 2019

 

Yes I didn't word that correctly.  You are correct.  So carbon dioxide is part of that 0.04 percent of the atmosphere.  What I meant was the percent of the carbon dioxide that man contributes is only 3% of the total carbon dioxide or 3% of 0.04 percent which is an extremely small amount.  Let me calculate that.  That means man contributes 3% of the CO2 or 0.012 percent of all the gases in the atmosphere.  I find it hard to believe that man's contribution affects the climate in any way.  The amount man contributes is so incredibly miniscule I doubt man can make any difference not matter what he does.

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I like the idea of freedom of expression.  Can't understand people that try to silence other people from speaking about whatever subject they wish.  Such people often feel free to scold others and pontificate on whatever they feel like, but want to silence others because they don't like the subject.  Not great defenders of freedom of expression except for themselves.

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14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I like the idea of freedom of expression.  Can't understand people that try to silence other people from speaking about whatever subject they wish.  Such people often feel free to scold others and pontificate on whatever they feel like, but want to silence others because they don't like the subject.  Not great defenders of freedom of expression except for themselves.

Freedom of expression is great. What I don't get is utter losers who make retarded statements about their imaginary friends 24 hours a day and claim it's their right under freedom of expression, and then crybaby about people using THEIR freedom of expression to comment on this asinine behavior.

Any thoughts on those people? They kind of sound confused and hypocritical don't they.

One. Thread.  Just try.

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19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Freedom of expression is great. What I don't get is utter losers who make retarded statements about their imaginary friends 24 hours a day and claim it's their right under freedom of expression, and then crybaby about people using THEIR freedom of expression to comment on this asinine behavior.

Any thoughts on those people? They kind of sound confused and hypocritical don't they.

One. Thread.  Just try.

If you don't like hearing about "imaginary friends", just ignore the comments I make.  Don't even read them.  Simple.  Not difficult at all.

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you don't like hearing about "imaginary friends", just ignore the comments I make.  Don't even read them.  Simple.  Not difficult at all.

Your post above highlights your selfishness concerning this thread and every other thread you post your religious views on.  Other participants aren't posting unrelated subjects on this thread . . . . just you.

Again, there's a 'Religion & Politics'  forum provided  . . . . please consider using it.

 

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4 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Your post above highlights your selfishness concerning this thread and every other thread you post your religious views on.  Other participants aren't posting unrelated subjects on this thread . . . . just you.

Again, there's a 'Religion & Politics'  forum provided  . . . . please consider using it.

 

I think I've told you before, I see the spiritual as directly connected with world affairs and politics and in my mind are not separate.  Therefore I speak from a spiritual (or what you would call religious) viewpoint because that is the way I see things.  Sorry if it bothers you, but I believe a forum in a free society is open to all points of view even ones that are unusual and spiritual.  You are free to ignore anything I say.

Political events and politicians are driven by their own spiritual or religions convictions of one sort or another or an atheist or secular humanist worldview that I sometimes comment on and express my own views or biblical views that I think are important.

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16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your post above highlights your selfishness

Every individual in the world has a bias of one kind or another depending on their background and beliefs.  Because Romanists are in the majority, they don't need to defend Romanism because it is what rules government and society in general.  So they want to silence anyone who holds Biblical views because they know deep down that is opposed to and a threat to their secular humanist/Romanist views.  Some of them don't really believe in freedom of expression for people that hold a world view contrary to their own, i.e. Biblical beliefs are contrary to their liberal / Romanist worldview.  Hence Bible believers have no right to speak.  But many of the liberal/Romanist folks don't even realize that is why they are biased against Bible believers;  they just believe they should not have to listen to them.  I heard a man in a coffee shop say Jehovah Witnesses should be shot for coming to the door.  I know he was just using hyperbole or exaggeration but he was very intolerant.  I never went back.  Who needs that.

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